Has Handbrake 1.6 any advantage and settings for DVD ripping

[loninappleton]

I have just been going over some searches on using Handbrake 'ideal' settings for DVD. In the past I have just
used mostly the default and concentrated on small size encodes.

There are some 'ideal settings' guide mostly with a nudge toward a vendors own product.

What does videohelp recommend for ideal NTSC DVD quality (within a reasonable size for 100 mins such as 2Gb?)
using Handbrake and no other command line etc tools?

And does the newer Handbrake 1.6 offer any clear advantage? I ask because I use both Win7 and Win10 as needed on separate HD's.

[DVDLover00]

See the changelogs from; https://www.videohelp.com/software/HandBrake

NOTE! Handbrake can NOT rip/decrypt most commercial DVDs and Blu-rays! Use a DVD ripper / Blu-ray ripper or try the libdvdcss from VLC Media Player, see Handbrake with libdvdcss DVD ripping (libdvdcss only works with Handbrake 1.6.0 and older).

1.6.1 doesnt support anymore dvd ripping from libcss plugin. Better downgrade to 1.6.0.

[loninappleton]

Thanks for answering. It looks like I'll be in Handbrake 1.5. 1 on Win7 for the forseeable future.

[Ai Haibara]

Is that the Handbrake developers' ruling? I haven't seen a mention of it in the actual changelogs (what I can find of them, anyway, as the official site seems to only link to the 1.6.0 changelogs)

Edit: Found it. But it doesn't mention any deprecation for libdvdcss, that I can see, offhand. https://github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake/releases/tag/1.6.1)

[autodidact]

Is that the Handbrake developers' ruling? I haven't seen a mention of it in the actual changelogs (what I can find of them, anyway, as the official site seems to only link to the 1.6.0 changelogs)

Edit: Found it. But it doesn't mention any deprecation for libdvdcss, that I can see, offhand. https://github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake/releases/tag/1.6.1)

The clearest statement on the status of libdvdcss that I've seen is in the response to this closed issue:

https://github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake/issues/4889

libdvdcss hasn't been supported in many years. It causes a lot of instability issues.

[loninappleton]

The workaround I was thinking of but need to ask about is: Ok, so newer Handbrake does not support DVDrip dependece on Libdvdcss.

Would be good practice to do the rip to MKV or M4V in older Hb and then do some processing
(using the Lapsharp feature is something I like) or other video enhancement techniques within new the version?

I'd like see some free software with the advanced sharpening capabilities of Topaz for older disks. Just now I'm doing a subtitle for a DVD from 1975 from a television show. About the only decent quality can be obtained from a streaming source of the same content.

[loninappleton]

I have another question/angle on this. I was reading in another thread that Vidcoder by Random Engy can open DVD

quote:

"Have a look at VidCoder, its 100% free and not trialware. I use it convert various video to x265 MP4 as it also uses handbrake but also with full GPU support, it can also open DVD/Blu-ray directly and allow you to add subtitles as forced/burn in or just add as optional subtitles to the output "

in thread https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/408406-DVD-to-mp4-can-t-get-subtitles-to-convert Post #6

Sorry that's as close as I get to attribution on a thread that was moved etc etc.

I know that Vidcoder follows Handbrake development. Does that mean that Vidcoder will open DVDs etc under Handbrake development past 1.6.1?

[davexnet]

Are you talking about protected, commercial disks?

[loninappleton]

If that is somehow a forbidden topic, well then I don't know of what other use there could be.

[davexnet]

If that is somehow a forbidden topic, well then I don't know of what other use there could be.

No It's not forbidden. Assume Handbrake can successfully decrypt your DVD on the fly.

First check the frame rate. If it's 23.98, on the Filters tab turn them all off, then set "detelecine" to default.
If the frame rate is 29.97, set the filters to "interlace detection" - default, Deinterlace - decomb/default, others off
On the "Video" tab, set it as shown

[loninappleton]

Thanks. I'll feel safe (on the forum) to take my foot out of my mouth.

And I will look at the settings you suggest. I saw a one page guide that concentrated on running at very slow speed and staying within the 22-18 quality range. I was able to improve some 10 year old DVD's with that plus using Lapsharp medium deblock- light setting with the 720p preset.
and the usual settings I have for decomb deinterlace. In the past I was mainly concerned with
file size. And the very slow setting means about -- 12 hours total for a set of 2 disks with an hour plus each for live theatre.

[davexnet]

Thanks. I'll feel safe (on the forum) to take my foot out of my mouth.

And I will look at the settings you suggest. I saw a one page guide that concentrated on running at very slow speed and staying within the 22-18 quality range. I was able to improve some 10 year old DVD's with that plus using Lapsharp medium deblock- light setting with the 720p preset.
and the usual settings I have for decomb deinterlace. In the past I was mainly concerned with
file size. And the very slow setting means about -- 12 hours total for a set of 2 disks with an hour plus each for live theatre.

Sure, the suggestions is just a starting point. Good luck with your project

[loninappleton]

Yes I'm trying some things. Viewing the Handbrake shots it looks like Constant Frame rate has to be engaged to get 2 Pass?

My DVD is a Proshot video so I would not be using "Film" tuning but leave it at None? There are a couple of inscrutable options
but nothing specifically for video in the tuning.

The current project DVD is from 2010. The playback even looks blurry (not sharp) on the original. I'm trying what I had initially for a number of settings.

[davexnet]

Constant frame rate is not related to CRF / 2-pass, they're independent. It works properly for 23.976 and 29.97
as I showed it.

You should encode a small test, using tuning film/none and compare the results,
some people like to use Film all the time, at least for non-animation.
Perfectly OK to use "none" if you prefer. Differences can be subtle

[loninappleton]

Thanks again. Lots of text has been written on these subjects and the opinions on what works. I am diving into this
as an amateur with old and minimal video. In point of fact you can only get so much out of old stock.

Last thing and I quit on bitrate. As the Quality setting goes toward placebo the bitrate goes way up. Nothing else should be changed for frame size etc from the original. So does the bitrate enhance the image for the larger flat screens being sold today? I have no way to test this.

[davexnet]

Thanks again. Lots of text has been written on these subjects and the opinions on what works. I am diving into this
as an amateur with old and minimal video. In point of fact you can only get so much out of old stock.

Last thing and I quit on bitrate. As the Quality setting goes toward placebo the bitrate goes way up. Nothing else should be changed for frame size etc from the original. So does the bitrate enhance the image for the larger flat screens being sold today? I have no way to test this.

There comes a point of diminishing returns when increasing the bitrate, beyond CRF 18, you may not see any difference.
Try it and see.
Usually in H.264, using the slower presets does not increase the size of the file, in some cases it gets slight smaller.
If you're encoding in H.265 (HEVC) then it does, slower presets are bigger.

For a test with H.264 I encoded 2 chapters of a DVD (10 minutes) and got 88 MB (crf22\medium) and 81 MB (crf22\veryslow)