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[Anonymous84]

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[lingyi]

2.5" hard drives max out at 5TB. All 3.5" hard drives require an additional 12V power supply.

The only hard drive manufacturers are WD, Seagate and Toshiba.

If you want a >5TB USB powered drive, you have to get an SSD, which is very expensive compared to hard drives.

In theory, IF your USB-C port and cable supplies the 12V passthrough, you could DIY a breakout to use that power a 3.5" external drive. But there's no off the shelf solution that I'm aware of.

There was a 3.5" external that ran off USB-C, but has been discontinued. Very likely because not all USB-C ports and cables support the 12V power line.

[Anonymous84]

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[Subtitles]

Are there any on the market from reputable brands?

Currently using a couple of WD MyPassport 4TB HDDs powered by USB cable but I'm slowly running out of space.

Trying to double the capacity but all external 8TB HDDs or greater requires additional power line plugged in.

I have several WD MyPassport 4TB and 5TB drives and they work well so far. I prefer several drives instead of just one big size to minimize the risk of failure as I would loose all the data.
I plan to buy soon two more 5TB MyPassport Ultra drives the new version (blue). They are slightly more expensive (Support USB-C and USB 3.1)

[ProWo]

https://blog.seagate.com/consumers/the-worlds-first-usb-powered-desktop-external-drive/

[lingyi]

I recommend not buying 2.5" WD or Toshiba externals because:

The USB port and interface are integrated into the mainboard, unlike Seagate portables which are regular SATA drives with a detachable interface. If/when the interface fails on a WD or Toshiba, you have to mod the board to a SATA interface for data recovery. Which is every expensive, $$$.

In addition, Passport drives have an encryption chip that must be bypassed for data recovery, which incurs an extra fee.

https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/data-recovery-prices/#usbpcb

Don't pay extra for USB-C or USB 3.1. USB 3.0 is more than enough for any hard drive because the available bandwidth is ~480MB/s, but any conventional hard drive maxes out at ~200-250MB/s.*

*Seagate's new 3.5" Mach 2 hard drives, which use two actuators reportedly can hit up to 524MB/s, but that technology is new and limited to 3.5" drives only.

[kyrcy]

I recommend not buying 2.5" WD or Toshiba externals because:

The USB port and interface are integrated into the mainboard, unlike Seagate portables which are regular SATA drives with a detachable interface. If/when the interface fails on a WD or Toshiba, you have to mod the board to a SATA interface for data recovery. Which is every expensive, $$$.

In addition, Passport drives have an encryption chip that must be bypassed for data recovery, which incurs an extra fee.

https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/data-recovery-prices/#usbpcb

Don't pay extra for USB-C or USB 3.1. USB 3.0 is more than enough for any hard drive because the available bandwidth is ~480MB/s, but any conventional hard drive maxes out at ~200-250MB/s.*

*Seagate's new 3.5" Mach 2 hard drives, which use two actuators reportedly can hit up to 524MB/s, but that technology is new and limited to 3.5" drives only.

Is there not a 2.5" SATA hard disk inside Toshiba Canvio (P/N:HDTC610XK3B1) that could be used in a different enclosure? What about Verbatim Store 'n' Go (#53023)?

[zing269]

Is there not a 2.5" SATA hard disk inside Toshiba Canvio (P/N:HDTC610XK3B1) that could be used in a different enclosure? What about Verbatim Store 'n' Go (#53023)?

I don't know about that specific drive but the Toshiba Canvio drive that I had did not have a standard SATA connector, the usb connector was wired directly to the drive's circuit board. No way to use it in another enclosure.

[lingyi]

I never owned a Toshiba portable, but according to reports they haven't been regular SATA drives for years. As for Verbatim or any other third party portable, check the SMART with a program like CrystalDiskInfo and if the drive is anything other than a Seagate, it's very likely not to have a standard SATA drive inside.

In addition, any third party portable or 3.5" external maker can change their drive supplier at any time. The exceptions are LaCie, which is owned by Seagate and Sandisk Pro/G-Tech(nology)/G-Drive which is owned by WD.

The real mystery is why WD and Toshiba does this? In theory, it may reduce the chance of failure vs a detachable interface, but the more likely answer is that it forces you to by a new drive when the interface fails.

[Anonymous84]

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[october262]

I recommend not buying 2.5" WD or Toshiba externals because:

The USB port and interface are integrated into the mainboard, unlike Seagate portables which are regular SATA drives with a detachable interface. If/when the interface fails on a WD or Toshiba, you have to mod the board to a SATA interface for data recovery. Which is every expensive, $$$.

In addition, Passport drives have an encryption chip that must be bypassed for data recovery, which incurs an extra fee.

https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/data-recovery-prices/#usbpcb

Don't pay extra for USB-C or USB 3.1. USB 3.0 is more than enough for any hard drive because the available bandwidth is ~480MB/s, but any conventional hard drive maxes out at ~200-250MB/s.*

*Seagate's new 3.5" Mach 2 hard drives, which use two actuators reportedly can hit up to 524MB/s, but that technology is new and limited to 3.5" drives only.

That's why I'm using second HDD for the backup plus cloud backup. So essentially two backups to mitigate risk of hardware failure. Even if two HDDs stop working at the same time (unlikely but possible), I'll just buy new one and restore from cloud.

I never owned a Toshiba portable, but according to reports they haven't been regular SATA drives for years. As for Verbatim or any other third party portable, check the SMART with a program like CrystalDiskInfo and if the drive is anything other than a Seagate, it's very likely not to have a standard SATA drive inside.

In addition, any third party portable or 3.5" external maker can change their drive supplier at any time. The exceptions are LaCie, which is owned by Seagate and Sandisk Pro/G-Tech(nology)/G-Drive which is owned by WD.

The real mystery is why WD and Toshiba does this? In theory, it may reduce the chance of failure vs a detachable interface, but the more likely answer is that it forces you to by a new drive when the interface fails.

Wouldn't be surprised by this. Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you like but plenty of companies today make stuff aimed not to be too durable and for long. Stuff made by accountants not by engineers. So it fails after its lifespan is met and you need to buy new one from them and your money spent keep them floating in the business.

consider getting one of these - https://www.ebay.com/itm/355119534051?hash=item52aec60fe3:g:KhIAAOSw3UplMWHE&amdata=en...Bk9SR5SvlvKDYw

has support for up to 8TB M.2 NVME USB 3 & USB C. & no external power adapter is required.

[Anonymous84]

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[october262]

I recommend not buying 2.5" WD or Toshiba externals because:

The USB port and interface are integrated into the mainboard, unlike Seagate portables which are regular SATA drives with a detachable interface. If/when the interface fails on a WD or Toshiba, you have to mod the board to a SATA interface for data recovery. Which is every expensive, $$$.

In addition, Passport drives have an encryption chip that must be bypassed for data recovery, which incurs an extra fee.

https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/data-recovery-prices/#usbpcb

Don't pay extra for USB-C or USB 3.1. USB 3.0 is more than enough for any hard drive because the available bandwidth is ~480MB/s, but any conventional hard drive maxes out at ~200-250MB/s.*

*Seagate's new 3.5" Mach 2 hard drives, which use two actuators reportedly can hit up to 524MB/s, but that technology is new and limited to 3.5" drives only.

That's why I'm using second HDD for the backup plus cloud backup. So essentially two backups to mitigate risk of hardware failure. Even if two HDDs stop working at the same time (unlikely but possible), I'll just buy new one and restore from cloud.

I never owned a Toshiba portable, but according to reports they haven't been regular SATA drives for years. As for Verbatim or any other third party portable, check the SMART with a program like CrystalDiskInfo and if the drive is anything other than a Seagate, it's very likely not to have a standard SATA drive inside.

In addition, any third party portable or 3.5" external maker can change their drive supplier at any time. The exceptions are LaCie, which is owned by Seagate and Sandisk Pro/G-Tech(nology)/G-Drive which is owned by WD.

The real mystery is why WD and Toshiba does this? In theory, it may reduce the chance of failure vs a detachable interface, but the more likely answer is that it forces you to by a new drive when the interface fails.

Wouldn't be surprised by this. Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you like but plenty of companies today make stuff aimed not to be too durable and for long. Stuff made by accountants not by engineers. So it fails after its lifespan is met and you need to buy new one from them and your money spent keep them floating in the business.

consider getting one of these - https://www.ebay.com/itm/355119534051?hash=item52aec60fe3:g:KhIAAOSw3UplMWHE&amdata=en...Bk9SR5SvlvKDYw

has support for up to 8TB M.2 NVME USB 3 & USB C. & no external power adapter is required.

Hey thanks. But I have no free USB-C ports in the laptop. To power up my external HDDs I use below hub:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61NwsZMBAHL.jpg

So to use your HDD do I need to buy USB-C hub separately, or I buy USB-A to USB-C cable converter?

this is the one i have - https://www.orico.cc/usmobile/product/detail/id/7822
the USB A adapter is built in to the USB C cable.

[Alwyn]

I sincerely hope it's not 15.5cm high (and the others)!

[Anonymous84]

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[kyrcy]

I never owned a Toshiba portable, but according to reports they haven't been regular SATA drives for years. As for Verbatim or any other third party portable, check the SMART with a program like CrystalDiskInfo and if the drive is anything other than a Seagate, it's very likely not to have a standard SATA drive inside.

In addition, any third party portable or 3.5" external maker can change their drive supplier at any time. The exceptions are LaCie, which is owned by Seagate and Sandisk Pro/G-Tech(nology)/G-Drive which is owned by WD.

The real mystery is why WD and Toshiba does this? In theory, it may reduce the chance of failure vs a detachable interface, but the more likely answer is that it forces you to by a new drive when the interface fails.

CrystalDiskInfo identifies the hard disk inside Toshiba Canvio as belonging to MQ01ABD Series.

https://storage.toshiba.com/internal-specialty-hdd/pc/mq01abd-series

I suppose I will have to open it up to find out for sure, but could this still be not a SATA?

[lingyi]

Yes. There are no special drives for any external.

[october262]

I recommend not buying 2.5" WD or Toshiba externals because:

The USB port and interface are integrated into the mainboard, unlike Seagate portables which are regular SATA drives with a detachable interface. If/when the interface fails on a WD or Toshiba, you have to mod the board to a SATA interface for data recovery. Which is every expensive, $$$.

In addition, Passport drives have an encryption chip that must be bypassed for data recovery, which incurs an extra fee.

https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/data-recovery-prices/#usbpcb

Don't pay extra for USB-C or USB 3.1. USB 3.0 is more than enough for any hard drive because the available bandwidth is ~480MB/s, but any conventional hard drive maxes out at ~200-250MB/s.*

*Seagate's new 3.5" Mach 2 hard drives, which use two actuators reportedly can hit up to 524MB/s, but that technology is new and limited to 3.5" drives only.

That's why I'm using second HDD for the backup plus cloud backup. So essentially two backups to mitigate risk of hardware failure. Even if two HDDs stop working at the same time (unlikely but possible), I'll just buy new one and restore from cloud.

I never owned a Toshiba portable, but according to reports they haven't been regular SATA drives for years. As for Verbatim or any other third party portable, check the SMART with a program like CrystalDiskInfo and if the drive is anything other than a Seagate, it's very likely not to have a standard SATA drive inside.

In addition, any third party portable or 3.5" external maker can change their drive supplier at any time. The exceptions are LaCie, which is owned by Seagate and Sandisk Pro/G-Tech(nology)/G-Drive which is owned by WD.

The real mystery is why WD and Toshiba does this? In theory, it may reduce the chance of failure vs a detachable interface, but the more likely answer is that it forces you to by a new drive when the interface fails.

Wouldn't be surprised by this. Call it a conspiracy theory or whatever you like but plenty of companies today make stuff aimed not to be too durable and for long. Stuff made by accountants not by engineers. So it fails after its lifespan is met and you need to buy new one from them and your money spent keep them floating in the business.

consider getting one of these - https://www.ebay.com/itm/355119534051?hash=item52aec60fe3:g:KhIAAOSw3UplMWHE&amdata=en...Bk9SR5SvlvKDYw

has support for up to 8TB M.2 NVME USB 3 & USB C. & no external power adapter is required.

Hey thanks. But I have no free USB-C ports in the laptop. To power up my external HDDs I use below hub:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61NwsZMBAHL.jpg

So to use your HDD do I need to buy USB-C hub separately, or I buy USB-A to USB-C cable converter?

this is the one i have - https://www.orico.cc/usmobile/product/detail/id/7822
the USB A adapter is built in to the USB C cable.

Real nice thanks. Are you using 8TB capacity for it? How hot are they?

right now i just have a 1TB NVME in one of the bays, and for it getting hot, so for
it's just barely warm when in use. both bays can use up to 4TB each.

the one i linked to in post #11 can use up to 8TB but only one NVME can be used in the case
at a time.

[Anonymous84]

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