VideoReDo TVSuite & Professional - General Discussion Thread

[Bridgy]

4k AVC files had better support than 4k HEVC as far as the smart cut and smart rendering went, HEVC in lower resolutions were fine for cutting/joining etc, and 4k AVC and HEVC files could be imported was supported for exporting to other formats, especially by using the intelligent recode feature, unfortunately Dan did not quite complete the issue with cutting 4k HEVC files and adding Titles etc, the cutting of files was just very laggy when seeking cut points which just made it impossible to do, unless you had a few hours and loads of patience.

I was a beta tester for Dan Rosen for his 4K implementation, as i was probably one of his only VRD users who actually used VRD for editing video files from cameras as opposed to working with TV broadcast stuff, and more so when i started recording in 4k AVC, then moved to recording 4k HEVC just after he passed away, that was when i realized i had an issue with cutting my files and smart rendering them.

This is why for someone like myself, i now have a need for using another software to do my smart cutting and rendering of my 4k HEVC files before i bring them into VRD for exporting to other formats if or when i need to, and this is why i am so grateful for having LosslessCut in my kit because as far as i am concerned, it is the best tool out there for cutting and smart rendering video files, all the way up to 8k HEVC and does it effortlessly.

Most of the time i don't even need VRD because after i record in 4k/60p HEVC and cut/join them in LosslessCut i leave the exported file as it is for archiving, i only need to recode down to lower resolutions or recode the 4k file to AVC for those who might not have 4k or HEVC support on their TV.

I also downscale my 4k/60p files to 1080/60p using VRD intelligent recode if i will be uploading to youtube.

[Marayong]

I have to agree with cp2... fully functioning 4K support was still a work in progress with VRD (it was further ahead with the pro version). So it's absolutely no surprise that trying to get VRD to work with a 8K file would fail. On the other hand, one would expect losslesscut, which is still under development, would work with 8K files.

[Bridgy]

Actually i would have assumed that LosslessCut may well have not had support for 8k yet, given it is still a work in progress, but given it does support 8k, it certainly does the cuts and joins, and smart rendering better than any other tool of it's kind that i have ever used.

As i keep saying, i would be lost without LosslessCut right now, unless i paid for an alternative.

[Alwyn]

Comparing apples and oranges. Losslesscut is different to VRD because it doesn't do frame-accurate cutting.

[Marayong]

A lot of current video editing software supports 8K, so it's no surprise losslesscut does. As for it being a "work in progress", one could say that all software is either a work in progress or abandoned. Since lossless cut is still being developed - bugs sorted, new features added etc, it is a work in progress. Glad you have something that works. As for me, since I don't have a need to edit 4K video, let alone 8K, VRD still serves my needs.

There's been no word from DanH, but I assume he's still working on his version of VRD to be released "at some date". Such projects can take quite a while until they are stable enough to be released to the public, all the moreso if it's payware, as Dan intends for his product.

[Alwyn]

A lot of current video editing software supports 8K

Yes, I just tried lossless cutting of an 8k50 8bit HEVC file with AVIDemux and it works like a charm... on the keyframes.

[Bridgy]

Comparing apples and oranges. Losslesscut is different to VRD because it doesn't do frame-accurate cutting.

What are you going on about, nobody is comparing apples with oranges, we all know that LosslessCut and VRD are 2 totally different tools, and nobody that i know of so far has stated that LosslessCut does do frame accurate cutting (at any frame) and i certainly have not, all i have said is that it is frame accurate as long as you cut on keyframes, then it is as good as VRD, and i can get LosslessCut to cut bit out of a file and smart render it again faster than i can ever do it in VRD.

Oh, am i allowed to say such a negative thing about VRD ? or suggest that another cutting tool is actually faster than VRD.

I don't need to cut my files so accurately or at such precise frames, and with my 4k/60p files, LosslessCut has my keyframes at every 60th frame, or every 1 second, and for me that is perfectly fine.

I use VRD for different reasons than most other users, most are probably still stuck in the cave man days and working with old video formats, so VRD will be their tool of choice, but sadly for me, i work with newer video formats and i am now needing other tools to help me get my edits done, and i have no issues with suggesting that LosslessCut does do a job that VRD can't do for me with my 4k files.

What also peeves me off is when people post comments about editing tools that they have never even tried before.

Good thing that i don't have a need to record videos in 8k.

[Bridgy]

There's been no word from DanH, but I assume he's still working on his version of VRD to be released "at some date". Such projects can take quite a while until they are stable enough to be released to the public, all the moreso if it's payware, as Dan intends for his product.

I have a very firm opinion regarding this project, but i will not be making it public because some people might take what i have to say the wrong way, as many people so often do, having said that, i hope that my thoughts can be proven wrong, but if i am wrong, this project is never going to happen in the near future, it would have to be a long term thing for Dan.

[Alwyn]

we all know that LosslessCut and VRD are 2 totally different tools

In that case why are you going on and on about Losslesscut here? This is a VRD thread. All you do is sledge VRD. What's the point? People can't even get hold of VRD so it's not like you need to warn prospective buyers.

most are probably still stuck in the cave man days and working with old video formats

Nice.

What also peeves me off is when people post comments about editing tools that they have never even tried before.

Like who about what?

[Bridgy]

In that case why are you going on and on about Losslesscut here? This is a VRD thread. All you do is sledge VRD. What's the point? People can't even get hold of VRD so it's not like you need to warn prospective buyers.

This is a general discussion thread about VRD, and i go on and on about LC because i can, and my comments are valid and fine for posting in here (after all, i created this thread) and i am certainly not Sledging VRD in any way, shape, or form, i am merely letting those who might work with 4k files like i do, that there is a very good (and free) alternative for cutting/joining 4k files same file that VRD cannot manage to do properly.

I still use VRD for other any other files that it can deal with, but clearly my use of VRD is for completely different purposes than most others here in this Thread.

The only time you have ever been into this thread has been for the purpose of criticizing others, you have never once offered anything relating to VRD, so maybe you should just back off and not say anything at all.

[Alwyn]

This is a general discussion thread about VRD, and i go on and on about LC because i can

Makes sense.

[Bridgy]

Makes sense.

Oh wait a moment, i totally forgot, there is another Thread floating about in this Forum relating to VRD alternatives, should i be posting my LosslessCut comments over in that Thread instead, but hold on, LosslessCut is not an "Alternative" for VRD as it is nothing like it, LosslessCut is a dedicated cutting/joining tool AND it is still only guaranteed to be frame accurate when cutting at keyframes, which i have already tested, and i am totally fine with making my cuts on keyframes.

Off Topic banter welcomed

[Baldrick]

from videoredo.com

VideoReDo Activation Is No Longer Functional
Unfortunately due to a limiation in the original VideoReDo code activation is no longer available. There was a hard coded date in the original code that was used as part of a checksum calculation and we have gone so far past that date the variable holding the value is overflowing. This is a flaw inside VideoReDo binary and there is nothing I can do on the server to correct the issue. Existing activations will not be affected, but all future activations will fail so I've decided to simply take this page offline.

See this Reddit post for a more detailed explanation

https://www.reddit.com/r/videoredo/comments/1mvnol9/i_have_some_bad_news/

[Choli]

Just a heads up that new installs of VRD cannot be activated. I would suggest using something like Acronis True image (or similar)

https://www.reddit.com/r/videoredo/s/6SS9DHBtfg

[Alwyn]

What a shame.

[MozartMan]

I have VRD 6 on my current Windows 10 PC. But I am thinking about building new PC. And as far as I see there is no way I will be able to install it on new PC and activate it with my current product key.

So, is TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 a good alternative to VRD?

[Marayong]

As discussed elsewhere in this forum yonks back, there is a roundabout way of getting around this. If you have VRD currently activated on a computer, then make a clone or image of the drive that contains the VRD software & the licence (almost certainly this'll be C). Use this clone/image as the boot drive in your new computer. You will need to acquire a new windows licence since it's a different computer (which you would need to get anyway), but the VRD activation will be transferred to the new computer. I know this works since that's how I got VRD6 onto my current pc when my last one died. As a bonus, most other licences will also be transferred over intact, which will likely save you more than the cost of the Windows licence. Apart from Windows itself, the only issue I had building a new pc around a clone of the old one was that I had to reinstall Hauppauge Capture since it was installed with a Win7 driver which did not work on Win10/11. The Hauppauge licence however did transfer fine.

DanH is working on a workaround to get the activation server working again. The catch is that it will require users to change the date on their computer to a specific date (1/1/2025), activate VRD and then change the computer date back to the present day.

This is from the reddit link Baldrick posted. DanH has posted news of the possible workaround minutes ago & it is currently being tested.

[Bridgy]

I just posted over in the Reddit Forum my results from a series of testing of Windows Cloning, might want to read it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videoredo/comments/1mvnol9/i_have_some_bad_news/

If you had Windows 10 when you activated your VRD and you use your Windows 10 image on a new computer then you will be stuck with your windows 10 forever, however you might be able to do an in house upgrade to Windows 11 where by you will need to initiate that upgrade from within your current Windows 10 environment, and Retain your current Software as well.

I did not test this myself as i have no need to, but it should work, however, before doing anything, make sure that you have your original Windows Image stored somewhere just in case.

I have VRD 6 on my current Windows 10 PC. But I am thinking about building new PC. And as far as I see there is no way I will be able to install it on new PC and activate it with my current product key.

So, is TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 a good alternative to VRD?

Yes it would arguably be the best alternative as long as you want to pay for it, but it will not convert your files to any other format like VRD does.

To convert to other formats, resolutions etc, you will need TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7.

[Marayong]

The following is a note from DanH posted on the reddit forum:

"Ok so I came up with a workaround for the activation issue. Rather than having the code use today’s date I hard coded the server to use the date 1/1/2025 so it's within the maximum 4094 days. However for it to work your computer also needs to be set to 1/1/2025. So you have to manually change the date on your computer, then open VideoReDo and do the activation. Once the activation is complete you can then change the date back to the default and it will continue to work."

[MozartMan]

I have VRD 6 on my current Windows 10 PC. But I am thinking about building new PC. And as far as I see there is no way I will be able to install it on new PC and activate it with my current product key.

So, is TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 a good alternative to VRD?

Yes it would arguably be the best alternative as long as you want to pay for it, but it will not convert your files to any other format like VRD does.

To convert to other formats, resolutions etc, you will need TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7.

Right now I am playing with trial versions of TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 and TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7. I have to say that I like it.

I will probably buy all three.

They offer bundle with all three for $248.

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6
TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7
TMPGEnc Authoring Works 7

[killer30]

Videoredo is the only application that converts mkv to mp4 in one click? Does anyone know another method please?

[Vidd]

Videoredo is the only application that converts mkv to mp4 in one click? Does anyone know another method please?

ffmpeg -i input.mkv output.mp4

[burt123]

Videoredo is the only application that converts mkv to mp4 in one click? Does anyone know another method please?

Once you've setup Handbrake, it's basically 1 click (probably more like 4 or 5), but who's counting.

[killer30]

Videoredo is the only application that converts mkv to mp4 in one click? Does anyone know another method please?

ffmpeg -i input.mkv output.mp4

For me, converting in cmd takes a very long time, is that the case for you too?

[Marayong]

DanH's workaround for VRD activations has been tested and works. You go through the activation process, as usual, however before starting the activation process you need to change your computer system clock to 1/1/2025, do the activation and then adjust the computer clock back to the present day.

[Bridgy]

Right now I am playing with trial versions of TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 and TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7. I have to say that I like it.

I will probably buy all three.

They offer bundle with all three for $248.

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6
TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7
TMPGEnc Authoring Works 7

If what you are doing with your precious video files requires you to buy all 3, then buy the bundle, however do you need an Authoring tool in 2025 ??? like who on earth burns stuff to DVD these days.

I would only be getting the TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 do do your cuts (edits) and Smart Render the files back together.

If you need to reconvert to a different format or rescale your files, just get a free copy of Handbrake and learn how to use that, remembering that you really do need to understand how it works, and what settings are required to change a video from 1 format to another, because it is not as simple as many people will have you believe, like it takes a lot more than just 1 click to do most conversions, more like 5, plus a lot of head banging along the way.

Handbrake is brilliant once you understand how to use it properly.

TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7 does not do Smart Cutting or Smart Rendering as part of it's editing, hence the need to buy the Smart Renderer 6 as well.

TMPGE (Pegasys) are taking customers for a ride and ripping them off because if you need Smart Cutting, Smart Rendering, and the ability to convert to other formats, then why would they not incorporate Smart Cutting and Smart Rendering into Video Mastering Works 7, which they are charging more fore anyway, it just doesn't make sense.

As for me, if i ever lost my VRD Pro and had to use other software, i will be using LosslessCut for my frame accurate cutting (accurate on keyframes only) and smart rendering back to the same format, and i will be using Handbrake to re-code my file to other formats if needed, all for free.

[Baldrick]

Videoredo is the only application that converts mkv to mp4 in one click? Does anyone know another method please?

MKVtoolnix of course. Right click under Input and choose Add files. Click Start multiplexing.

Edit: oops. Wrong way(mp4 to mkv).

[dessieclive]

Personally, I have used both TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 and TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7, and it's very easy to convert from mkv to mp4 in Smart Renderer, In Format, in the Output Target dropdown, just select mp4.

In Video Mastering Works, you can convert to a lot more formats including mp3, I often use it to edit mp3's i have made from old 78's, cutting the silence from the start and end of the record. This obviously isn't the programs main use, but it shows how versaitle it can be. And although it doesnt have smart cutting or rendering, I personally havent noticed much difference in quality before and after.

Both programs have great volume adjustment options too, including a batch audio tool for if you load multiple files at once. They both have the same fundamental editing structure on the Cut Edit window

[MozartMan]

Right now I am playing with trial versions of TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 and TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7. I have to say that I like it.

I will probably buy all three.

They offer bundle with all three for $248.

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6
TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 7
TMPGEnc Authoring Works 7

If what you are doing with your precious video files requires you to buy all 3, then buy the bundle, however do you need an Authoring tool in 2025 ??? like who on earth burns stuff to DVD these days.

I would only be getting the TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 do do your cuts (edits) and Smart Render the files back together.

Thank you. You convinced me. I will just buy TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6.

[MozartMan]

If you had Windows 10 when you activated your VRD and you use your Windows 10 image on a new computer then you will be stuck with your windows 10 forever.

That would be not the only problem.

If you use image from previous PC and put it in the new built PC it will de-activate Windows because of the new motherboard.

How would you deal with this?