Hello.
I hope you have patience with a bloke from the states who only occasionally has problems with English! I am about to purchase a DVD burner (in the next few days or weeks) to edit some precious family digital video. I've bought a Hewlett Packard Pavilion desktop with 500 meg RAM and a 1.8 Pentium 4 processor just for this purpose. Does anyone have an opinion - preferably somewhat informed - as to which of the following new DVD writers might be the best bet?
Sony DRU-120A (internal - would have to extract one of my CD frives)
Sony DRX-120L (external and not avalable until June)
HP DVD200XI (internal - replace a CD drive again)
HP ??? (external version of DVD200XI)
Both writes will be able to write DVD+RW and DVD+R discs.
I understand Sony's NeoDVD software is easiest to use, but that the HP products with Sonic MyDVD might possibly be a safer bet with my HP computer, and the HP software includes a Photo Slide Show creator that I could also use.
Thank you in advance ...
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Robert Allen Pierce
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Either a DVD-RW/-R drive or a DVD+RW/+R drive will do, but it seems you want the latter.
In that case you may have to wait a bit to get an external drive, or else you could buy an internal drive with a 3rd party Firewire enclosure. You'd also have to get a Firewire card for your computer. USB 2 is also an option, but currently USB 2 is a bit immature so I'd recommend Firewire over USB 2.
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Are you sure you want to go with the + format? I'm sure this will start a lengthy flamewar but be advised that the DVD Forum, the group responsible for licensing the DVD format, has issued a warning...
RW is not the DVD Format created and authorized by the DVD Forum. Likewise, although strikingly similar in appearance to the DVD-RW, there is no DVD Format called DVD+RW or +RW among the Formats created and authorized by the DVD Forum.
Those involved in the DVD should be advised that there is No DVD Logo to represent +RW or DVD+RW technology authorized by the DVD Forum or approved by DVD FLLC. There is No Verification Process for +RW or DVD+RW products authorized by the DVD Forum. There is No Verification Laboratory authorized by the DVD Forum to test +RW or DVD+RW products. There is No Test Specifications for +RW or DVD+RW products authorized by the DVD Forum and available at DVD FLLC.
Please also be advised, therefore, that DVD Format/Logo Licensing Corporation(DVD FLLC) is not in a position to accept and respond to any inquiry, questions nor offer a license regarding the +RW or DVD+RW technology. DVD FLLC does not represent, guarantee nor state the quality or appropriateness of the above-mentioned technology. Also, there is no guarantee for compatibility between the products employing the DVD Forum-approved Formats and the products employing the +RW or DVD+RW tecnology.
The Licensees of the DVD Format/Logo License should be reminded that the use of the DVD Logo is permitted solely in accordance with the DVD Format/Logo License Agreement.
Also note that the DVD Forum's "verification is required for DVD products marketed under the DVD Logo. The Verification process assures the consumers that products bearing the DVD Logo are better compliant with the Specifications contained in the applicable DVD Format Book(s)."
As you can see, there is no guarantee of the + format's future compatibility with "DVD Forum-approved formats" which is basically ALL DVD players. Interesting, no? -
How much do you want to pay for media and how compatible do you want it to be? If you want to pay $6 to $7 for media and have it play on 3 out of 5 set top players, anyone of the writers you listed is fine. If you want to pay $1.75 for media and have it play on 9 out 10 set top players then the Pioneer is the only way to go. I am just a skeptic that believes +R and +RW will always have a price premium over -R and -RW. If that changes and write speeds go up significantly, I'll be the first to get a new generation +R/+RW writer - but not till media is a buck a throw.
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Originally Posted by fingernailX
Also, DVD+R media is now usually in the price range of good DVD-R media. ($4-5 online, although not often.) The caveat though is that low end DVD+R media does not exist (like the $1.50 DVD-R media that's available but which is not terribly reliable) and DVD+R media is very hard to find. Also, software support for DVD+R is not as great as with DVD-R, since DVD+R is so new.
There are plusses and minuses to the formats (forgive the pun ), and while I agree to an extent on some of your points, let's keep the facts straight. -
Well I think you have the right idea to begin with. Look at the software and see which looks easiest for you to use. The format war is really a side issue. It's more important to get your video on to DVD and get on with life. My whole computer becomes obsolete every 2 - 3 years, why should I worry about a burner?
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Bob,
Forget the +R/RW format. Go with the Pioneer DVR-A04. In a year, you'll be glad you did. -
I would recomind buying a QPS firewire shell for 99.99 at Circut City and a DVD-104 online through cnet. THe lowest price is 339.95
Then get a screwdriver and build you own unit.
The only difference is it's cheaper, and your unit doesnt have a name brand sticker. -
Originally Posted by xiaNaix
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Originally Posted by fingernailX
One of the main reason I purchased a DVD+RW drive is for the 2.4x burning. And guess what, 2x certified DVD-R media is around the same price as DVD+R media but we can burn at 2.4X!
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Originally Posted by SLK001
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I have a DVD200Xi, DVD+RW/+R from HP, and I have succesfully created several DVD+Rs and not yet found a single player which would not read it.
Even Pioneers players, and a really OLD compatible with nothing else Sony S500D player. This player would not accept CDRW, nor DVD-R, nor DVD-RW but has no trouble at all reading DVD+Rs.
I think you may choose whatever player that fulfills your requirementes. For me the DVD+RW is great. Fast and compatible. Be sure to buy 2nd generation for DVD+R support.
Software support is being quickly updated as well for other DVD authoring Softwares. Nero already supports from version 5.5.8.2.
Juan Pablo -
john1290, why the mutliple posts? Just quote/reply in one post please.
*puts on anti-flame coat*
Also, 2.4x may be fast for you now, but Sanyo and Pioneer's 4x DVD-R write drives are scheduled to be released in 1 to 2 months. Once released, your 2.4x will be the slow one. Optodisc also plans to release 8x DVD-R media first half of 2003 - a sign of faster DVD-R/W writers to come. And I don't see any new announcements for 4x+ ceritified DVD+R/W media at all yet...
I agree with xiaNaix and SLK001, forget the +RW standard (its not even a real, official standard for crying out loud!) and go get a A04 DVD-R/W drive...you will have no regrets! Also, Sony has just dumped DVD+R/W in favor for DVD-R/W in their new line of Vaio desktops, see - http://www.dv-info.net/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cfd253a7cafffff;act=ST;f=5;t=16
Kusanagi -
You have to go with what you feel is best. Personally, I have a pioneer dvr-104 and I think it's great. First of all, the -r/-rw standard has been around for a while plus it is an actual standard which is supported by the dvd forum. If you really want to burn faster go with the non-standard HP drives. By the way the +R/+RW 2.4x drives burn a dvd in 23 minutes versus the -R/-RW burning them in 28 minutes (five minutes is no big deal to me.) Personally, I burn dvd's at 1x with media that I can get for $1.90 a disk and they work fine! After Kusanagi's post saying that Sony is putting the -R/-RW drives in their Vaio's I don't see the +R/+RW "standard" lasting much longer.
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Originally Posted by Kusanagi
As for Sony dumping DVD+RW......hmmmm......guess the >SONY< DVD+RW DRU-120A drive in my PC isn't real? If they "dumped" DVD+RW, while are they ramping up factory production of these drives? I read the press release where you got your info from and it's hardly anything to grab and start yelling silly things like "sony dumps DVD+RW". Sony is just playing both sides of the fence as any smart company would. They're a member of the DVD Forum AND they make drives based on the other standard. And who cares about having the "blessing of the DVD Forum".....you say that like it means something. Fact: my DVD+R discs play PERFECTLY in tons of DVD set top players WITHOUT a "DVD" logo....oh my..........gotta wonder, why was the DVD+RW spec created? If DVD-RW was so supperior, why would anyone challenge it? And I wonder how much your 4x DVD-R media is gonna cost? Wanna bet it will cost more than DVD+R media? -
Originally Posted by LanceSteel
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I have both drives, Ricoh M5125A and a Pioneer 104. Both drives work well for me. Right now I would take the 104 since there are more -R disks available. I see +R availability increasing in the next couple of months but in the long run I don't think you will see either format dissapear. In fact, there will be drives in the next few months that will support writing too both formats. Maybe you should wait for one of these drives.
RG -
Originally Posted by RAAGAAman
Originally Posted by Kusanagi
Originally Posted by john1290 -
Originally Posted by john1290Originally Posted by Eug
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ZDnet article on DVD+R vs. DVD-R:
http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2868531,00.html
"But performance is only one criterion for judging DVD recordable drives, especially if you plan to burn home-movie discs. A preburned DVD+R provided by HP worked in every player we tested it in, including some real antiques that wouldn't play DVD-Rs. This initial success is promising, but it's still early in the DVD+R game; we'll continue to test this disc and others we've burned ourselves in as many drives and players we can." -
Originally Posted by jowel13
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You can't handle the truth
http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/storage/review_2002-04-26.html
But the best thing about the Sony DVD writer is that, compared to the HP DVD+RW, it produces discs that are compatible with a greater number of set-top DVD decks and PC-based DVD-ROM drives. The superior compatibility appears to be a result of slightly buffed-up firmware and higher-quality media. It’s hard to imagine a bigger buzz-kill than spending $600 on a DVD recorder, only to find that your homemade discs won’t play on your set-top player. Sony brings DVD+RW a step closer to the compatibility currently offered by Pioneer’s DVD-RW DVR-A03, but ultimately fails to prove itself as a superior technology. And the lack of rudimentary write-once capability—which is available in the DVD-R spec and offers even higher compatibility rates—is a big disappointment. So we can’t give this fine drive anything higher than an 8.
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Originally Posted by PhilipL
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Originally Posted by PhilipL
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Am I worried about squat with my +RW drive, no. Do my +R discs work in everything I've tried them in, yes.
DVD-R/W media compatibility in present 2002 drives and DVD players = no worries.
DVD-R/W media compatibility in future drives and players = no real worries ahead, due to DVD Video certification (using DVD-R media and to an extent DVD-R/W media) with the DVD Forum and the release of high-speed DVD Multi writers (and DVD Multi DVD-ROMs) on the horizon.
DVD+R/W media compatibility in present drives/players - some worry as some DVD-ROMS still are still not compatible with DVD+R/W (Some AOpen and Pioneer drives). Also, the new DVD Multi DVD-ROM drives from Hitachi and Toshiba are NOT DVD+R/W certified.
DVD+R/W media compatibility in future drives and DVD players - UNKNOWN. Without certification and testing from the DVD Forum or use of the DVD Video Logo (and if manufacturers continue not to include the DVD+R/W read flag in their players (see PhilipL's post again)), it is really unknown if new drives and players will be 100% compatible with DVD+R/W. Thus, the main importance of the DVD Forum and their logo use. Again, I direct you to read - http://www.dvdfllc.co.jp/mess.htm#notice
So, while your DVD players you own may work fine with DVD+R/W media, it is really unknown if DVD+R/W will be widely accepted and compatible with new DVD players. While at the same time, DVD-R compatibility is pressing forward as all new Sony, Toshiba, and Panasonic DVD players even advertise that they can play DVD-R media (ie. http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=1&cat=32&scat=&e=11099590 - I don't see any mention of DVD+R/W compatibility...). Also, Sony and others are even using the DVD-R/W logo on the retail box to let consumers know that it can play DVD-R/W media.
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Originally Posted by Kusanagi
Do you read my posts here and articles on CNet and other news sites? +R is proving to be just as compatible as -r and in some cases, MORE compatible. +R works in EVERY SET TOP AND DVDROM player I've tried it in. Which is a LOT! +R will work in >all future set top and DVDROM players< period, FACT, BAM! BOOM! PERIOD! FACT! PERIOD!!!!!
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