Improving the quality of old family videos.

[echocoder]

@poisondeathray , thanks for that information about the information on the containers and VCD.
I already have uploaded a sample picture of the white lines and the distortion in #11 but I can get their video samples if you need in another couple of hours.
As for a general sample of the video I have attached it here : https://files.videohelp.com/u/306690/sample.mkv

[echocoder]

Sure @lollo, I am not at all looking for professional results here, I would have gone to a professional brick and mortar photoshop then. I am just trying to learn stuff along the way and I really appreciate @Selur using an alternative approach for some result. I don't have a lot of depth of knowledge in this field and am just starting out. I sincerely thank everyone for their contribution to the thread in some form or the other.
Thank You All, Cheers.
P.S. Some of you guys joined the forum when I was just one or four years old.

[Alwyn]

It was a nice attempt using an alternative approach, not a nice result, from somebody who does not need to prove anything, especially to a minimalist beginner.

Arrh yes, the classic putdown. Nice try, champ.

Concerning denoising, NeatVideo is not really a few clicks tool, and requires the same effort than AviSynth/VapourSynth to produce same or inferior results.

Rubbish.

When not used in the proper way produces mediocre results.

Just like AVISynth Spotless.

Even because in that conditions looks good to newbies because somehow remove all the grain with the noise, and we all know that some grain and some noise is essential to keep a “natural” look of the analog captured videos.

That has nothing to do with the software and everything to do with the user. Some NEOPHYTE could do the same with AVISynth, or don't neophyte users of AVISynth exist?

@Lollo, put your money where your mouth is and give us your superior-in-every-way version of this video. I'd be interested in the other AVISynthers posting their efforts as well. Or are us neophytes just being told to use it because you say it is the best and stop arguing.

As Lollo harangues Lordsmurf, "prove it with facts".

My point is that for the thousands, if not millions of people out there who just want decent video off their tapes and who cannot afford the time and effort (or don't have the capacity-have you coders thought of that before you put down us mere mortals?), there are workable solutions that produce good videos that will achieve the aim: enjoyment of times past.

[lollo]

Arrh yes, the classic putdown. Nice try, champ.

You interpretation and distortion of the reality. I have no comment about that.

Rubbish.

The real Rubbish here is your newby minimalist aptitude to promote lower quality solutions.

Just like AVISynth Spotless.

Out of contest. Repeat with me: "Spotless is not a denoiser"

That has nothing to do with the software and everything to do with the user. Some NEOPHYTE could do the same with AVISynth, or don't neophyte users of AVISynth exist?

Sure, but they evolve and do not stay with first initial lower quality results, as you do.

@Lollo, put your money where your mouth is and give us your superior-in-every-way version of this video. I'd be interested in the other AVISynthers posting their efforts as well. Or are us neophytes just being told to use it because you say it is the best and stop arguing.

Not this time, beause there is no need to prove anything. There are hundreds of posts of mine here, on doom'9 and digitalfaq with my scripts and my results. Sometimes also comparing with your poor quality results (the last here: https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/410390-I-am-ready-to-rip-my-hair-out-need-help-cap...=1#post2697887 and one of the last here: https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/407467-Vhs-capture-advice/page8

My point is that for the thousands, if not millions of people out there who just want decent video off their tapes and who cannot afford the time and effort (or don't have the capacity-have you coders thought of that before you put down us mere mortals?), there are workable solutions that produce good videos that will achieve the aim: enjoyment of times past.

I agree, and appreciate your effort to write newbies guides for newbies, just to show where to click on the menus of the software in usage. But we should evolve!
Everybody is a mere mortal. Your minimalist approach produces lower quality results, that can be improved with just a little more effort, and we should promote that. I understand you spent weeks to have QTGMC operating or not being able to properly install HuffYUV (as testified by some of your posts), but not everybody is like that.

Nothing personal here, just explaining my point ov view!

[johnmeyer]

John, Selur was using Spotless trying to reduce the white bands defect, not to denoise. Impossible task, anyhow.

Ah, I didn't pick up on that. That actually would be a good use for it.

NeatVideo is not really a few clicks tool, and requires the same effort than AviSynth/VapourSynth to produce same or inferior results. When not used in the proper way produces mediocre results. Even because in that conditions looks good to newbies because somehow remove all the grain with the noise, and we all know that some grain and some noise is essential to keep a “natural” look of the analog captured videos.

I totally agree. While total noise removal is possible (take a look at Peter Jackson's restoration of the Beatles 16mm film in "Get Back") in most cases the result does not look natural. Video noise and film grain, because they are random, have a certain "natural" quality that, while obtrusive, is not offensive. Put another way, it's like noise in a restaurant: it may be annoying, but you expect it, and don't notice it after awhile. By contrast, the artifacts introduced by some denoisers, like the remaining grain after denoising which starts to correlate and move in unison, is very unnatural and far more obnoxious.

[Selur]

more fun,...

[echocoder]

@poisondeathray, Here is the clip showing the moving horizontal white line and several other abnormalities as I have mentioned along in the conversations.
https://files.videohelp.com/u/306690/sample_2.mkv