120 mins + 1 cd + DVD RES!!!!!!!

[baker]

The source must be clean and clear for this templet to work.

BAker

[kwag]

I previously posted that a DVD-R's max time would be no more than 4 hours at half D1 MPEG-2 ( 352x480 ). We'll I was wrong!. About 5 hours can be encoded in a DVD-R at full D1 DVD quality 720x480.
Here's the article, posted earlier today.
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1652#1652

kwag

[vhelp]

oh, Kwag, while I got you hear. . .
(my mail chime went off)


That sample clip you provided me with via one of your Hcard, quality'ise
I thought was pretty good quality. However, it kept studdering during
play in both WinDVD and PowerDVD. I will have to burn it and let you
know if it produces the same results on my DVD player, but I don't think
it will play due to the high bitrate you put it in. Again, quality was pretty
good for that Hcard!!

be right back!

-vhelp

[kwag]

@vhelp
Do you mean the Pinnacle Bungee sample?

kwag

[vhelp]

kwag,

Yes, I was refering to your bungee!!

shucks, ...

APEX AD-1500
* quality was very good
* blastid studders, problably due to AD-1500's 4000 max. bitrate.

but, I can't see why it did the same thing in software players though
But, then again, I don't play on PC for viewing. So, I guess it really
doesn't matter in that respect!

But, still, it was a good sample. ...now you'll have to do one from
a VHS. So many people asking about VHS backups these days.
I was tempted to answer some, but gave up cause there are too
many disatisified users and I don't want to become a
spoon-feeder - - know what I mean? ...w/out being too harsh
sounding. syie!!

-vhelp

[chandran123]

Hi Kwag,

I tried to convert Snow Dogs DVD (99 Mins) into a single CD (KVCD) using the 352x480 NTSC template. The .mpg file was 900+ mb. Did I miss something ?

Chandran

[adam]

The KVCD uses CQ mode. The bitrate allocation is unpredictable and is entirely dependant on the source so you may have to encode it a second or even third time to get the desired filesize. Just lower the CQ value and encode it again and see if it fits.

Or you could use 2-pass vbr instead and use a bitrate calculator to determine the exact bitrate to use to fit it on 1 cd. This method takes twice as long to encode but you only have to encode it once. Also this method will ensure that your movie will completely fill the cd thus maximizing your bitrate, something which is nearly impossible with CQ mode unless your willing to re-encode your file many many times.

[kwag]

Hi Kwag,

I tried to convert Snow Dogs DVD (99 Mins) into a single CD (KVCD) using the 352x480 NTSC template. The .mpg file was 900+ mb. Did I miss something ?

Chandran

If it's a full screen movie, the average size you can put in a 80 minute CD is about 90 minutes. 120 minutes is for wide screen movies. Like "The Matrix", even that it's about 2H 15Minutes, it fits complete with end credits in a single CD-R.

kwag

[JackDudd]

Hi,

I got a few questions. I got Rush Hour 2 here and it's: 576x240@23,976fps. It this PAL or NTSC and how do I encoded so that 4:3 TV's can also play it correctly?? When I encode it to 352x480 I can add black area's with Tmpgenc, but how much exactly?? (top & bottom)

Another thing: When I encode it to 25fps or 29,9...fps will the sound go out of sync??

[cybermage26]

@Baker..

How are you going with the CCE tests? I like to use CCE over TMPG cause of the speed, my comp is pretty slow. Takes ages to use TMPG ...

Anyway can I get some directions / results of what you are doing?

[baker]

right kwag...

Why is the min bitrate for dvd 2000 then?

I will have to put the max up to 2500 to work on a cd-r but this should be okay as i think the max needed for the kvcd q. matrix is 2300 anyhow so I should be alright.

Also will I fit a dvd compliant movie to 2 cd-rs?

Baker

[baker]

@Baker..

How are you going with the CCE tests? I like to use CCE over TMPG cause of the speed, my comp is pretty slow. Takes ages to use TMPG ...

I am still waiting for someone to give me the q. matirx to use but if I do get it then it will bring the ides of fitting many movies to a dvd-r to a whole new level.

Kwag,
I know you haven't had much experience with cce but thrust me at low bitrates its amazing. I get 60 mins of 480x576 video to a cd-r with no blocks. If I could put your q. matrix into cce and set the min bitrate at 500 the max at 2500 and the average at 600 the quailty and file size will be amazing.

I got a few questions. I got Rush Hour 2 here and it's: 576x240@23,976fps. It this PAL or NTSC and how do I encoded so that 4:3 TV's can also play it correctly?? When I encode it to 352x480 I can add black area's with Tmpgenc, but how much exactly?? (top & bottom)

Another thing: When I encode it to 25fps or 29,9...fps will the sound go out of sync??

Just add black borders to the bottom and I havent had much experience with framrates so sorry.

480-240=240 240/2=120 so put 120 pixels of blck at the top and bottom.

Baker

[kwag]

@baker:

You can use the Q.matrix in CCE, but you can't use the GOP, because CCE won't let you change it the way TMPEG does.
So there's a file size reduction with TMPEG that's impossible to accomplish with CCE.

kwag

[baker]

yes but still I could lower the bitrate even more to compensate fot this.
Can you plz post the q. matrix in text format?

Baker

[kwag]

You can see the Q.matrix right in the template in text format!. Just do a cut+paste, and take it to notepad.

kwag

[baker]

ok kwag now you can laugh at me cause I can't do it.

Yes I knew how to put the mcf file into notepad and look at it, I do it when I new templet of yours comes out. But the thing is there is As and all sorts of other things in thre. so do you know where I can find it?

Baker

[kwag]

ok kwag now you can laugh at me cause I can't do it.

Yes I knew how to put the mcf file into notepad and look at it, I do it when I new templet of yours comes out. But the thing is there is As and all sorts of other things in thre. so do you know where I can find it?

Baker

MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
080D0F131317171D0D0D111316171B1D0F111316171B1D2311 1516171B1D2325
1515171B1F21252E15191B1F21252E3A19191F212528364519 1F21252836454E}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
080B0D0F0F1313180B0B0F0F131518190D0F1113151819220D 111315171A2263
111315171A2063631115171A2063636316161C1E6363636316 1C1E6363636363}

[baker]

yes kwag I have got that far but the patcher program wants it in numbers format if you know what I mean.

eg:
8 16 16 21 21....

like that see?

thanks for all this help and sorry for being a dumbass.

Baker

[vhelp]

afternoon baker,

You can't have some cake and eat it at the same, sometimes...
Sometimes you gotta work a little for it.

The best anyone case offer right now, is to write those numbers down,
or capture the screen to clipboard, and past into something like, wordpad.
and view it from their, while you INPUT by hand, those numbers.
Come on, where's your imagination?

-vhelp

[malducci]

Baker,

The values listed in the post by Kwag is in hex. You can use a hex workshop 3.x or just use the windows calculator to convert hex into decimal.


MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
080D0F131317171D0D0D111316171B1D0F111316171B1D2311 1516171B1D2325
1515171B1F21252E15191B1F21252E3A19191F212528364519 1F21252836454E}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
080B0D0F0F1313180B0B0F0F131518190D0F1113151819220D 111315171A2263
111315171A2063631115171A2063636316161C1E6363636316 1C1E6363636363}

The above would look like this:

08= 8
0D=13
0F=15
13=19
13=19 and so on.

Remember to set the calc program to "scientific" and that every two bytes(characters) are a single value.

Hope that helps.

[baker]

thanks a lot malducci,

I should have relised that those numbers where hex!

Anyway I aint going to bother with cce for 2 reasons:

1. quailty wise cce IS better than tmpegenc but timewise it aint worth it, cce will take longer to achive similar results. (with my templet anyhow)

2. Tmpegenc is catching up with cce in terms of quailty so why stick in the pst, go to the future tmpgenc!

Baker

[Plant_Guy]

Kwag and Baker,

You might find this amusing. I have a 'few' *cough* DVD's where the actors aren't wearing so many clothes , and they do not compress very well!?! The reason: 29.97fps, full screen, and rapidy moving closeups all over the place. Has anyone else noticed this?

TomG. - aka Plant_Guy

[baker]

Well you see mpeg is made up of I frames B fraems and p frames

Well I frames are full frames and b and p work out what should have been there.

Since there is loads of.. well... "motion" this dosn't work properly.

Baker

[wway]

Hmmmm,

No clothes and video tape (29.97)...must be a low budget ripoff of the Matrix...probably titled "Domi-Matrix".

Oh, by the way...can i have a copy?

wway

[baker]

Anybody ever seen shaven ryans privates?

Baker

[Plant_Guy]

No Baker, that sounds like a good one, but I have seen The Sperminator.

PS - I am trying Kwag's x2 template on it right now. The lower res. template created a 990MB file, and it looks great, but still has the soft quality typical of a VCD. Going to see how the higher res looks.

TomG. - aka Plant_Guy

[rendalunit]

hey Plant_Guy,

here's a good challenge: turn "Tera_Patrick- my plaything" dvd into a vcd! This movie is an "interactive" dvd (full of menus). I think there's a Jenna Jamison one too if you're not a Tera fan

[MoovyGuy]

Hey Kwag and all,

I got a couple of questions for ya on how to increase visual quality using your KDVD template.

The thread is here ....

http://forum.vcdhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=96356

Thanks

[homerpez]

Tried this, found out that this really IS a TMPGEnc-Only deal, and also that it ONLY works well under CQ-VBR mode...

For some reason, this template hates 2-Pass VBR, and CBR (if anyone actually uses that). Under CQ-VBR, though, this just makes MPEG movies look like DivX's. Sometimes that's good, other times, it's bad.

Overall, I don't know how useful this template really is in the long run... really can only use it for obscure DVD encoding, and then size really is no longer an issue... so the point of a file-saving DVD encode method is lost on me!

For VCD's, it would be good, the problem being the unpredictable file size.

For SVCD's, it would be good, but there's that unpredictable file size problem again... not to mention that CCE does MPEG-2 a LOT better!

I guess it was good for a test, good thought, but a very very narrow purpose...

[Plant_Guy]

I have no idea what to do with an interactive DVD I must say, however, that although these templates are good for making decent DVD copies, I will buy movies that I truly love. That being said, I also like using the templates for copying TV shows (which I erase after viewing). Also, my kids stuff is also backed up b/c they don't care about video quality, and they are very rough with the original DVD's. My kids think that you are supposed to chew on the disc before you insert it into the player (the baby does, anyway).

TomG. - aka Plant_Guy