720 x 480 Aspect Ratio

[CyberDragon33]

Do you know that it is polite to actually answer to someone who responds to you? To actually weight on things and build on that. How about that? Talking to a not responding wall is a challenge also. Look at it from the other side.

How about giving you an answer for a day and ignoring those solutions only answering unrelated things. Starting answer #2, #3 etc, it was you starting giving an attitude in #4 answer. You started it. They were right. Then giving polite lessons. Grow up.

When was there ever any politeness to begin with from other individuals? I'll man up and agree that I wasn't the nicest and I can admit to my faults. Other people have no admitted to their cockiness and douchey approach. That Cornucopus guy is snarky AF and comes off as someone I despise. There's nothing more that pisses me off than someone that's cocky. I'm trying to ask questions and the worst approach is to slide in douchey passive comments that im.a dumbass. There's a difference in providing an answer and being like "hey I'm so right you're such an ignorant ****, what a loser he doesn't know anything so pathetic" kind of attitude. There are several people on here not man enough to admit it because they know it's right

[CyberDragon33]

I'm the one seeking help not providing it.

Since you work in IT, I suppose you know how to ask questions the smart way. In particular,

It sometimes looks like we're reflexively rude to newbies and the ignorant. But this isn't really true.

What we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking questions. People like that are time sinks — they take without giving back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more interesting and another person more worthy of an answer. We call people like this “losers” (and for historical reasons we sometimes spell it “lusers”).

We realize that there are many people who just want to use the software we write, and who have no interest in learning technical details. For most people, a computer is merely a tool, a means to an end; they have more important things to do and lives to live. We acknowledge that, and don't expect everyone to take an interest in the technical matters that fascinate us. Nevertheless, our style of answering questions is tuned for people who do take such an interest and are willing to be active participants in problem-solving. That's not going to change. Nor should it; if it did, we would become less effective at the things we do best.

We're (largely) volunteers. We take time out of busy lives to answer questions, and at times we're overwhelmed with them. So we filter ruthlessly. In particular, we throw away questions from people who appear to be losers in order to spend our question-answering time more efficiently, on winners.

Substitute "workflows we use" for "software we write", and it will be pretty much on the mark for this forum.

So essentially you're saying this entire forum is utterly useless as everything can be searched. Why bother having it in the first place?

[Bwaak]

So essentially you're saying this entire forum is utterly useless as everything can be searched.

Everything can be searched, but often questions remain. You said you worked in IT. Do you have a knowledge base / wiki at your work like Confluence? I actually like a wiki more than a forum.

Why bother having it in the first place?

To resolve issues that have remained unresolved after doing the homework. Also to bicker

[CyberDragon33]

So essentially you're saying this entire forum is utterly useless as everything can be searched.

Everything can be searched, but often questions remain. You said you worked in IT. Do you have a knowledge base / wiki at your work like Confluence? I actually like a wiki more than a forum.

Why bother having it in the first place?

To resolve issues that have remained unresolved after doing the homework. Also to bicker

I'll say it again, then what the hell is this forum even for and why does it exist if everything can be researched? There is a knowledge base of everything. This entire forum and digitalfaq.com should not exist anymore if we need to spend numerous amount of hours trying to find something and make it even harder for ourselves. What is the point of the IT industry even existing if all people need to do is "Google" everything? Do you think its the right approach to just tell someone asking questions and better their understanding "Just Google it" and look it up? If thats what you believe then no help should ever be given to anyone. I don't know everything and I'll admit that I need to look things up but if I need more clarification then I will ask others, but I do not whatsoever appreciate people playing me out as a dumbass and that i'm some kind of inferior human being asking questions like others have stated. There is one person that should never work in IT or anywhere and thats someone thats cocky and think they know everything. I might know certain things but i'm also open to admit that it might not be right and that someone can correct me. The "I'm always Mr. Right" attitude is a massive turn off to anyone.

[lollo]

CyberDragon33, you should stop your criticism abot the forum and its (nice) members.

Skiller is rigth: you are just trolling or acting like that, with 3 big non-sense/bullshit (3:2 DAR, DVD capture better than lossless capture, Topaz VEAI better than AviSynth/VapourSynth).

You have been corrected by valuable members (dellsam34, Sharc, jagabo, Cornucopia, _AI_), and you replied that they were wrong and you were rigth.

So stop your non-sense now, you deserve no additional effort.

[Anonymous84]

Do you know that it is polite to actually answer to someone who responds to you? To actually weight on things and build on that. How about that? Talking to a not responding wall is a challenge also. Look at it from the other side.

Fully agree. Too many "entitled prick" attitude brought by Gen Z on modern forums. Didn't see this 10 years ago. Boomers had better standards. and better upbringing.
And too lax rules for ghosting, another modern cancer. Time to give bans to people who don't thank contributors.

[Alwyn]

I wouldn't make that generalisation too loudly. There are some old farts here who are God's gift, and they tell us so.

Looks like you're trying to be smart but fail miserably.

Ring a bell?

[JN-]

FWIW. I ran the sample through my black bars removal util, (other thread that inspired it) just to see what came out the other end.

Cropped ...

SAR/PAR 1:1
624:464. 1.34482. Basically 4:3 DAR

Played result on modern 16:9 TV, looks fine. Black bars both sides, as expected. None on top and bottom. Similar for original.
------------------------------------------

Original ...
SAR/PAR 1:1
720:480. 1.5. 3:2 DAR.

So perhaps this answers your original question. Probably best to do nothing, leave as is since the cropped 4:3 and 3:2 both display ok.

I have a question regarding 720 x 480 aspect ratio. I understand that this aspect ratio is a 3:2 aspect ratio. My question is that should 720 x 480 be left as a 3:2 aspect ratio or should it be changed to a 4:3 aspect ratio? If its left as a 3:2 aspect ratio how would it look on 16:9 displays compared to it being 4:3 aspect ratio?

[CyberDragon33]

CyberDragon33, you should stop your criticism abot the forum and its (nice) members.

Skiller is rigth: you are just trolling or acting like that, with 3 big non-sense/bullshit (3:2 DAR, DVD capture better than lossless capture, Topaz VEAI better than AviSynth/VapourSynth).

You have been corrected by valuable members (dellsam34, Sharc, jagabo, Cornucopia, _AI_), and you replied that they were wrong and you were rigth.

So stop your non-sense now, you deserve no additional effort.

1. I've never said that dvd capture is better than lossless capture but it's sure as hell better than the capture newer cards like elgato are. I specifically stated the usb devices mostly before 2010 are the best.

2. I never said topaz is better than avisynth/vaporsynth. It is great for upscaling and denoise. Avisynth and vaporsynth are good for other things.

3. I don't find cockniess or the need to shame others for their lack of understanding nice whatsoever. You're added to that list


4. I never said those users are wrong I said their attitude about the way they present information or other comments is wrong.

5. Learn to read and stop putting words in my mouth

[CyberDragon33]

I wouldn't make that generalisation too loudly. There are some old farts here who are God's gift, and they tell us so.

Looks like you're trying to be smart but fail miserably.

Ring a bell?

There needs to be a touch of humbleness from contributors on here and better mannerism. This forum should be treated as if it were customer service and the ones who provide the help lack certain soft and social skills to address certain things. It's blatantly obvious the behavior people on here possess vs a typical customer service or IT help desk scenario. Not from the customer needing help but the person providing it. It's practically the same thing. If you can't stand certain people then you're in for a brutal awakening in the real world. Any advice offered is valid and fine, the attitude and way its presented or other comments from contributors needs to change. If someone doesn't know something then correct them but don't be an ******* about it like Lollo saying people don't deserve answers and other BS. There are many though that don't have this kind of attitude so that's good.

[Sharc]

This forum should be treated as if it were customer service and the ones who provide the help lack certain soft and social skills to address certain things. It's blatantly obvious the behavior people on here possess vs a typical customer service or IT help desk scenario....

There is a slight difference: No one is paid here for providing "friendly customer service"

[CyberDragon33]

This forum should be treated as if it were customer service and the ones who provide the help lack certain soft and social skills to address certain things. It's blatantly obvious the behavior people on here possess vs a typical customer service or IT help desk scenario....

There is a slight difference: No one is paid here for providing "friendly customer service"

That doesn't matter simply being a humble human being with no cockiness is important regardless no matter where you are or what you say

[Cornucopia]

Look in the mirror, pot.


Scott

[Alwyn]

That doesn't matter simply being a humble human being with no cockiness is important regardless no matter where you are or what you say

I'd agree with that. While I wouldn't say your initial few posts were the epitome of humbleness , you're not the first to have been "surprised" by the sometimes brutal responses to obviously innocent posters. And amoung a few here there is definitely a "My way or the highway" mentality.

Probably enough has been said about that now; back to the original issue, are you happy with the answers ie Leave as-is and accept the burned-in black side bars. It will display correctly on a 16:9 screen provided you don't stretch it ie on an LG TV, leave the aspect ratio on "Original". The problem with the burned in bars is they will, on a 4:3 screen (ipad or phone in portrait), make the actual video area narrower (but still in proportion).

[Alwyn]

There is a slight difference: No one is paid here for providing "friendly customer service"

That does not give anybody the right to effectively abuse people who, sometimes quite innocently, have the "wrong" idea about something.

[Bwaak]

The problem with the burned in bars is they will, on a 4:3 screen (ipad or phone in portrait), make the actual video area narrower (but still in proportion).

Pillarboxing sucks:https://youtu.be/wV_XnXRECUQ
No boxing is good: https://youtu.be/WdWJPVREvJ4

[dellsam34]

That does not give anybody the right to effectively abuse people who, sometimes quite innocently, have the "wrong" idea about something.

No, He was told he was wrong numerous times with evidence and we tried to reason with him but he kept doubling down, Why members have to put up with this? Normally members like these get banned quickly. These type of threads don't benefit anyone reading them later, it's even confusing for a lot of newbies reading them because the person asking the question defies the diagnosis of the problem. It's like having an illness and you disagree with all the doctors' opinions that you visited.

[Bwaak]

It's like having an illness and you disagree with all the doctors' opinions that you visited.

Understandable behavior of someone with terminal stage of leukemia.

[dellsam34]

Good one.

[_Al_]

Alwyn - please, get real,
I quote Corncopia, first response, btw. he is the Dude who warns about this 3:2 issue nonstop, then he writes this, again first input of his in that thread:

See what I mean about SAR (storage AR) effing people up? This person knows just enough to get themselves into trouble, but not enough to get themselves out, nor know how/why they got there in the first place.

O vainglorious one, if you truly know that these are 3:2, please do show us where in the file(s) that ratio is stored/encoded?

Scott

... effing people up, is not rude, it is just a mentioning how it screws people constantly up, again, it is not personal at all, op was just one of those confused folks, looking for a mystery sar to fix it. It is a particular problem, why folks, though told multiple times, what was going on, still bringing it up. It is a sigh,...., not personal at all. He was talking in a general sense. The other dude, though he is English speaker, had his eye going red, he should recognize it was is a harmful frustrated response, but answers this:

Do you have any reading comprehension or do you just make crap up?

That is how a conflict starts between him on cornucopia, mind you, at forums you have to distinguish who do you respond to, depending what you were told what by whom. He just out of the blue decided talk to the most polite members like that. What is your take on this? Who was the bully then? All of this is really getting ridicules. At that moment the op was a bully, and he even did not realize that!

[Alwyn]

All of this is really getting ridicules.

It is getting ridiculous and that's why I will say no more on it.

[lollo]

1. I've never said that dvd capture is better than lossless capture but it's sure as hell better than the capture newer cards like elgato are. I specifically stated the usb devices mostly before 2010 are the best.

You wrote: "I have tried the capture cards available brand new and they were not as good as dvd recorder method. Even tried the elgato and it wasn't good." https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/413743-720-x-480-Aspect-Ratio#post2727220

You wrote: "I've tried multiple new capture cards they're all pretty bad. I find that doing it via dvd recording is the best and even professional businesses do it this way for a living. USB cards don't seem to get the quality very well." https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/413743-720-x-480-Aspect-Ratio#post2727228

You wrote: "I've tried all the popular one brand new. None of them are as good as doing the dvd recorder method that I have done. Professionals spend multiple hours and earn money doing the dvd recorder method. I even went to them to ask what they do and none of them use usb devices this has been recent." https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/413743-720-x-480-Aspect-Ratio#post2727236

2. I never said topaz is better than avisynth/vaporsynth. It is great for upscaling and denoise. Avisynth and vaporsynth are good for other things.

You wrote: "Final step: I own avc video enhancer software for denoise which is excellent.... I use avc software as my final step because all other denoise methods are crap. It gets the cleanest video." https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/413743-720-x-480-Aspect-Ratio#post2727220

3. I don't find cockniess or the need to shame others for their lack of understanding nice whatsoever. You're added to that list

Happy to be on that side, if it concerns my aptitude to you

4. I never said those users are wrong I said their attitude about the way they present information or other comments is wrong.

No comment, reading your previous posts is enough

5. Learn to read and stop putting words in my mouth

Learn to understand what you write before telling me what to do. You are a troll / act like a troll, and answer as an idiot. End of the discussion.

[Anonymous84]

Bunch of crybabies here who can't stop trash talking, all of you.

[Baldrick]

Yep. Thread closed.