Rendering from Sony Vegas 10, Enormous file sizes

[AShillingNoMore]

Exporting a basic 1 and a half or so minute NTSC video results in file sizes of a gigabyte or more. I'm using Sony Vegas 10 on a Windows XP machine. Any suggestions for rendering reasonable quality video with smaller file sizes? Using the standard AVI + NTSC DV preset.

[davexnet]

1 gb of DV at 720 x 480 holds approx 4 minutes and 45 seconds of footage.
Is this what you're seeing?

[AShillingNoMore]

1 gb of DV at 720 x 480 holds approx 4 minutes and 45 seconds of footage.
Is this what you're seeing?

Exactly what I'm seeing. Know any render methods/presets that give you an hour or so of footage for a gigabyte? I'm quite a newbie when it comes to exporting and balancing quality and file size.

[davexnet]

Any particular reason you chose DV? It was originally used in Camcorders 15 years ago to capure SD video onto tape.
How will your render be used? If it's a final format for PC or streaming to TV,
use H.264 (AVC) or H.265 (Hevc)

[AShillingNoMore]

Any particular reason you chose DV? It was originally used in Camcorders 15 years ago to capure SD video onto tape.
How will your render be used? If it's a final format for PC or streaming to TV,
use H.264 (AVC) or H.265 (Hevc)

Not really, was just using it as it was the default. I've tried AVC but can't get the bitrate right and sadly HEVC is not present because HEVC seems to have been developed in 2013, while Vegas 10 came out in 2010.

I'm trying to replicate the quality of the following video properties as closely as possible as this is the source video I have edited.

Format                           : AVI
Format/Info                      : Audio Video Interleave
File size                        : 700 MiB
Duration                         : 1h 33mn
Overall bit rate                 : 1 051 Kbps

Video
ID                               : 0
Format                           : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                   : Advanced Simple@L5
Format settings, BVOP            : 2
Format settings, QPel            : No
Format settings, GMC             : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix          : Default (H.263)
Muxing mode                      : Packed bitstream
Codec ID                         : XVID
Codec ID/Hint                    : XviD
Duration                         : 1h 33mn
Bit rate                         : 907 Kbps
Width                            : 512 pixels
Height                           : 384 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 4:3
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Compression mode                 : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.192
Stream size                      : 604 MiB (86%)
Writing library                  : XviD 1.0.3 (UTC 2004-12-20)

[davexnet]

You haven't said anything about the settings you used
in Vegas or what was wrong with the result.
AVC is more efficient than xvid, less bitrate for comparable quality.
Perhaps you should elaborate a bit more or post some samples

[_Al_]

If Vegas is from 2010, H265 or H264 were not particularly optimal. Go to Voucoder website and download older version of that plugin for Vegas. Then export H264 or H265 video. If exporting interlaced, use H264 (x264 codec for video, and recommending AAC for audio), and make sure video stays interlaced.

[AShillingNoMore]

You haven't said anything about the settings you used
in Vegas or what was wrong with the result.
AVC is more efficient than xvid, less bitrate for comparable quality.
Perhaps you should elaborate a bit more or post some samples

Sorry about that.

Using AVC has allowed me to lower the file size to an acceptable size, however the colors look a tad darker than the source video as seen in the image below. The one on the left is the source video while the one on the right is the Vegas render:


[Attachment 82518 - Click to enlarge]

I'm using the following settings for rendering:


[Attachment 82519 - Click to enlarge]

[davexnet]

The brightness difference could be to do with the source being full range
and the levels being crushed. You'll have to post the video, or a clip of it for analysis.

Are you doing anything else in Vegas besides re-encoding the video?

[AShillingNoMore]

[Accidentally duplicate posted, ignore]

[AShillingNoMore]

The brightness difference could be to do with the source being full range
and the levels being crushed. You'll have to post the video, or a clip of it for analysis.

Clips of both videos for comparison or just one of them? The original video is about an hour in length and other than Sony Vegas I don't have any tools to hand to shorten it without re-rendering.

Another quick note when it comes to the color - the issue does not occur in the preview.

Are you doing anything else in Vegas besides re-encoding the video?

I'm editing two videos into one long one, so yes.

[AShillingNoMore]

To update, changing the project's pixel format to 32bit floating point (Video Levels) has the same color problems, but (Full Range) seems to have fixed it. Thanks for the assistance.