SVCD with Chapters

[Cosmo Kramer]

..Can't wait for the version that does fully support menus, intro clips etc

Keep up good work!

CK.

[LeveL_42]

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On 2001-08-13 01:36:41, TTooL wrote:
Looks like it is your mpeg.
Havent checked XVCD yet, but it looks like you have no scan-offsets. Try www.vcdhelp.com/MPEGSequenceMakerv02.zip.
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Actualy I now remembered that I ran TPMGenc again in VCD compatible mode, so the stream was 1150kb/s really, so plain standard VCD.
OK, I demuxed with TPMGenc, ran the video through MPEGSequenceMakerv02 and muxed the sound again with TPMGenc.
(It gave some warning: "69252 s packets cause buffer underflow. The MPEG file might cause errors when it played."
However, the created mpg file played fine with Windows Media player.

When I now run VCDXBUILD C:\test.txt I do not get the entrypoints errors anymore. However now I get the following error: "errorSD: referenced play item 'end-1' not found", and no BIN file is created, again only cue file.

I also get messages about "padding on the fly", don't know if that is OK or not.

What is so strange about my MPEG that is doesn't work ??? I thought everybody was using TPMGenc ???
I realise that these problems are probably nothing to do with your tool, ttool but it would help me a lot if anyone can do some suggestions to get the thing done. What MPEG encoders did other people here use, as I see many are succesful ?

Thanks !

[hvr]

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When I now run VCDXBUILD C:\test.txt I do not get the entrypoints errors anymore. However now I get the following error: "errorSD: referenced play item 'end-1' not found", and no BIN file is created, again only cue file.
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if you look at the XML you will see, that there is no play item(segment-item, sequence-item or entry) which carries that id... that's what this error means...

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I also get messages about "padding on the fly", don't know if that is OK or not.
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well, depends on how many packets had to be... and how much zero bytes to be added...

if it's just a few, then it's probably ok (e.g. sometimes just the first 1 or 2 and the last have to... sometimes all audio packs have to be padded (which actually is ok for VCD2.0 as well, which means that about 1/10 of all packets are affected)...

[LeveL_42]

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On 2001-08-14 00:09:45, hvr wrote:
if you look at the XML you will see, that there is no play item(segment-item, sequence-item or entry) which carries that id... that's what this error means...
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I see, but that must be a problem of tcsv then I guess.


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well, depends on how many packets had to be... and how much zero bytes to be added...

if it's just a few, then it's probably ok (e.g. sometimes just the first 1 or 2 and the last have to... sometimes all audio packs have to be padded (which actually is ok for VCD2.0 as well, which means that about 1/10 of all packets are affected)...
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Mmm, I'm at work now and I have to look when I get back home, but I think it were a lot....will let you know tonight.

Thanks for the response !

[sunmiztres]

TTOOl...i was finally able to get my Apex 703 to work right with TCSV. I downloaded the latest version and also upgraded to win2k from winme so i don't know exactly where the problem was. I saw that you had fixed some bugs for people who have NTSC dvd's and that is what i was using. Just wanted to let you know and thanks you for the great proggie.

[ember]

Hey Aenaema- great program -
but could someone explain how to make the chapters playable by pressing the number keys on the remote? I managed to make a VCD with a nice intro and menu (albeit a boring plain orange background with no text) but the only control I had was pressing key 1. This took me to the first chapter.

Pressing other keys had no effect - I could not, for example, at the menus screen press 3 to go to chapter 3.

However, the skip button allowed me to skip from chapter to next chapter.

How do I create a VCD that allows the user to choose to go directly to a chapter?

BTW I have PBC on my DVD and it is VCD2.0 compatible.

[LeveL_42]

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On 2001-08-14 00:09:45, hvr wrote:
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I also get messages about "padding on the fly", don't know if that is OK or not.
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well, depends on how many packets had to be... and how much zero bytes to be added...

if it's just a few, then it's probably ok (e.g. sometimes just the first 1 or 2 and the last have to... sometimes all audio packs have to be padded (which actually is ok for VCD2.0 as well, which means that about 1/10 of all packets are affected)...
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Well, I just ran it again and here is the messages that I get:

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCDImager>vcdxbuild c:\test.txt
++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.7 [cygwin/i586]
++ WARN:
++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch!
++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing
++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information
++ WARN:
INFO: scanning mpeg sequence item #0 for scanpoints...
++ WARN: mpeg stream will be padded on the fly -- hope that's ok for you!
++ WARN: autopadding requires to insert additional 28821300 zero bytes into MPEG
stream (due to 104425 unaligned packets)
++ WARN: file `videocd.cue' exist already, will get overwritten!
**ERROR: PSD: referenced play item 'end-1' not found

So there's A LOT of zero bytes padded. I don't know what this means, and I also don't know why it is happening.

help please ??

[LeveL_42]

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On 2001-08-14 03:12:42, LeveL_42 wrote:
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On 2001-08-14 00:09:45, hvr wrote:
if you look at the XML you will see, that there is no play item(segment-item, sequence-item or entry) which carries that id... that's what this error means...
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I see, but that must be a problem of tcsv then I guess.
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Well this is the XML created by TSCV:

The end-1 is way at the end of the XML. So what is wrong with it here ? Sorry, I don't understand XML that well.


<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE videocd PUBLIC "-//GNU//DTD VideoCD//EN" "http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/videocd.dtd">

<videocd xmlns="http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/1.0/" class="vcd" version="2.0">
<info>
<album-id></album-id>
<volume-count>1</volume-count>
<volume-number>1</volume-number>
<restriction>0</restriction>
</info>
<pvd>
<volume-id>NEW</volume-id>
<system-id>CD-RTOS CD-BRIDGE</system-id>
<application-id>CDI/CDI_VCD.APP;1</application-id>
<preparer-id>GNU VCDIMAGER 0.7.7 CYGWIN/I586</preparer-id>
<publisher-id>TTooL</publisher-id>
</pvd>
<filesystem>
<folder>
<name>CDI</name>
<file src="C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCDImager\CDI\cdi_imag.rtf " format="mixed">
<name>CDI_IMAG.RTF</name>
</file>
<file src="C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCDImager\CDI\cdi_text.fnt ">
<name>CDI_TEXT.FNT</name>
</file>
<file src="C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCDImager\CDI\cdi_vcd.app" >
<name>CDI_VCD.APP</name>
</file>
</folder>
</filesystem>
<sequence-items>
<sequence-item src="C:\VideosinglesGOP.mpg" id="sequence-0">
<entry id="entry0-0">0.000</entry>
<entry id="entry0-1">240.000</entry>
<entry id="entry0-2">455.000</entry>
<entry id="entry0-3">682.000</entry>
<entry id="entry0-4">892.000</entry>
</sequence-item>
</sequence-items>
<pbc>
<selection id="selection-0">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="end-1"/>
<next ref="selection-1"/>
<return ref="end-1"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="entry0-0"/>
<select ref="selection-0"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-1">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-0"/>
<next ref="selection-2"/>
<return ref="end-1"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="entry0-1"/>
<select ref="selection-0"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-2">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-1"/>
<next ref="selection-3"/>
<return ref="end-1"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="entry0-2"/>
<select ref="selection-0"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-3">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-2"/>
<next ref="selection-4"/>
<return ref="end-1"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="entry0-3"/>
<select ref="selection-0"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-4">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<prev ref="selection-3"/>
<next ref="end-1"/>
<return ref="end-1"/>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="entry0-4"/>
<select ref="selection-0"/>
</selection>
<selection id="selection-5">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="end-1"/>
</selection>
<endlist id="end-1"/>
</pbc>
</videocd>

[k5oz]

TTools

First, thankyou for taking the time to develop such a GUI (S) VCD chaptering tool.
However, I am having the same problem that ember and Level_42 are having; i.e., only chapter 1 and the warnings in the build log. Plus, I cannot get Nero to burn the image, it keeps giving me an "invalid field in parameter" fault and "could not perform disk at once" fault. I think it is pilot error, can you offer any suggestions?

Thanks,
Dave

[TTooL]

Hi, you use a version where i added this:

<selection id="selection-5">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="end-1"/>
</selection>

This was a good idea, but somehow did not what i wanted

To Level42:
Looks like your mpeg is not valid. Try to demultiplex it and multiplexed it with bbMPEG.

To ember:
The number keys are used to jump between the mpegs. The << and >> is used to jump between chapters in the mpeg.

[yellow1]

Super proggie !
Tried the 0.7 beta and am very impressed.
Couple of questions:
1) Menu, when you write "no xml generated", is it because the next step is to generate XML so that one can move around the menu ?
2) For mpeg still encoding, why use such a high bitrate of 9,800kbps? Will that work for an SVCD ?

[TTooL]

Hi,was away a few days and finished v0.6.
The menu generator works and added some new tools.
Check it out, but its beta
I will answer the other questions this evening.

[LeveL_42]

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On 2001-08-15 02:36:42, TTooL wrote:
Hi, you use a version where i added this:

<selection id="selection-5">
<bsn>1</bsn>
<wait>0</wait>
<play-item ref="end-1"/>
</selection>

This was a good idea, but somehow did not what i wanted

To Level42:
Looks like your mpeg is not valid. Try to demultiplex it and multiplexed it with bbMPEG.

To ember:
The number keys are used to jump between the mpegs. The << and >> is used to jump between chapters in the mpeg.
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Success at last ! I re-encoded my AVI with Cleaner 5 and also the latest TSCV and now it worked fine with chaptering !!!

Just donwloaded V6 and going to test it now !

Great work !

[Sturm]

Greetings and salutations...
Having a bit of trouble with TSCV... I've got a nice video clip that I captured with VirtualDub, encoded with LSX, and it burns onto an SVCD with a menu using Nero perfectly fine... However, If I take that very same MPG and run it through TSCV with chapter stops, then tell Nero to burn that bin/cue file, it practically mutilates the video. Sure, the chapter stops DO work great, it WILL move backwards and forwards through the chapters correctly (although I still wish I could punch a number button on the remote to go that specific chapter directly)... Yet the video glitches about every five seconds or so... Screws up the audio, too (unsyncs it, then syncs it again after the next glitch). Very difficult to explain exactly WHAT it is doing; you'd have to see to understand, I suppose.
At any rate... Any idea what might be causing this? I've ruled out Nero and the blank CD... Something with TSCV and/or VCDImager 0.7.9 would be my guess. Any ideas, please? Thanks and take care!!

Sturm Brightblade
knight of Solamnia
sturmb@bigfoot.com

[city hunter]

Is it possible to create a scene selection menu in TSVC that is linked to all the chapters that have been made, if so how do you do that.



Cheers.

[sunmiztres]

I was just wondering if there is a way to make thumbnail images of the chapters that tscv generates? I know the more we see the more we want but i am wondering if anyone has done this and how. would be real cool if the proggie did it but i know that is alot of work for the authors of this proggie. thanks

[zeppsstteerr]

Hi TTools, absolutely love your GUI. Now then a couple of questions. First, is there a bug in 0.6 rel2 that keeps the program from generating a .bin/.cue file(s)?? Seen a couple people post this similar problem. Second, I load my single movie MPEG and then manually assign chapter start points in seconds which are then loaded, create the .bin/.cue(in ver. 0.6rel1) and burn. The main menu loads and I can press "1" on the remote and the movie starts, I can hit the return key and go back to the menu but if I try and hit the "2" button to go to the next chapter nothing happens. Am I missing something?

[sunmiztres]

Zeppsstteerr, the # buttons are to jump from mpeg to mpeg and the "next" button is to jump from chapter to chapter within the mpeg. That is why when you press 2 with only 1 mpeg file nothing happens.

[zeppsstteerr]

Ahhh... Thanks sunmiztres. Since I'm used to working with I-Author how would I be able to jump anywhere within the mpeg without going through each track in order?

[TTooL]

It was a bug in v0.6 r2 calling vcdxbuild, because i tested it with VCDImager 0.7.10, which has new options. The bug is fixed in v0.6r3. Sorry

[SVCD Maker]

I just download vcdimager 0.7.7 and TSCV. Placed in the same dir and ran TSCV. I added one avi file and made chapters every 120 seconds ~ 20 chapters. Made an output file name and click on create bin/cue. It goes to Log and Starting VCDxBuild process...



VCDxBuild finished
but there is not output file in that or any other directory.
Can some tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks

[SVCD Maker]

Just saw the msgs above mine. I guess there is a bug in 0.6 B rel 2. Don't see where to get rel 3 or ver 7.10 of vcdimager.

[CornelisJ]

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On 2001-08-20 07:25:26, SVCD Maker wrote:
Just saw the msgs above mine. I guess there is a bug in 0.6 B rel 2. Don't see where to get rel 3 or ver 7.10 of vcdimager.
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You can find the latest version of TSCV on TTools site.

[zeppsstteerr]

Hi all, downloaded 0.6 rel. 3 everything was going well but now when I execute the create cue/bin it creates a cue file but no bin file. Any suggestions???

Jeff

[Cosmo Kramer]

I had problem with movie over 100min, the program cut my file to 99.59minutes..

CK.

[hvr]

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On 2001-08-21 11:28:09, Cosmo Kramer wrote:
I had problem with movie over 100min, the program cut my file to 99.59minutes..

CK.

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sorry, the SVCD specs assume (and to some extent require) mpeg streams to have a playing time of less than 100 minutes... I'd suggest to split the stream at some sensible point into two halves...

[Cosmo Kramer]

Already did that with DVTool as TMPEGEnc (12i) didn't allow me to cut the encoded SVCD-file.. i cut the 1.7Gb file to 3 pieces but that didn't help. The time-code *does* continue to each file so it does exceed 100minutes easily.

Hope i dont have to forget the Chapters-business this easily

So, what's the solution?

CK.



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[zeppsstteerr]

Hi all, can anyone help me with the following errors I'm receiving during the build.

++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.9 [cygwin/i686]
++ WARN:
++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch!
++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing
++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information
++ WARN:
++ WARN: !! enabling deprecated VCD3.0 MPEGAV folder -- SVCD will not be IEC62107 compliant !!
++ WARN: !! enabling deprecated VCD3.0 ENTRYSVD signature -- SVCD will not be IEC62107 compliant !!
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'next_I_offset ': [00:00.0b]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I_offset ': [00:07.3f]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'previous_I_offset': [00:00.0b]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'backward_I_offset': [00:00.0b]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of

VCDxBuild finished

By the way there is a bug in rel. 3 of TSCV. If you try and include an "Intro" mpeg the program will only build a cue sheet and not the .bin file. If you do not include an intro mpeg everything works. Hmmm....

[ya_jai]

Hi zeppsstteerr,

I think you encoded your SVCD with TMPGenc, right?
If so, you can do by Check "Update Scan Offset" in TSCV. You still can see these warning, but Chapters work after finished.

[Sturm]

Heya... Looks like the egg's on me... Turns out it was NERO that was making mincemeat of my MPEG... Sure, it can creat SVCDs with menus on the fly perfectly fine, but don't ask it to burn a cue/bin file and expect your data to survive!! Sheesh... I got a wild hair and downloaded cdrdao... Works like a freakin' rabbit's foot!! Well, except for the fact that I'd like to be able to hit a number on the remote's keypad to go straight to that chapter on the SVCD, I am thoroughly pleased with your work, Ttool!! Take it easy, my friend!!

Sturm Brightblade
knight of Solamnia
sturmb@bigfoot.com