Authoring 1080p 10 Bit H.265

[C.C. 95]

I have yet to find a program that will allow me to author a Blu ray that is encoded 10 Bit 1080p H.265.
DVDFAB, LEAWO, etc. only allow 10 bit and H.265 for 2160p files. (They will ACCEPT and author the 1080p 10 bit Hevc files- But will re-encode them down to 8 bit AVC).
Since a blu ray disc is only a storage medium- it seems odd that the authoring programs would not allow files of ANY resolution to take advantage of the better compression of HEVC.
(Not just 4K files)
I emailed TMPGEnc/Pegasus to see if their AuthoringWorks program allows this.(fingers crossed)....
But, it feels like a huge oversight for the other programs - Hevc is just another codec.

[4kblurayguru]

I have yet to find a program that will allow me to author a Blu ray that is encoded 10 Bit 1080p H.265...

burn the video as data
it will not play on a regular BD player but on computer

I emailed TMPGEnc/Pegasus to see if their AuthoringWorks program allows this.

i email them already, they have no plans to add UHD authoring.

[Anakin]

I also would love this feature!

[Cornucopia]

That is not what "authoring" is about.

You just want a file or series of files. You can fairly easily create them with a number of encoders. And you should be able to play them with a number of general media players. On various media, not just BD discs.


Scott

[C.C. 95]

That is not what "authoring" is about.

You just want a file or series of files. You can fairly easily create them with a number of encoders. And you should be able to play them with a number of general media players. On various media, not just BD discs.


Scott

Yes- I used to use the Data File trick back in the day putting 1080p files on DVDs.
I can author a blu ray that is HEVC 2160p. Why should the hevc codec be limited by resolution within the program? Since the codec itself is resolution agnostic.

[Cornucopia]

The POINT of authoring is to author (compile/build a title) according to a set of standards so there is universality in features and ease of access.

You can go off-spec all you want, but don't expect apps that are geared for compatibility to then start giving you a bunch of incompatible options. You don't need to be compatible if you're only needing to share & satisfy yourself. And if you don't need to be compatible, you don't need to author, and you can choose whatever options work for you. Or even build your own apps to get what you want.

Btw, don't kid yourself. ALL codecs have resolution (and other) limits, whether by spec or in practice.

Scott

[johns0]

Easiest way to watch what you want is to get a media device player that connects to your tv and just plug in a usb flash drive with the video's on it,you can burn the videos to a blu-ray as data and extract what you want to watch later.To me authoring is too cumbersome with all the stuff involved getting a working disc.

[C.C. 95]

The POINT of authoring is to author (compile/build a title) according to a set of standards so there is universality in features and ease of access.

You can go off-spec all you want, but don't expect apps that are geared for compatibility to then start giving you a bunch of incompatible options. You don't need to be compatible if you're only needing to share & satisfy yourself. And if you don't need to be compatible, you don't need to author, and you can choose whatever options work for you. Or even build your own apps to get what you want.

Btw, don't kid yourself. ALL codecs have resolution (and other) limits, whether by spec or in practice.

Scott

I'm not authoriing discs for anyone but myself.
And yes- codecs have limits. But you know as well as I that H.264 can handle any resolution up to 1080 , and H.265 can handle any resolution up to 4320. So, between those two codecs, I have no limits (no plans to venture into the pointless arena of 8K unless I get a 200" television).
It just seems silly that the tools out there are restricting H.265 to just 2160 files. The compression in that codec is helpful at any resolution.

[C.C. 95]

Easiest way to watch what you want is to get a media device player that connects to your tv and just plug in a usb flash drive with the video's on it,you can burn the videos to a blu-ray as data and extract what you want to watch later.To me authoring is too cumbersome with all the stuff involved getting a working disc.

I have many media players, and a Plex server- But that is more for convenience. You are correct that it is work to make your own discs- But I enjoy having a custom physical library. (Especially for titles that have not made the leap to HD. (Upscale DVD and make custom BD.))

[Alwyn]

I'd just accept 2160P and limit the bitrate to fit the disk.

[SmeeMcGee]

I have yet to find a program that will allow me to author a Blu ray that is encoded 10 Bit 1080p H.265.
DVDFAB, LEAWO, etc. only allow 10 bit and H.265 for 2160p files. (They will ACCEPT and author the 1080p 10 bit Hevc files- But will re-encode them down to 8 bit AVC).
Since a blu ray disc is only a storage medium- it seems odd that the authoring programs would not allow files of ANY resolution to take advantage of the better compression of HEVC.
(Not just 4K files)
I emailed TMPGEnc/Pegasus to see if their AuthoringWorks program allows this.(fingers crossed)....
But, it feels like a huge oversight for the other programs - Hevc is just another codec.

Any chance you found a way to do this. I'm actually trying to do the exact same thing. I managed to get Yuhan Blu-Ray DVD Creator to author a disc via their "passthrough" mode after getting a seemingly edited version of the software from Yuhan. Even still my Panasonic 4k Blu-Ray player can't get past the menu.

[C.C. 95]

I have yet to find a program that will allow me to author a Blu ray that is encoded 10 Bit 1080p H.265.
DVDFAB, LEAWO, etc. only allow 10 bit and H.265 for 2160p files. (They will ACCEPT and author the 1080p 10 bit Hevc files- But will re-encode them down to 8 bit AVC).
Since a blu ray disc is only a storage medium- it seems odd that the authoring programs would not allow files of ANY resolution to take advantage of the better compression of HEVC.
(Not just 4K files)
I emailed TMPGEnc/Pegasus to see if their AuthoringWorks program allows this.(fingers crossed)....
But, it feels like a huge oversight for the other programs - Hevc is just another codec.

Any chance you found a way to do this. I'm actually trying to do the exact same thing. I managed to get Yuhan Blu-Ray DVD Creator to author a disc via their "passthrough" mode after getting a seemingly edited version of the software from Yuhan. Even still my Panasonic 4k Blu-Ray player can't get past the menu.

Unfortunately no. I think the programs (DVDFAB, YUHAN) and the 4K players will only recognize h.265 as a 4K codec.
No problem doing this as FILES- but not encoding to disc.
Maybe there is some hack I haven't discovered yet...

[SmeeMcGee]

Hey, I'm at least glad to know I'm not alone in my struggles. I've been wondering if it's worth it to upscale 1080p to 4k and author a 4k disc but the efficiency gained from the HEVC codec would probably be lost by the higher resolution. Not to mention the time it'll take to upscale everything. I'm going to try burning a disc with just the files and see if it'll work. I was able to get them to play via usb drive so that's a good sign at the least.

Anyway, I'm wanting to see if it's viable to invest in my own self-created physical media compared to something like a NAS. It's been a struggle with how picky the Blu-Ray standards as well as my specific player. I was thinking if I could author 1080p HEVC discs then It'd be more future proof but maybe I'm wanting more out of something than it's made to be.

[SmeeMcGee]

Just finished writing the data disc. The HEVC 1080p videos are playing just fine and they even auto play the next video after the current ends. For anyone that may find this in the future. I have a Panasonic DP UB-420 4K player. It won't play these files on a rewritable disc for whatever reason, but it works on a regular DB-R disc

[C.C. 95]

Just finished writing the data disc. The HEVC 1080p videos are playing just fine and they even auto play the next video after the current ends. For anyone that may find this in the future. I have a Panasonic DP UB-420 4K player. It won't play these files on a rewritable disc for whatever reason, but it works on a regular DB-R disc

Yes. You can do a data disc. But you cannot author a disc with menus.

[C.C. 95]

Hey, I'm at least glad to know I'm not alone in my struggles. I've been wondering if it's worth it to upscale 1080p to 4k and author a 4k disc but the efficiency gained from the HEVC codec would probably be lost by the higher resolution. Not to mention the time it'll take to upscale everything. I'm going to try burning a disc with just the files and see if it'll work. I was able to get them to play via usb drive so that's a good sign at the least.

Anyway, I'm wanting to see if it's viable to invest in my own self-created physical media compared to something like a NAS. It's been a struggle with how picky the Blu-Ray standards as well as my specific player. I was thinking if I could author 1080p HEVC discs then It'd be more future proof but maybe I'm wanting more out of something than it's made to be.

That's a tough call. I personally don't see the point of upscaling 2k to 4k (the real bonus of 4k being the wide color gamut more than the resolution bump- and we cannot do HDR/DV ourselves (correctly.lol.))
But I see what you're saying- go to 4k for the purpose of being able to author.
The only problem there is- (full disclosure, I love and use Topaz...but for 480 to 1080) - if you use something like topaz, you are still gonna lose stuff in the upscale. Topaz is a little too aggressive in removing grain in ALL models.
But- if you don't mind the grain loss (or add in fake grain -which is an option on topaz)- you could do the mildest of upscales.
In fact- you have peaked my interest. I think I'll try it. Try to do the lightest upscale and see where it lands quality-wise.
But you are correct- 2k to 4k takes some time. LOL. Probably a day or two!

[SmeeMcGee]

Hey, just wanted to pop in and give an update. I reached out to Yuhan, and they sent me version of their UHD burning software that seemingly bypasses the resolution check when using their passthrough mode. By default, it enforced UHD burning in passthrough mode to 4k videos, so I guess there was some flag that was turned off in the version I received. Anyway, I was able to burn a HEVC video with AC-3 audio to a disc and I was able to play it on my Samsung UHD player. It even had a basic menu. I also tried burning AAC audio but somewhat unsurprisingly, that didn't work.

I inserted the disc on my computer and used MediaInfo to inspect the video, but it wasn't giving very helpful information. This may be due to the m2ts format. I then opened the video in VLC and viewed the codec information. To my surprise, it stated it was HEVC. The file size was somewhat larger than the original, but VLC claims it's HEVC, nonetheless. I'm going to continue experimenting to see what I can find. I'm particularly curious to see if I can identify why the file size is larger and if the video is playable on other UHD players. I suspect my Panasonic won't be happy, but we shall see.

[C.C. 95]

Are you talking about hevc with 1080p videos?
If so- what is the output colorspace? 709 or 2020?
FYI- AAC is not an accepted codec for blu ray disc- so, no surprise that it didn't work.

[SmeeMcGee]

Yeah, I've been having troubles finding the specifications for UHD Blu-Ray audio but I didn't think AAC would work. Figured it was worth a shot though because at least one of my players can handle it on a flash drive.

By the way, here's the information from VLC and BDInfo. I'll see if I can figure out the colorspace but I'm not too sure on how to see that information.

Just as an FYI, my Panasonic Player that won't play the video is the Panasonic DP-UB420. The Samsung that DOES work is the Samsung UBD-K8500


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[C.C. 95]

Thanks. Mediainfo would help with that (it displays that most of the time)
You shouldn't be having any issues using mediainfo on that file. Weird that you are having an issue with that.
Btw- which version of YUHAN did they send? (I wanna see if I need to update).

[SmeeMcGee]

this is the link I was sent when I contacted Yuhan. For some reason downloading from here allowed me to bypass the error message that pops up when you try to do UHD pass through with 1080p video. It was the same version number and everything as I had before but it worked through that download

[C.C. 95]

THAT'S curious.
I will have to investigate further (i haven't messed with yuhan in a few months). Appreciate the info!

[SmeeMcGee]

If you don’t mind, I’d like to know if it works for you. Also it’s worth noting I was testing this on a BD-RE disc so that could be part of the reason why the Panasonic player didn’t work but I would be surprised if it didn’t work on a BD-R disc either

[C.C. 95]

It shouldn't matter. The BD-RE is just rewritable. It would be the PLAYER that had the issue. (Some players not accepting an BD-RE).
Using BD-RE is a must. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to test things out without wasting loads of BD-Rs!
I'll post when I get a chance to test it out. (Holiday stuff has slowed down my extra curricular activities. Lol)