VideoReDo TVSuite & Professional - General Discussion Thread

[Bridgy]

4k AVC files had better support than 4k HEVC as far as the smart cut and smart rendering went, HEVC in lower resolutions were fine for cutting/joining etc, and 4k AVC and HEVC files could be imported was supported for exporting to other formats, especially by using the intelligent recode feature, unfortunately Dan did not quite complete the issue with cutting 4k HEVC files and adding Titles etc, the cutting of files was just very laggy when seeking cut points which just made it impossible to do, unless you had a few hours and loads of patience.

I was a beta tester for Dan Rosen for his 4K implementation, as i was probably one of his only VRD users who actually used VRD for editing video files from cameras as opposed to working with TV broadcast stuff, and more so when i started recording in 4k AVC, then moved to recording 4k HEVC just after he passed away, that was when i realized i had an issue with cutting my files and smart rendering them.

This is why for someone like myself, i now have a need for using another software to do my smart cutting and rendering of my 4k HEVC files before i bring them into VRD for exporting to other formats if or when i need to, and this is why i am so grateful for having LosslessCut in my kit because as far as i am concerned, it is the best tool out there for cutting and smart rendering video files, all the way up to 8k HEVC and does it effortlessly.

Most of the time i don't even need VRD because after i record in 4k/60p HEVC and cut/join them in LosslessCut i leave the exported file as it is for archiving, i only need to recode down to lower resolutions or recode the 4k file to AVC for those who might not have 4k or HEVC support on their TV.

I also downscale my 4k/60p files to 1080/60p using VRD intelligent recode if i will be uploading to youtube.

[Marayong]

I have to agree with cp2... fully functioning 4K support was still a work in progress with VRD (it was further ahead with the pro version). So it's absolutely no surprise that trying to get VRD to work with a 8K file would fail. On the other hand, one would expect losslesscut, which is still under development, would work with 8K files.

[Bridgy]

Actually i would have assumed that LosslessCut may well have not had support for 8k yet, given it is still a work in progress, but given it does support 8k, it certainly does the cuts and joins, and smart rendering better than any other tool of it's kind that i have ever used.

As i keep saying, i would be lost without LosslessCut right now, unless i paid for an alternative.

[Alwyn]

Comparing apples and oranges. Losslesscut is different to VRD because it doesn't do frame-accurate cutting.

[Marayong]

A lot of current video editing software supports 8K, so it's no surprise losslesscut does. As for it being a "work in progress", one could say that all software is either a work in progress or abandoned. Since lossless cut is still being developed - bugs sorted, new features added etc, it is a work in progress. Glad you have something that works. As for me, since I don't have a need to edit 4K video, let alone 8K, VRD still serves my needs.

There's been no word from DanH, but I assume he's still working on his version of VRD to be released "at some date". Such projects can take quite a while until they are stable enough to be released to the public, all the moreso if it's payware, as Dan intends for his product.

[Alwyn]

A lot of current video editing software supports 8K

Yes, I just tried lossless cutting of an 8k50 8bit HEVC file with AVIDemux and it works like a charm... on the keyframes.

[Bridgy]

Comparing apples and oranges. Losslesscut is different to VRD because it doesn't do frame-accurate cutting.

What are you going on about, nobody is comparing apples with oranges, we all know that LosslessCut and VRD are 2 totally different tools, and nobody that i know of so far has stated that LosslessCut does do frame accurate cutting (at any frame) and i certainly have not, all i have said is that it is frame accurate as long as you cut on keyframes, then it is as good as VRD, and i can get LosslessCut to cut bit out of a file and smart render it again faster than i can ever do it in VRD.

Oh, am i allowed to say such a negative thing about VRD ? or suggest that another cutting tool is actually faster than VRD.

I don't need to cut my files so accurately or at such precise frames, and with my 4k/60p files, LosslessCut has my keyframes at every 60th frame, or every 1 second, and for me that is perfectly fine.

I use VRD for different reasons than most other users, most are probably still stuck in the cave man days and working with old video formats, so VRD will be their tool of choice, but sadly for me, i work with newer video formats and i am now needing other tools to help me get my edits done, and i have no issues with suggesting that LosslessCut does do a job that VRD can't do for me with my 4k files.

What also peeves me off is when people post comments about editing tools that they have never even tried before.

Good thing that i don't have a need to record videos in 8k.

[Bridgy]

There's been no word from DanH, but I assume he's still working on his version of VRD to be released "at some date". Such projects can take quite a while until they are stable enough to be released to the public, all the moreso if it's payware, as Dan intends for his product.

I have a very firm opinion regarding this project, but i will not be making it public because some people might take what i have to say the wrong way, as many people so often do, having said that, i hope that my thoughts can be proven wrong, but if i am wrong, this project is never going to happen in the near future, it would have to be a long term thing for Dan.

[Alwyn]

we all know that LosslessCut and VRD are 2 totally different tools

In that case why are you going on and on about Losslesscut here? This is a VRD thread. All you do is sledge VRD. What's the point? People can't even get hold of VRD so it's not like you need to warn prospective buyers.

most are probably still stuck in the cave man days and working with old video formats

Nice.

What also peeves me off is when people post comments about editing tools that they have never even tried before.

Like who about what?

[Bridgy]

In that case why are you going on and on about Losslesscut here? This is a VRD thread. All you do is sledge VRD. What's the point? People can't even get hold of VRD so it's not like you need to warn prospective buyers.

This is a general discussion thread about VRD, and i go on and on about LC because i can, and my comments are valid and fine for posting in here (after all, i created this thread) and i am certainly not Sledging VRD in any way, shape, or form, i am merely letting those who might work with 4k files like i do, that there is a very good (and free) alternative for cutting/joining 4k files same file that VRD cannot manage to do properly.

I still use VRD for other any other files that it can deal with, but clearly my use of VRD is for completely different purposes than most others here in this Thread.

The only time you have ever been into this thread has been for the purpose of criticizing others, you have never once offered anything relating to VRD, so maybe you should just back off and not say anything at all.

[Alwyn]

This is a general discussion thread about VRD, and i go on and on about LC because i can

Makes sense.

[Bridgy]

Makes sense.

Oh wait a moment, i totally forgot, there is another Thread floating about in this Forum relating to VRD alternatives, should i be posting my LosslessCut comments over in that Thread instead, but hold on, LosslessCut is not an "Alternative" for VRD as it is nothing like it, LosslessCut is a dedicated cutting/joining tool AND it is still only guaranteed to be frame accurate when cutting at keyframes, which i have already tested, and i am totally fine with making my cuts on keyframes.

Off Topic banter welcomed