Can I Rip the Full Screen rather than 16:9?

[JTrope]

I always seem to get the 16:9 version of a DVD when I rip it. Then I have problems getting it to look right on my TV.

Is there a way I can rip the DVD and somehow tell smartripper to get me the full screen version? Sometimes the DVD has both versions on the disc , of course.

If that's not possible, can I encode it to play full screen when my video source is 16:9?

Thanks!

[MITSUI_1]

You'd be better off to just figure out what you're doing wrong right now in getting the 16:9 to work right.

For one thing, if you use the full screen version you're losing the director's original "vision" of the movie (since stuff is lopped of and panned and scanned). This is not so important to some people, but I think it is significant.

Secondly, you lost qualiyt since your limited number of bits per second are spread over more visual information. (In a 16:9 encode the "black bars" take almost none of the bitrate).


Try this: Take your *.d2v file and use avisynth to feed it to your encoder with this script:

LoadPlugin("c:\[path]\mpeg2dec.dll")
Mpeg2Source ("c:\[path]\video.d2v")
BicubicResize(480,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)


Or if you want to use 1/2D1 resolution, replace the resize line with "BicubicResize(352,360)" and leave the addborders stuff the same.



For more info on frameserving, go here:
http://forum.vcdhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=87270

or here:

http://forum.vcdhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=78221

[JTrope]

Great reply. Lots of info for me to study. Thanks! But can you give me a quick answer as well.... can I choose which aspect ratio to rip?

[JTrope]

Great reply. Lots of info for me to study. Thanks! But can you give me a quick answer as well.... can I choose which aspect ratio to rip?

[kjmacke]

Since you have the widescreen movie already ripped you should just go ahead and encode it with TMPGnc. In TMPGEnc under advance tab select center custom size. If you change the size to 400x200 for vcd it will only show alittle of the black bars I mean very little. This will cut some of your sides off but the faces won't look too long or to squashed. Other people choose full screen and that's when you get the long and skinny faces. Give it a shot you have nothing but time to lose.

[JTrope]

I will try this as soon as I get home. Worst case... I add another coaster to my collection. I am up to 72 coasters now! LOL

[MITSUI_1]

Are you sure the DVD has both aspect ratios?

If so, its just a matter of pointing smartripper to the right stream.

Some DVDs put the two aspect rations on the other "side" of the disk (e.g., the original Bram Stoker's Dracula disc). Others are "dual layer" discs and have both aspect rations on the same side. For those, you will probably have to investigate a bit to find the stream that is the "full screen" version.

Still think you'd be better off encoding the 16:9

I should point out that my previous post speaks to conversion to SVCD. If you want to do VCD, or want to use TMPGenc, I can give you more details there.

Question: Why don't you post the settings you're using right now and we'll try to see what you're doing wrong.

[JTrope]

Yes I was referring to a VCD.

The DVD is the Last Castle, and you are given the option of WideScreen or Full Screen.

I used Smartripper to rip, and then DVD2AVI. Both applications tell me the movie is 16:9 at 23.976FPS.

I encoded with TMPENG and tries a number of combinations. Finally after numerous tries, I did get one combination to look ok. That was when I set the video source to 16:9 and output to full screen keep aspect ratio 2.

The VCD played ok, but was very small on my tv. The black bars at the top and bottom were nearly as big as the movie.

Basically I am looking for the knowledge to encode a VCD to play full screen when I am forced to work with 16:9. Now that I think about it, a number of my previous VCD's were not successful ( the people are squished ). Those were wide screen formats as well.

Regards,

John

[Trailryder]

smartripper automatically chooses a track and it might not be the one you're wanting. you have to look at the other tracks, compare file sizes and such and just look around til you find the track you want.

[kjmacke]

I read your post on how to work it when you are 16:9. Here is my post again for you to read. Since you have the widescreen movie already ripped you should just go ahead and encode it with TMPGnc. In TMPGEnc under advance tab select center custom size. If you change the size to 400x200 for vcd it will only show alittle of the black bars I mean very little. This will cut some of your sides off but the faces won't look too long or to squashed. Other people choose full screen and that's when you get the long and skinny faces. Give it a shot you have nothing but time to lose.

[poopyhead]

i have to agree with MITSUI_1 on the benefits of WS over FS...

as for the last castle, since it has basically 2 movies on the same side of the DVD (WS and FS version)....when this is the case, most of the time, the WS will be 16:9 in dvd2avi, FS will be 4:3 in dvd2avi (btw, don't trust smartripper in telling you wut the aspect ratio is...cuz it's unreliable)

wut i did w/ last castle was to rip a very small portion of the vob set that smartripper automatically chooses in "movie mode"...then i loaded that small portion into dvd2av and previewed it (f5) to find out the source aspect ratio...if it isn't the one i wanted...i deleted the vob file that i just ripped and go back to smartripper and choose the other set of vobs files that smartripper didn't choose (approximately the same size as the first set of vob files)

once you rip the full screen version of the movie, there's no need to crop or resize your dvd rip cuz the source is already full screen...

in tmpgenc, for SOURCE settings, source aspect ratio should be wutever dvd2avi said it was (most likely 4:3 for FS version in this case), image positioing method should be full screen (preserve aspect ratio)

in tmpgenc, for OUTPUT settings, choose 4:3 display, NTSC

btw, in dvd2avi....the fps it indicates is not the fps of the vobs...the fps depends on whether you have forced film enabled or not...give it a try...if you enable force film and then create your project file, the fps will be 23.976....if you turn off force film, then the fps will be reported as 29.97 fps for the exact same vob files

basically, all movies are played back at 29.97 fps on your TV...the only difference is that if you have a FILM, progressive source, then it's better to enable force film and encode it at 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown (so that it will play as 29.97 fps)