Video2000 Capturing via antenna?

[peter12]

Hi,

i got some Video2000 tapes and a recorder from my uncle.
He wants me to digitalise these tapes with private recordings.
The recorder is a Loewe OC11M.
It has only "antenna in" "antenna out" and two connections i dont know.

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He dont want to spend to much money in the project. Thats why DVD Recording is not an option for him.

Is there a solution via USB grabber?

https://www.amazon.de/SCART-zu-Wandler-Videoadapter-RF-Ausgangskonverter-mit-TV-Box-50...0047091&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UTF8&spc=MTo2NjE3MTk4OTI2Njc5NjgzOjE3MDAwNDY2MDM6...T1zcF9kZXRhaWw - already available
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BN5RSP45/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0BN5RSP45&pd_...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
https://www.amazon.com/sspa/click?ie=UTF8&spc=MTozMDYxOTc1ODQyODI4NjgzOjE3MDAwNDY2NzY6...hdGY%26psc%3D1 - already available

The links are just examples. If anyone has better ideas/equipment please let me know.

Sorry for my bad english. i tried my best.

Greetings

[Cornucopia]

See that connection port labelled "AV"? That stands for Audio-Video. That is the one you want to use. If you cannot procure a user manual or better, a service manual, you will have to figure out what each pin does. But it shouldn't be too hard: that era didn't have stereo videotapes, so audio-wise there should only be 2 pins used for that (signal & ground). The video signal is probably composite, not y-c or full component, especially if those tapes are not made in color, so that should also just be 2 pins (signal, ground). The hardest part is finding a plug that matches that style/shape, although you can get around that by opening the machine and tapping into the leads jus prior to the jack. If you do that for video & audio both, you should end up with 2 cables terminating in standard RCA plugs (with the "signal" of each in the central portion of the plug, and the ground in the circumference). It is unlikely, but possible, that both signals share a common ground.

Scott

[Cornucopia]

Are you sure that is not an "antenna out" but rather "monitor out"? In which case, that actually might be the most straightforward connection point, at least for video. Looks like it could be a recessed RCA or BNC plug.

Scott

[Moody_Blues]

You need a 6-pin DIN connector to Cinch. Then a grabber that has Cinch inputs. Most likely only the red or the white cable will deliver audio since that old recoder was for sure Mono and not Stereo. The yellow cable is for the video signal.

https://www.adapterwelt.net/p/din-stecker-6-polig-auf-3-x-cinch-2-0-m

[peter12]

You need a 6-pin DIN connector to Cinch. Then a grabber that has Cinch inputs. Most likely only the red or the white cable will deliver audio since that old recoder was for sure Mono and not Stereo. The yellow cable is for the video signal.

https://www.adapterwelt.net/p/din-stecker-6-polig-auf-3-x-cinch-2-0-m

Thank you, that is what i am looking for.


I dont want to buy a cheap grabber. But also the ones for more money sometimes have bad quality.
So anything in the middle should be good enough for the job.
Any suggestions for a good grabber anyway?

[Cornucopia]

Sounds like German "cinch" = English "RCA" (named after the company that created them).

Scott

[usually_quiet]

Sounds like German "cinch" = English "RCA" (named after the company that created them).

Scott

I seem to recall some members from the U.K. using "Cinch" instead of "RCA". Might the use of "Cinch" simply be more common in Europe?

[Cornucopia]

That's a very good possibility.


Scott

[Sharc]

I dont want to buy a cheap grabber. But also the ones for more money sometimes have bad quality.
So anything in the middle should be good enough for the job.
Any suggestions for a good grabber anyway?

You may want to try this one:
https://www.hauppauge.de/site/products/data_usblive2.html
It has "cinch" aka RCA connectors.

[pandy]

Are you sure that is not an "antenna out" but rather "monitor out"? In which case, that actually might be the most straightforward connection point, at least for video. Looks like it could be a recessed RCA or BNC plug.

Scott

This is pass trough connection - Antenna IN and TV OUT.

And Cinch is definitely not german name

[Cornucopia]

If that is passthrough, then it is not the optimal one to use. Better to use baseband composite out (via the adapter) rather than RF.


Scott

[Moody_Blues]

Cinch is the same as RCA but commonly used in Europe while RCA is used in the US. He should use the composite out coming from that DIN plug with the adaptor I linked. That Hauppauge part linked by Sharc is a potential converter that could be used but I have zero experience with it or any else from competitors. Everything that uses the HF data (antenna out) will decrease quality.

[pandy]

If that is passthrough, then it is not the optimal one to use. Better to use baseband composite out (via the adapter) rather than RF.


Scott

Almost sure it is pass trough - it allows VCR to record aerial broadcast and watch on TV recorded material, also TV can use own tuner so you can record and watch at the same time two different channels - common configuration in those times.
And yes, i agree - using CVBS is recommended - only adapter rated at 27 Euro is way too much in my opinion but this is somehow tricky DIN connector - i see it very first time - i blame German for this - normally you had or RCA or SCART (in VCR's after 1990) - DIN connectors was popular in 70/80's - this is probably because V2000 system - probably present only in part of Europe (mostly western).

[Moody_Blues]

Yes, the adaptor is way to expensive if you buy some connectors and you are familiar with soldering.

[peter12]

A HUGE THANKS to Sharc and Moody_Blues!!

I found a cheaper "6-pin DIN connector to Cinch" only 0.6m long for 15 Euro. Thats enough for me, the grabber has also some cabel range.
Still not cheap but if there is no need for this the seller can set the price higher.


Unluckily Video2000 was never a success. Only in Germany and some other western European Countries this system was sold.
But when VHS began to go big out of japan the end of Video2000 was final.

[Moody_Blues]

You need to read why Video 2000 and Betamax were unsuccessful vs. VHS. Google it. The porn industry put itheir videos on VHS while the other 2 guys didn't want to get involved with that.

[dellsam34]

You need to read why Video 2000 and Betamax were unsuccessful vs. VHS. Google it. The porn industry put itheir videos on VHS while the other 2 guys didn't want to get involved with that.

No, complete non sense, Porn was offered on Beta, There are other factors like licensing and cost of the system and more, Porn was never one of them.

[Moody_Blues]

You need to read why Video 2000 and Betamax were unsuccessful vs. VHS. Google it. The porn industry put itheir videos on VHS while the other 2 guys didn't want to get involved with that.

No, complete non sense, Porn was offered on Beta, There are other factors like licensing and cost of the system and more, Porn was never one of them.

Here is a link that proves what I told but unfortunately only in German. Just use a translation plug-in.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formatkrieg_(Videorekorder)

[peter12]

But if you read the article correct it says something more important.
VHS was for developed for private use only. The simple construction made cheap devices possible. This was the main thing why VHS got big on the market.
The porn industry was important but not the main reason.


Beta and Video2000 was expensive for intensive use. Take a closer look at mail order catalog from the beginning 80s to mid 80s.
When VHS came the prices were cheaper for this system. And the range of movie-tapes was a bigger.

[Moody_Blues]

But if you read the article correct it say something more important.
VHS was for developed for private use only. The simple construction made cheap devices possible. This was the main thing why VHS got big on the market.
The porn industry was important but not the main reason.

Actually I just saw that the statements of the article are heavily critized on this page:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Formatkrieg_(Videorekorder)

I believe what's written here is closer to the truth.

[Bwaak]

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Here is a link that proves what I told but unfortunately only in German. Just use a translation plug-in.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formatkrieg_(Videorekorder)

Wikipedia does not prove anything, it is simply a collection of references, not a primary source of truth. The validity of wikipedia information is only as good as the validity of its sources.

VHS won because it offered 2-hour tape and because JVC was giving the license to produce VHS equipment almost to anyone, while Sony behaved like Apple.

[pandy]

VHS was good enough for home use and it was relatively cheap due JVC open license policy (IBM made something similar for PC). Beta was closed and V2000 too complex (Philips overengineered it so even if technically superior it was unpopular even in Europe)