Premiere Pro - project specificatons?

[The Cold War Kid]

I downloaded the latest Premiere. Still on the trial...

It totally freaked me out when I tried to begin a project and all it would do is let me select a video file! Apparently, it imports the details of that file, then sets the spec for the project, accordingly? If not, I'm lost...

The problem is that my ancient 5.5 lacks a project setting for 60 ps. Having no choice, I used 30 fps. It loads and uses the 60 fps source clips - no problem, but THEN what happens? Does it skip every other frame? Does it downgrade the clips to 30 fps, before using them? Who knows. Who even COULD know...

I am faced with importing the projects from 5.5. The crummy 30 fps is part of those projects and, as far as I know, there's no way to change it, mid-flight? So, I decided to try to trick it.

I selected one of the source clips - 60 fps - and used it to open the project. Then I imported the old project. Then I cut the file I used to start it. Did that work? Who even COULD know? The first video made by the new prog is OK. And about 500 MB bigger, trying to use the same settings.

My problem, if it is one, is that things near the edges of the (wide) screen become blurry, as they get closer. These shots are with the cam on top of a pickup. The faster we go, the worse it gets. The center of the frame is fine. As your eyes move to the edges, things get jerky. Yeah, I know, I'm nit-picking it but it's MY work and I sure would like to solve this - it's been in my face since day one of this project! I bet interlaced video would solve this, but that's a thing of the past

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, my prospective paywall host says they will recompess any video with a bitrate above 5! So now I'm cooking a vid - average = 5, max = 45.

A lot of people have these issues, on their way to NLE stardom. Anybody interested, please JUMP RIGHT IN!

[poisondeathray]

Do you mean CS5.5 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Premiere_Pro

For old PP versions, they had a "desktop" mode which unlocks all the other settings, including framerate. 60 FPS is supported for certain , even if the sequence settings presets do not feature a 60FPS preset

You cannot change in the middle of a project.

If you import a previous project locked to 30fps, yes it drops 1/2 the frames.

I wouldn't use the old 30fps stuff, and just redo it

For newer PP versions, you can close the welcoming box if you don't want to do it that way. Just start a new project : file => new project . You can create a new sequence with custom specifications by right clicking in the project panel => new sequence

[Bwaak]

You cannot change in the middle of a project. Start over

This is why I never liked Premiere. Clunky, ineffective with unnecessary restrictions.

Vegas all the way. Or at least Movie Studio that still has the old codebase (up to MS v.16 I believe?). Handled MPEG-2 HD and later H.264 natively and with ease, when other NLEs required creating proxies.

[poisondeathray]

I use both vegas and pp , each has pros/cons you just have to know about them and how to get around the quirks. Project planning is important for both

PP was way ahead early on with HD mpeg and h264 with mercury playback engine. Much faster than vegas at the time and for several years. Vegas was very slow to catch on

[The Cold War Kid]

Do you mean CS5.5 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Premiere_Pro

For old PP versions, they had a "desktop" mode which unlocks all the other settings, including framerate. 60 FPS is supported for certain , even if the sequence settings presets do not feature a 60FPS preset

You cannot change in the middle of a project.

If you import a previous project locked to 30fps, yes it drops 1/2 the frames.

I wouldn't use the old 30fps stuff, and just redo it

For newer PP versions, you can close the welcoming box if you don't want to do it that way. Just start a new project : file => new project . You can create a new sequence with custom specifications by right clicking in the project panel => new sequence

omg -REDO it?

We're talking 9 videos, an hour each! There's GOT to be another way!

I found the desktop mode More experimentation - just what I needed!

Thanks

[poisondeathray]

I guess it does work with simple edits (might not work for other projects or types of edits, I would double check and look very closely)

I put a 60p asset on a 30p timeline in an older PP version (but it wasn't CS5.5), saved it. Imported that into a newer PP version and edited the sequence settings from 30p to 60p and it kept all the frames and edits. Correct number of frames

I'm pretty sure I tried this before and it failed. I just plan ahead now and try not to make those types of mistakes

[poisondeathray]

And it can "fail" too -

It can still cause potential problems, because your edited 30p version might be made on cuts on the wrong frame on the 60p version. ie. The granularity of the 30p edit might be problematic .

eg. Lets say a scene change begins on an odd frame, frame 13 in this example, but that is not visible in the decimated 30p edit because of the 30p sequence setting (timeline) . You only see frames 0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14....in the 30p project. Let's say you make a cut on end of frame 6 in the 30p project (corresponding to actual frame 12 in the actual 60p video), and discard frames from the next section (lets say it was a commercial or something, or maybe some idiot jumps into the frame that you need to edit out) . So the 30p project has frames 0,2,4,6,8,10,12 for a total of 7 frames in this 1st section cut. When you import that into a 60p sequence, discarded actual frame 13 (from the commercial, or idiot jumping in) will now be tacked on - the cut will be on the wrong frame and there will be a blip. You will have 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 in the 1st section for 14 frames. Frame 13 is from the commerical, but you didn't "see" it in the 30p sequence

This is not a premiere specific issue. It's a poor planning issue . Or blame it on not knowing about "desktop mode"

Redo it or look very carefully at your edits. The amount of time reviewing it for problems basically means redoing it

[The Cold War Kid]

I've been shooting at the big fish polluting my barrel since Feb 2. I finally got him!

Sequence ==> Settings. I found something called P2 1080I/1080P 60Hz DVCPROHD.


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After hitting OK, I saw the GOLDEN message box appear - the one I've been looking for, all this time: If you do this ALL video preview files will be deleted. Yes! Oh, God, Yes!

Now I'm no longer sitting here - watching choppy 30fps video, when I know darn well I shot 60 fps!

This marvelous screen offers interlaced. What would happen if the video sources on the timeline were not interlaced?

And the beat goes on

[poisondeathray]

Note that sequence setting is for progressive DVCPro. Probably not what you have. It's not a full raster scan ; it's 1280x1080 and gets stretched back to 1920x1080 upon display. You lose horizontal resolution and thus quality.

This marvelous screen offers interlaced. What would happen if the video sources on the timeline were not interlaced?

If you used a different sequence setting instead for interlaced, all assets are conformed to the sequence settings. A 59.94p asset would become interlaced by discarding 1/2 the scanlines.