Can I convert 1080i to 1080p using TMPGEnc Video Mastering v.6?

[vhwul62]

I have a bunch of 1080i video's. It is 'shaking' when played.
I wonder whether I can convert them to 1080p using Video Mastering version 6

Thanks!

[rgr]

Probably yes, but it's better to use AviSynth and ffmpeg.

[The_Doman]

I have a bunch of 1080i video's. It is 'shaking' when played.

"shaking", you mean not properly de-interlaced when played?

Possible using another/better player can solve the problem too so you can keep the original video quality?
Good mediaplayers should de-interlace automatically with correctly encoded video files.
But you can force it too.


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[vhwul62]

Probably yes, but it's better to use AviSynth and ffmpeg.

Thanks. Problem is: I am not familiar with these programs
Usually such programs require some knowledge/skills about settings, blah blah
Not saying that I know how to do it in TMPGEnc Video Mastering, but I have that program (licensed)

Just a simple search like: AviSynth convert1080i to 1080p
hits on I-don't-know how many hits.

Hence, I start of being puzzled...

[vhwul62]

I have a bunch of 1080i video's. It is 'shaking' when played.

"shaking", you mean not properly de-interlaced when played?

Possible using another/better player can solve the problem too so you can keep the original video quality?
Good mediaplayers should de-interlace automatically with correctly encoded video files.
But you can force it too.


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No videoplayer in between, just straight from the USB HDD to TV.
All the 1080p go well, just the 1080i is a kind of 'shaky'.

[Barrythecrab]

I immediately go to Selur’s Hybrid, I couldn’t code my way off a toilet.

[rgr]

No videoplayer in between, just straight from the USB HDD to TV.
All the 1080p go well, just the 1080i is a kind of 'shaky'.

Can you add an sample?

[The_Doman]

No videoplayer in between, just straight from the USB HDD to TV.
All the 1080p go well, just the 1080i is a kind of 'shaky'.

It's the same for a TV, it should handle "correctly" encoded/interlaced video's well too.
The video's are TV or Camcorder recordings?

But of course there could be another problem you are facing/seeing.

[rgr]

Probably yes, but it's better to use AviSynth and ffmpeg.

Thanks. Problem is: I am not familiar with these programs
Usually such programs require some knowledge/skills about settings, blah blah
Not saying that I know how to do it in TMPGEnc Video Mastering, but I have that program (licensed)

Just a simple search like: AviSynth convert1080i to 1080p
hits on I-don't-know how many hits.

Hence, I start of being puzzled...

Use Hybrid

[vhwul62]

No videoplayer in between, just straight from the USB HDD to TV.
All the 1080p go well, just the 1080i is a kind of 'shaky'.

It's the same for a TV, it should handle "correctly" encoded/interlaced video's well too.
The video's are TV or Camcorder recordings?

But of course there could be another problem you are facing/seeing.

They are downloaded TV programs. Just the 1080p version of those TV programs are fine, the 1080i are not ('shaky'/'vibration' in case of movements, for instance walking people). That seems to be a common problem and one is recommended to use 1080p.

Reason for my question.
I'll check out AviSynth.

[davexnet]

Cut a small sample of a problem video and post it here for analysis

[vhwul62]

Below are the details of the source 1080i file.

when using ffmpeg (please bear in mind... I have never used that tool), what would the instruction to get a 1080p with the same quality and about the same size?
I'll need to download the .exe in the first place...
Found out this isn't quite simple, to say the least: one ends up going back and forth on sites probably meant for developers.

Have given up. Any suggestion is welcome.

Thanks!
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General
Unique ID : 180224953110897017935994172891880854274 (0x34D4D581485B71136445D23B89BD9302)
Complete name : E:\FILENAMEABCXYZ.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4
File size : 4.22 GiB
Duration : 49 min 45 s
Overall bit rate : 12.1 Mb/s
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date : 2022-09-13 18:03:00 UTC
Writing application : mkvmerge v65.0.0 ('Too Much') 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.3

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 49 min 45 s
Bit rate : 11.7 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Full frame 16:9 image
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Separated fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.113
Stream size : 4.07 GiB (96%)
Language : Dutch
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 49 min 45 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 159 MiB (4%)
Language : Dutch
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Dialog Normalization : -23 dB
compr : -0.28 dB
cmixlev : -3.0 dB
surmixlev : -3 dB
mixlevel : 284 dB
roomtyp : 3
ltrtcmixlev : -3.0 dB
ltrtsurmixlev : -3.0 dB
lorocmixlev : -3.0 dB
lorosurmixlev : -3.0 dB
dialnorm_Average : -23 dB
dialnorm_Minimum : -23 dB
dialnorm_Maximum : -23 dB

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Duration : 49 min 44 s
Bit rate : 64 b/s
Frame rate : 0.202 FPS
Count of elements : 603
Stream size : 23.4 KiB (0%)
Language : Dutch
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Duration : 49 min 44 s
Bit rate : 117 b/s
Frame rate : 0.220 FPS
Count of elements : 656
Stream size : 42.7 KiB (0%)
Title : Coloured
Language : Dutch
Default : No
Forced : No

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[Alwyn]

For the third time, smart-cut a 30 second sample and attach it here.

[vhwul62]

For the third time, smart-cut a 30 second sample and attach it here.

Sorry, I don't do that for specific reasons. If the above info is not sufficient, then let it rest.

[The_Doman]

Below are the details of the source 1080i file.
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 49 min 45 s
Bit rate : 11.7 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Full frame 16:9 image
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Separated fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.113
Stream size : 4.07 GiB (96%)
Language : Dutch
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

This looks like the typical Dutch (cable) TV broadcasts i receive/record (or sometimes download too) here.
It should play perfectly fine on any HDTV, unless they trans-coded/re-encoded it wrong?

But without a short example we keep guessing what/where it goes wrong.

You can cut a short lossless/sample easily with Avidemux (use copy).
AviDemux latest Nightly builds

[Alex_ander]

You have different framerates (50 vs 25) for mkv container and elementary video stream in that video - it's wrong. Some applications (and maybe your TV importing tools) ignore the elementary stream data and use the value from container, they would just consider the video progressive and it results in double playback speed. Applications like DGIndexNV (for importing video into Avisynth) would see the error and ask you to manually choose the correct framerate.
You can try repacking the video with a newer MKVToolnix version (like 86.0) to provide correct values in mkv metadata (use 25 fps in program's settings).
'Variable framerate' (specifically mkv feature) is also a strange thing for a video from TV. Hopefully, it's just written automatically because of 2 values of framerate present in the video's data.

[Alwyn]

Sorry, I don't do that for specific reasons.

Arr, OK, sorry for being pushy.

[jagabo]

something like:

ffmpeg -i numbers.m2v -vf bwdif=mode=1:parity=0:deint=0 -c:v libx264 -acodec copy bwdif.mkv

[vhwul62]

Below are the details of the source 1080i file.
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 49 min 45 s
Bit rate : 11.7 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Full frame 16:9 image
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Separated fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.113
Stream size : 4.07 GiB (96%)
Language : Dutch
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

This looks like the typical Dutch (cable) TV broadcasts i receive/record (or sometimes download too) here.
It should play perfectly fine on any HDTV, unless they trans-coded/re-encoded it wrong?

But without a short example we keep guessing what/where it goes wrong.

You can cut a short lossless/sample easily with Avidemux (use copy).
AviDemux latest Nightly builds

You are right.

However, above is the source and plays well.
The only thing I am trying to do is have it converted to 1080p (the 1080i has quite some 'combing' - i.e. shaky/vibrating)

At this very moment I am -trying- the following:
converting to 1080p (using TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works).
However, I know, the the subs will be gone in the resulting (.mp4)
I think Video Mastering Works does not support re-encoding embedded subs)

Extracted the sub using VideoEdit (.srt)
The re-encoding by Video Mastering Works takes a ...lot... of time.
Right now I can't tell whether it will work (.mp4 + .srt)
Maybe, because of some magical reason, the sub is out of sync .. or whatever.

It is just a try.

As for the frame rates and so on, well, frankly I can't help, it is the source, not mine, and it's all I have

I had 1 video re-encoded by Video Mastering Works. It looks okay, but as said, no subs. So I deleted it (regretfully, as I need to do it again)
This re-encoding takes some 2,5 hours, just have to wait 1,5 hr

[vhwul62]

something like:

ffmpeg -i numbers.m2v -vf bwdif=mode=1:parity=0:deint=0 -c:v libx264 -acodec copy bwdif.mkv

Thank you very much.
Obviously all this does not say anything to me...

Now I need to find the ffmpeg.exe

[hydra3333]

Frame rate mode : Variable

?

I wonder, does that make a diff ?

[jagabo]

Oops, I was using an m2v file to test the command line and forgot to modify the command line I posted here. This might help:

ffmpeg -i input.mkv -vf bwdif=mode=1:parity=0:deint=0 -c:v libx264 -acodec copy output.mkv

Download a full build of 64 bit ffmpeg. Put ffmpeg.exe in C:\Windows\System32 so you don't have to specify the full path whenever you want to use ffmpeg.

ffmpeg -- the program you're going to run
-i input.mkv -- specify the input file
-vf bwdif=mode=1:parity=0:deint=0 -- use video filtering, bwdif deinterlacer, double rate, top field first, deinteralace all frames
-c:v libx264 -- specify the codec used to compress the video, libx264 is an AVC encoder
-acodec copy -- copy the audio from the source video to the output video
output.mkv -- the name of the output video

[vhwul62]

Just to advise that it worked out fine. Create a 1080p using TMPGEnc Video Mastering v6, extract subs using Subtitle Ediit.
All went fine.
Drawback, it takes quite a while.
Anyway, one can leave it running in the background, put the jobs in queue and let it run overnight.

I think I will stick to this procedure, as I know it works and I know how to handle it.

Would like to thank you all for advices/suggestions!

much appreciated.

[vhwul62]

Oops, I was using an m2v file to test the command line and forgot to modify the command line I posted here. This might help:

ffmpeg -i input.mkv -vf bwdif=mode=1:parity=0:deint=0 -c:v libx264 -acodec copy output.mkv

Download a full build of 64 bit ffmpeg. Put ffmpeg.exe in C:\Windows\System32 so you don't have to specify the full path whenever you want to use ffmpeg.

ffmpeg -- the program you're going to run
-i input.mkv -- specify the input file
-vf bwdif=mode=1arity=0:deint=0 -- use video filtering, bwdif deinterlacer, double rate, top field first, deinteralace all frames
-c:v libx264 -- specify the codec used to compress the video, libx264 is an AVC encoder
-acodec copy -- copy the audio from the source video to the output video
output.mkv -- the name of the output video

Thanks a lot!!

I'll write this down and keep it in mind for maybe I need it the next time.

Please accept my apologies for having put you to work and explain all stuff. I really appreciate it...

As said in my earlier post, I know my way now in Video Mastering Works.

Again, thanks!