NEW DVD'S THAT CANT BE READ IN DVD ROM DRIVE???

[flexte]

anyone have a solution for these new dvd's that cant be read in normal dvd drive. so far i have found 3 that cant be read in my drive and my buddy just had the same problem. by the way i know that most interactive smut dvd's cant be read but now im finding that more and more dvd's cant be seen. any help would be great.

[adam]

I've never heard of any dvd that can't be read on a pc dvdrom. The loaders in dvd players are basically dvdroms so I don't see how this could be true. Which dvds are you talking about?

[flexte]

Well so far its only happened with 3 smut dvd's and i have been ripped more that 50 dvd's. This just started happigning and only with newer dvd's. just found out that the one my friend couldnt read was readable in another dvd drive so maybe its just the brand dvd rom that i have

[pinoy2201]

actauly ther culdnt be a newwer protection on DVDs as older players will not be able to play it

[adam]

Sounds like authoring mistakes on the dvd. These are common and can cause various problems on certain types of hardware.

[BerrantRyke]

actauly ther culdnt be a newwer protection on DVDs as older players will not be able to play it

And thats the bueaty of it. Imagine the movie companies trying to tell everyone that if they want to watch new movies at home that they will have to buy NEW players... will not happen untill a format "better" than DVD comes along...

But its only a matter of time till the new format is cracked as well. Look how fast the DVD format was able to be copied....

Ah well.. Just my 2 cents.

[liquid217]

what is your os? for some strange reason, my windows 2000 system will not read the directory of a dvd, but i can rip it fine. Ive always taken this for granded and never thought much about it. Adding my 2 cents.

Total: $0.04

[poopyhead]

And thats the bueaty of it. Imagine the movie companies trying to tell everyone that if they want to watch new movies at home that they will have to buy NEW players... will not happen untill a format "better" than DVD comes along...

that won't be happening anytime soon...it took them so long to get DVD and DVD players into mainstream....DVD penetration into homes is pretty high right now...they could risk pissing alotta people off if they start coming up w/ a new format and forcing ppl to spend more money in buying another player

however, i heard phillips (and other companies, i think) are trying to combat the dvd ripping problem by coming up w/ a new "dvd format"..it's only available in standalone players, not in computers, so can't be ripped....maybe only capped...(however, i don't think that's gonna be very popular among regular ppl and definitely rippers)

[flexte]

MY OS is win 2k but. you say that you ca nrip it but not read the directories? well if teh dvd cannot be seen by my drive then it cant be ripped. most likely its soemthing with the drive im sure each brand has its little diferences. well thanks for the replies if this keeps on happening then it will be a bigger issue, so far only 3 out of about 50 have had this problem so im still ahead of the game. without starting another tpic does anyone know why they only make dvd-r 4.? gig. still too small to fit a full dvd movie. unless of course that why they did it.

[SLK001]

I am running into this, too. I get a message that says, "THIS DVD IS NOT FORMATED TO PLAY ON THIS MACHINE. PLEASE RETURN IT TO THE PLACE OF PURCHASE". What I think is happening, is the DVD is introducing errors which cause the DVD reader to abort to the default "first play" item, which is the first VOB ID in VIDEO_TS.VOB. In my problem DVD, the first VOB ID is a screen with the above error message. For some reason, this only occurs on a non-UDF file system (ie, not on a set top DVD).

However, the DVD can be easily ripped to HD. PowerDVD still has the same problem as before with the ripped version, but interestingly, Derrow's IFOEdit DVD PLAY feature doesn't exhibit this problem.

I am on the verge of cracking this "feature" and getting the contents on a DVD-R (retaining the menus and some of the features). It is requiring some creative "reprogramming" of the .IFO files. The trouble has been coming up to speed on the programming language and operation of the code.

[stanwebber]

i'm also of the mind that certain brands are less tolerant to unorthodox or badly mastered discs. my pioneer & liteon 16x drives are particularly suseptible to choking on multi-region or no-region discs, whereas my btc 12x has so far played all with no problems

[AntnyMD]

ugh ...

This screams of the type of encoding on Circuit City/Divx pay-per-view DVDs. These discs put the movie VOBs in a different folder than the VIDEO_TS folder. The VIDEO_TS folder contained pointers to these other movie VOBs. Non-Divx players read the VIDEO_TS folder only, which of course contained a screen that says "pay up or piss off."

Since rippers couldn't be directed to any other folder but the VIDEO_TS folder, it rendered these discs unrippable. The discs were dual-layer or something also, which made them huge and uncopyable through Windows Explorer.

[adam]

Well if the vobs are only in a different folder than the Video_TS folder than you can simply rip in file mode in Smartripper. As long as the Video_TS.vob and ifo are present I think you can rip from any dir.

Divx disks were unrippable for an entirely different reason. The encryption was housed on a server unlike dvds where its on the disk itself. You would have had to hack into the server for each divx disk you wanted to unlock.

I don't think these particular problem dvds are authored any different from regular dvds, I think they just contain authoring errors. Its extremely common, most of the time these errors just don't present themselves.

[AntnyMD]

Well if the vobs are only in a different folder than the Video_TS folder than you can simply rip in file mode in Smartripper. As long as the Video_TS.vob and ifo are present I think you can rip from any dir.

I thought so, too, so I tried to navigate to the AUDIO_TS folder on a DVD-Audio disc, because it contained content. That didn't work. Smartripper automatically looks for the Video_TS.vob, which, on DVD-Video, is contained in the VIDEO_TS folder. Since there is no Video_TS.vob in the AUDIO_TS folder on a DVD-Audio disc, Smartripper won't go there.

[SLK001]

You are correct, adam, these disks aren't authored any differently than other disks. However (at least in my instance), there are errors that cause a non-UDF file system to have problems. In my case, there are 96 PGC_MENU items that have a huge amount of conditional jumps. I am slowly working through them and "NOPping" the ones that are bullshit. I have eliminated everyone up to the play of the movie (all menus are now working). I hope to be done with this by this weekend (I'm really beginning to hate this DVD!!).

Here's an example of what is happening (both of these are in the same domain):
PGC_MENU_3-------Jump to VMG PGC_15
PGC_MENU_15------Jump to VMG PGC_3

As you can see, this will create an infinite loop (a programming "no-no"). This is the type of crap that I am wading through.

[adam]

I thought so, too, so I tried to navigate to the AUDIO_TS folder on a DVD-Audio disc, because it contained content. That didn't work. Smartripper automatically looks for the Video_TS.vob, which, on DVD-Video, is contained in the VIDEO_TS folder. Since there is no Video_TS.vob in the AUDIO_TS folder on a DVD-Audio disc, Smartripper won't go there.

Yeah but thats DVD-Audio disks, thats totally different. Read my post again, I specifically said that as long as the Video_TS vob and ifo are present then smartripper can rip the vobs in file mode. Maybe I should have been more specific and said that the Video_TS and ifos need to be present in the same dir as the vobs but I thought that was obvious.

Basically all I'm saying is that flexte's problem has nothing to do with where the vobs are stored.

[flexte]

wow i see how easy the topic gets changed here. still i enjoy this forum. my problem is that the drive does not even recognize there is a disc in it.
the drive has nothing on it when the dvd is in it. wel i think one person said they had htat problem ill just get a newer dvd rom if it keeps up. but 1 bad out of 25 isnt bad.

[SLK001]

Well, maybe your drive is just being "prudish" and refusing to even look at such smut (I know a few women like that)! It is also possible that these non-readable DVDs are not entirely "complient" with the DVD specs (and some readers are more tolerant than others). If their DVDs are anything like their video tapes (quality wise), then I can believe the problems that you are having.

Anyway, flexte, STOP CHANGIN' THE SUBJECT!

[spidey]

I believe the new CD / DVD's that are " protected " use almost like a pitting in them. They have strategically placed "skips" and "bumps" that don't throw off a stand-alone player, but do on Rom-Drives as they have said the drives were more sensitive.

Generally speaking, Porn discs aren't often encrypted. They tend to not want to waste the money doing so and upping their costs.

So this may all be a problem with your drive.

[Greg12]

People would not stand for that, think of all the people who watch DVD's on laptops.

Also think of all those tight-a** players who won't play anything but a real DVD.


And neyway, if it is, soon someone will hack it.

[stanwebber]

lots of cheap asian imports are nothing more than a dvd-rom in a box. i had the drive from my sampo standalone player in my pc briefly & it worked fine

[fatfish]

HI,
I also had that kind of problem.When I ripped off a DVD to HD by smartripper. I follow the guide using INFOedit and do the trick. Then burn it with NERO. It burn fine and played fine in settop DVDplayer. However, It can be read anymore with the writer itselft and the PowerDVD inside the PC and locking it up either.
Would anyone telling me what 'm I wrong with the procedure?
Thanks.
James

[leebo]

I'm wondering if the discs were authored in "VR" mode instead of video mode.

I'm just learning about this format (the new DVD set top recorders use it).
Do a search for my name in the last week or two and you will come across a thread that has a link to a free software download that will allow your DVD-ROM to read these discs.

It's worth a shot.

[AntnyMD]

Yeah but thats DVD-Audio disks, thats totally different. Read my post again, I specifically said that as long as the Video_TS vob and ifo are present then smartripper can rip the vobs in file mode. Maybe I should have been more specific and said that the Video_TS and ifos need to be present in the same dir as the vobs but I thought that was obvious.

Basically all I'm saying is that flexte's problem has nothing to do with where the vobs are stored.

All major-label DVD-Audio discs have content in the VIDEO_TS folder (DVD-Video content) so you can play them in *any* DVD player. Given that, Smartripper still only looks for content in the VIDEO_TS folder, and will not let you browse to any other directory, even in File mode.

[adam]

Smartripper still only looks for content in the VIDEO_TS folder, and will not let you browse to any other directory, even in File mode.

Completely false. Have you even tried to test this theory out? I have. Rip the TS_Video.vob and TS_Video.ifo to your hard drive and rip as many of the other vobs as you want. Put them in any dir, the name doesnt matter. Now open smartripper in file mode and load this dir. Smartripper will show you all the vobs and allow you to rip from this dir as if it were the dvd. This proves that the name of the dir does not matter. As long as the TS_Video vob and ifo are present, smartripper can rip from it.

Now in file mode browse the dvd. You will see that you can load any one of the dirs. If there were a TS_Video.vob and a TS_Video.ifo file in any of these dirs then you could rip vob files from them. The fact that no dvds have this only proves that the situation we are talking about is hypothetical.

Smartripper only looks for content in the Video_TS folder in MOVIE MODE because thats the only dir that the TS_Video files are in. Like I said before, as long as you are ripping in file mode you can rip from any dir as long as the Video_TS vob and ifo are present.

[AntnyMD]

Smartripper still only looks for content in the VIDEO_TS folder, and will not let you browse to any other directory, even in File mode.

Completely false.

Smartripper only looks for content in the Video_TS folder in MOVIE MODE because thats the only dir that the TS_Video files are in. Like I said before, as long as you are ripping in file mode you can rip from any dir as long as the Video_TS vob and ifo are present.

Have you ever tried to rip content from the AUDIO_TS folder from a DVD with content in both the AUDIO_TS and the VIDEO_TS folders? Clearly there is one directory you cannot browse to .. the AUDIO_TS folder on the actual DVD.

[adam]

Why do I keep having to repeat myself? If there is a Video_TS vob and ifo present then you can rip from THAT dir and only THAT dir. You said it yourself earlier. There is no Video_TS.vob or ifo in the Audio_TS dir...THAT is why you cannot rip from it. Like I said, Audio dvd are totally different than regular dvds. This problem will not occur on regular dvds because the video content is always in the Video_TS folder and the Video_TS vobs and ifo will always be there as well.

Create an Audio_TS dir on your hard drive and put a Video_TS.vob and and ifo in there and some other vobs as well. Go into smartripper in file mode and load this dir and you will be able to rip from it. The name of the dir does not matter, all that matters are that the Video_TS files are in THAT dir, not another dir on the dvd, THAT same dir as the vobs. Since these files are always in the Video_TS dir this becomes a purly hypothetical arguement. I'm not trying to argue that it is possible to rip Audio dvds, I never even brought Audio dvds up and they have nothing to with the point I was making. My point is that the physical location of the vobs has nothing to do with this poster's problem. Regardless of what dir the video vobs are stored in there will always be a TS_Video.vob and ifo alongside it, and if this is the case then Smartripper can rip it. The fact that the video vobs are always in the same dir only make this discussion moot.