Alright,
Here is my setup. Please let me know what I can improve.
DMR-EX95V VCR connected to ES-15 DVD Recorder via s-video for video, and RCA for audio. From the ES-15 I go to my little "video grabber" box via SCART to RCA adapter. The little grabber records on to a SD card. I used this setup before, without the ES-15. I read that the ES-15 has some sort of TBC, and that helps with the image quality.
I also attached some pictures showing the settings of the ES-15, but since I have no clue what they mean, it would be really nice if someone can look over them and tell me if I should change something. That includes my cables. I know just using the yellow for video is the worst. I think then comes Red/Blue/Green. But what about s-video and scart?
Thanks.
P.S. I also have a Blaupunkt RTV 936 (Panasonic NV-HS800) which is S-VHS and a Sony DCR-TRV820E. I already tried the camcorder to pc via firewire and it works. I know that this type of capturing is "better" but since I am still messing around with the software, I am going to capture with the setup mentioned above first.
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It al depends which transfer/converter/capture devices you use, and how much money you spend or want to spend on it.
when capturing in MP4 on cheap convert/recording devices, you still need to convert to 4:3 (full frame)
btw. I don't know if the DMR-EX95V has the VHS refresh feature, otherwise you don't need to use the ES15 as passthroughLast edited by Eric-jan; 1st Apr 2023 at 12:53.
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I use this one right now, but only because I didn't know better.
and how much money you spend or want to spend on it.
when capturing in MP4 on cheap convert/recording devices, you still need to convert to 4:3 (full frame)
btw. I don't know if the DMR-EX95V has the VHS refresh feature, otherwise you don't need to use the ES15 as passthrough
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The following sample is NOT from using a ES15. It is just from my EX95V to my video grabber.
On the left RCA to RCA and on the right S-Video to S-Video. I plan on making a few videos showing the differences. Next, I will incorporate the ES15 and try different way of connecting them all together.
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P.S. I never put two of the same clips next to each other in Davinci Resolve, so I hope this is good. -
Here is another clip. On the left is RCA to RCA and on the Right is SCART adapter to RCA. While doing this I realized that organization is everything! You cannot do this while sitting here in your robe watching TV! You have to document every step, or you are going to get confused like hell, ha ha.
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The one on the left has more contrast and color, both have no differences in sync issues, (people mention bright issues for RCA, but your SCART sample lacks it, it looks like the EX95V has the VHS fresh feature, other qualities i can't judge, i do see color flashes in both captures.
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on the left still seems to me the best one color wise,
Money wise this capture device is not bad, did you test on lip-sync with long captures ?
try to keep/buy the Panasonic DMR-EX95V it has some handy features, Panasonic is my favourite, i've one too, that i'm very happy with.Last edited by Eric-jan; 2nd Apr 2023 at 08:25.
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I always thought that one is supposed to avoid the high color and high contrast!?
(people mention bright issues for RCA, but your SCART sample lacks it, it looks like the EX95V has the VHS fresh feature, other qualities i can't judge, i do see color flashes in both captures.
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on the left still seems to me the best one color wise,
Money wise this capture device is not bad, did you test on lip-sync with long captures ?
try to keep/buy the Panasonic DMR-EX95V it has some handy features, Panasonic is my favourite, i've one too, that i'm very happy with.
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Well, everybody has his own taste, i like contrast, but also shadows where they need to be, i like to use the black and white pipets in Davinci Resolve for the absolute white and black levels, and then some fine-tuning to my taste, but i use a analog to SDI converter now, and record with a Video Assist, only do post with (Mac) Laptop, before that i Used a BMD Intensity Shuttle, (i capture always with ProRes422LT codec)
which worked also fine because of the VHS fresh feature, which many Panasonic recording devices have, take advantage of the EX95V as long as you have it, try a better (more money needed) capture device, you already have a steady video signal….Last edited by Eric-jan; 2nd Apr 2023 at 09:44.
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If you don't know, how am I supposed to know, ha ha. Let me ask you this: Is it going to hurt if I just add a ES15?
You can tell if the EX-95 has VHS Fresh/TBC-ish by the absence of wavy edges, particularly in the upper part of the image. If you have to get another VCR that doesn't have a line TBC and your tapes are wonky then yes, you'll probably benefit from the ES-10. -
I agree to each their own. I just thought that too much contrast was a sign of "bad" footage, or something like that.
i like to use the black and white pipets in Davinci Resolve for the absolute white and black levels, and then some fine-tuning to my taste,
but i use a analog to SDI converter now,
and record with a Video Assist, only do post with (Mac) Laptop
before that i Used a BMD Intensity Shuttle, (i capture always with ProRes422LT codec) which worked also fine because of the VHS fresh feature
many Panasonic recording devices have (VHS fresh feature), take advantage of the EX95V as long as you have it,
Video (with component)
S Video (with component)
RGB 1 (without component)
RGB 2 (without component)
Are those settings important when playing a tape back to my recording device?
try a better (more money needed) capture device, you already have a steady video signal….
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Interesting info.
I noticed that pretty much none of my tapes have wavy edges. Not when playing back on the EX95, the Blaupunkt RTV936 or some Panasonic I got. Forgot the name. I know it does not have TBC though.
So could it be that I don't have any wavy edges because my tapes are in good shape? See, never really understood the TBC things, but I believe I do now. You only need it with bad tapes. If the tapes are in good condition and playing just fine, you do not need TBC, right?
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BTW, I think I captures my tapes three times by now. Once with every VCR I have. Better more footage than less, right? LOL.
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One more thing: I just hit record on my video grabber and let it record. It has a signal detection feature, but I do not trust it. So I would rather record everything that is on the VHS tape and cut out later what I do not need. I use ffmpeg for that.
ffmpeg -i 1.mp4 -t 00:00:10 -c copy smallfile1.mp4 -ss 00:00:10 -c copy smallfile2.mp4
But I noticed that the output file looks a little bit different. Why? I thought this is "lossless" conversion!?
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If the tapes are in good condition and playing just fine, you do not need TBC, right?
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My guess is.. the videograbber you are now using is also more "forgiving", with other capture devices this is not always the case.
the "with component" or "without component" settings has to do that you're not able to use the RGB SCART at the same time as the RCA red green blue option, RGB SCART was mostly used for better picture quality on Cathode Ray Tube tv's …the RCA component (YUV) can be used for flatscreen tv's/monitors in interlaced or progressive mode, i use the RCA component (interlaced) on my converter because only the Intensity Shuttle could capture progressive, i find the the workflow with my Video Assist (recorder) much easier to do,
You can also capture from the EX95V from HDMI,(no extra internal conversion to analog component) you do need a HDMI passthrough device to defeat HDCP, this way i also record from a DVB-T2 tuner (fullHD terrestial digital television). (DVB-T2 = h.265 stream)
Avidemux and MPEG Streamclip should also be able to do lossless mpeg cutting.. but i don't have experience with that, you can check out the software section of Videohelp for that.
Shutter Encoder is also a nice GUI for FFMPEG.Last edited by Eric-jan; 2nd Apr 2023 at 11:24.
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Wow, at least one good thing about my device, ha ha.
the "with component" or "without component" settings has to do that you're not able to use the RGB SCART at the same time as the RCA red green blue option, RGB SCART was mostly used for better picture quality on Cathode Ray Tube tv's …the RCA component (YUV) can be used for flatscreen tv's/monitors in interlaced or progressive mode, i use the RCA component (interlaced) on my converter because only the Intensity Shuttle could capture progressive,
i find the the workflow with my Video Assist (recorder) much easier to do, You can also capture from the EX95V from HDMI,(no extra internal conversion to analog component)
"ADCs follow a sequence when converting analog signals to digital. They first sample the signal, then quantify it to determine the resolution of the signal, and finally set binary values and send it to the system to read the digital signal. Two important aspects of the ADC are its sampling rate and resolution."
It sounds to me that as long you use "decent" parts, all devices should convert somewhat the same. No?
you do need a HDMI passthrough device to defeat HDCP,
this way i also record from a DVB-T2 tuner (fullHD terrestial digital television). (DVB-T2 = h.265 stream)
Avidemux and MPEG Streamclip should also be able to do lossless mpeg cutting.. but i don't have experience with that, you can check out the software section of Videohelp for that.
Shutter Encoder is also a nice GUI for FFMPEG.
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There are some obvious advantages and disadvantages with capturing by computer or any hardware recorder, on a computer/laptop you can fine tune capture settings,(do more compression passes,to improve file size and quality) a hardware recorder is What You See Is What You Get, limited codec options with hardware recorder, you can't optimize compression, the ClearClick only does MP4 ? the Video Assist uses ProRes422 in different quality/compression presets, though the compression is different from h.264, and is used specially for better data rate during capture and post work, so it's about time and money…
The ClearClick itself defeats DHCP i now understand, the Video Assist does not
The Shutter Encoder has also options for lossless cutting i just discovered, it also has many codec options, I noticed they also regulary update for improvements, (and options i guess)
Like said, the ClearClick is not for optimal quality, but certainly has it's advantages, much also depends on quality of the source footage.
In case of Panasonic recorders, you might find the following also of interest….
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/403635-Panasonic-DVD-recorder-passthrough-settings...15-DMR-ES25%29Last edited by Eric-jan; 2nd Apr 2023 at 16:54.
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Makes sense.
a hardware recorder is What You See Is What You Get, limited codec options with hardware recorder, you can't optimize compression,
the ClearClick only does MP4 ?
the Video Assist uses ProRes422 in different quality/compression presets, though the compression is different from h.264, and is used specially for better data rate during capture and post work, so it's about time and money…
The ClearClick itself defeats DHCP i now understand, the Video Assist does not
The Shutter Encoder has also options for lossless cutting i just discovered, it also has many codec options, I noticed they also regulary update for improvements, (and options i guess)
Like said, the ClearClick is not for optimal quality, but certainly has it's advantages, much also depends on quality of the source footage.
In case of Panasonic recorders, you might find the following also of interest….
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/403635-Panasonic-DVD-recorder-passthrough-settings...15-DMR-ES25%29 -
Last edited by plehoediv; 4th Apr 2023 at 09:55.
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When it comes to the quality, I am ok with it. It just looks like VHS, and that look is what I grew up on
With the ClearClick device you are decreasing the intrinsic quality of the VHS.
S-VHS/VHS quality is much better than that, as you can see in some samples listed in this post https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/405502-YouTube-channels-playlists-showcasing-captu...eo#post2654664
But, if you are satisfied with your results, that's all that matters! -
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When it comes to the quality, I am ok with it. It just looks like VHS, and that look is what I grew up onI disagree on that, but you already knew that
With the ClearClick device you are decreasing the intrinsic quality of the VHS.
S-VHS/VHS quality is much better than that, as you can see in some samples listed in this post https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/405502-YouTube-channels-playlists-showcasing-captu...eo#post2654664
But, if you are satisfied with your results, that's all that matters!
BTW, did you ever share (with me) your workflow? What capture card/method do you use?
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My workflow is detailed in the YT videos 😉
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