So, here's the thing.
I'm a brazilian guy, (sorry my not so bad english).
I'm doing my VHS conversion style.
I've been doing this for about 3 years now, of course always learning, especially with you guys.
Always using more a DVD recorder (Philips DVDR 3355), at maximum quality, and 99% of the time using a D-Vhs deck with S-Video cable output.
I'm using the computer sometimes and this is what I'm doing on it:
As a capture program, I always liked to use MPC together with Xvid codecs.
Yes, I've used several conversion programs, some came with capture cards, but I didn't like them. So visually, I like the results better with MPC (Media Player Classic) together with Xvid.
As a capture card I use the Pinnacle 700pci.
Using D-Vhs outputing the S-Video, plus Pinnacle 700pci, plus MPC and Xvid Condecs, with an AVI file and a computer without a graphics card, but a good DDR3 computer with windows 7.
I left two files with the specifications of each file, one in the maximum quality of the Xvid codec and another of the same snippet from the VHS NTSC tape at a quality close to maximum of the Xvid codec that does not generate a huge AVI file (and that one I usually do more that way, because I see that the final quality is the same.)
I make my own configuration to convert, I tried to get close to the quality that the DVD record makes at maximum quality and I always get good results.
But I always want to improve, with the tools I have for now.
That's why I ask you guys to evaluate me, tell me what I need to improve. Am I doing it all wrong? Something I have to change?
Anyway, analyze my conversion and tell me the negative and positive points I got. I'm open to very strict criticism!
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Last edited by Litaiff; 8th Mar 2023 at 06:42. Reason: Error translated to english
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Audio for video is always 48KHz, not 44.1KHz.
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Do you actually capture in xvid or it's just an aftward convertion ? Capturing would be a no-no from me.
By the way, the frame rate seems to be non standard 30.362 fps*** DIGITIZING VHS / ANALOG VIDEOS SINCE 2001**** GEAR: JVC HR-S7700MS, TOSHIBA V733EF AND MORE -
Any particular reason to use XviD instead of h.264 for final output? Xvid and the like is kinda antiquated and there is not much reason for using it over better formats unless you want to play the files back on some device that supports that but not later formats.
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I didn't look at the videos yet, but that doesn't matter because the specs say enough:
1st one is MPEG4-Version2, Simple Profile (the kind often encoded by Apple Quicktime, pre-AVC)
2nd one is XVID. Aka MPEG4-Version2 Advanced Simple Profile
It's no surprise it is better because it is using more advanced algorithms.
BUT...
It was good as an option for up until ~2006-2007. Since then, AVC, aka h.264 aka MPEG4-Version10 (with many profiles) is tons better in quality. And it has been the best option for capable/supporting devices since then, until about 2018-2019, when HEVC aka h.265 aka MPEG-H (also with many profiles) became good enough and now IT is often the best consumer option, especially with > HD resolution stuff. There are other ones better still on the horizon, but they are so complex that they aren't good options for day-to-day devices yet.
So the question comes back to - what devices are you playing this on, and do they also support something better such as AVC?
If so, you should notice a big improvement over XVID, not to mention MPEG4 simple profile stuff.
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So the question comes back to - what devices are you playing this on, and do they also support something better such as AVC?
If so, you should notice a big improvement over XVID, not to mention MPEG4 simple profile stuff.
Scott
I'm doing this generally to be viewed on computers.
I don't remember testing this codec you said, but I will. Is there something in here about how to install and download?
another question, will my computer support this encoding?
Note: My pinnacle capture card only supports up to 720x480
By the way, i have this installed:
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By the way, i have this installed:
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Can you teach me the exact setting to select?
As I said, I've tested several codecs, but I may have done something wrong using this one.Last edited by Litaiff; 11th Feb 2023 at 02:57.
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FYI, that x264vfw gives non-standard output.
So many "smart" (dumb) TVs won't play it, many BD players, media center boxes, etc.
If I want to be lazy, and snip up clips in VirtualDub, output this way, I still have to re-encode in Hybrid for smooth playback in all home devices. I've only had one personal TV show project where I wanted to be that lazy.Last edited by lordsmurf; 17th Feb 2023 at 07:50. Reason: typo
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Can i change to this? (marked in red)
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If someone can explain it to me, I would like to understand the other things, the ''interlaced encoding'' and ''top field first'' thing I already know. -
The profile and level choice is of any importance only if you plan on playing this on hardware (such as media players, DVD-players with MPEG4-ASP support). It limits certain settings to keep the video within the chosen profile and level to guarantee compatibility.
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Don't start changing stuff if you don't clearly know what it does. Learn the ins & outs of how it works first.
I would say, Get ffmpeg, and a GUI for it, and test with that, using "default" settings, to compare your encodes, varying the codec to see what is different.
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Hello. I already did with ffmpeg, didnt like them, i would test with this one --->
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But what would be the best configs? And why it don't have the interlaced encoding thing like xvid has?
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So, How can i use these codecs AVC, h.264, MPEG4-Version10 to test another way to convert ? Anyone? I use Windows 7 and 8.
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Lossless AVI is suggested for the capture. But converting that capture should be done using the MP4 or MKV container, not AVI.
x264vfw is very old, one of the earliest GUIs from the 2000s.
Handbrake sucks for analog capture sourcess (makes a mess of AR and interlace), and Hybrid is vastly superior here.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Last edited by Sharc; 7th Mar 2023 at 02:25.
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The fact is I'm not going to convert anything, just capture and that's it. I've always captured in AVI, I use Xvid Codec more because it gives me the option to select deinterlaced mode, the others don't. -
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Where? In the Xvid Codec? I didn't try the
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Hybrid is for postprocessing and encoding, not for capturing.
For capturing you should
- install a lossless codec like Huffyuv, Lagarith, or UTvideo for example
- use VirtualDub or AmarecTV as your capturing software rather than anything else
I am afraid you won't get much help with capturing to a lossy (=compressed) format like XviD or similar. But if you are happy with the results which you get it's just fine. Just wondering about the strange framerate. Dropped or duplicated frames?
Capturing directly to compressed x264 is even more CPU hungry than XviD, so the risk of glitches increases.Last edited by Sharc; 7th Mar 2023 at 08:06.
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