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If your tapes are miniDV you just have to transfer the data from the tape to the PC via firewire. No capture required, but just a copy of what is on tape without any degradation.
Yep, tapes are minidv but I really dont think that I can add an expansion card to this pc. It was was the cheapest one in the store and wasnt designed to be upgraded.
Edit: Im not sure why picture is upside down
Be aware that direct transfer with Firewire to your computer, will give large files, CPU and storage wise this should be no problem i guess.
Now knowing you're working with MiniDV footage, a VCR or DVD-recorder with DV input seems a better option, a DVD recorder or VHS combo recorder can also come with a HDD where you can edit your footage if needed. (a recorder combo should have a optical drive that can burn, not just play)
The direct transfer by Firewire to your computer does have the advantage that you have an exact copy/file from what's on the MiniDV tape.
or if the motherboard has a mini PCI Express slot:
Last edited by Eric-jan; 20th Nov 2022 at 14:42.
There was a Liteon recorder on ebay the other day I was watching, in the box, never used. Just checked and it did have a dv input port, it would have been perfect, even had the LSI chipset which is preferable for tape to dvd if Iím not mistaken. But I bought the es10 instead and now its been sold LOL.
Oh well, Iíll have to watch out for a recorder on ebay, I just had a look at Lordsmurfs lsi chipset thread and the es20 has it, do you think I should get one of them or can you recommend something else/better? Iíd rather get something thats readily available on ebay, not too rare or hard to find.
Last edited by dellsam34; 20th Nov 2022 at 16:24.
A dvd recorder with DV input should be easy to find, you can use it for it's s-video/composite output or record to disc, 2nd generation copy of mpeg2 can still be fine, you should try something,
but you should not spent thousands of dollars/euros on it.
Last edited by Eric-jan; 21st Nov 2022 at 05:57.
The result of the real time MPEG2 encoding of any DVD-recorder I have seen is atrocious (on the highest quality setting!) compared to a software encoding; especially if paired with some slight but effective AviSynth filtering. It's a night and day difference. Only use it if the ease of use outweights the quality drop for you.
Wow, there is a second generation of MPEG-2 DVD standard encoding? I would like to know more about it.
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LSI-based JVC was the only exception, from videotape sources.
Right guys, Iíve opened up my mini pc and there is one slot at the bottom unoccupied.
It is for a much bigger card than the mini pci one. Is this slot designed for something else or would the mini pci card work in there?
Iím also not sure about the power plug that is attached to the card, would that need to be plugged in because I cant see anywhere for it to go?
My camcorder has a 4 pin socket, the mini pci card has two 9 pin and one 6 pin, I presume a 4 pin to 6 or 9 pin cable would work fine?
Edit: Iíve just notice the area to the side of the fan has a slot/slots for something?
Last edited by Leanoric; 21st Nov 2022 at 08:30.
Iíve checked the specs of the pc and it has 1 PCI Express x16 Slot, I presume that means 16 pin, so obviously the 52 pin card wont fit unfortunately.
and yes, Firewire comes in a 800 or 400 version, but a suitable cable or adapter plug will set that right, could be already in the box when you buy such a card.
you can break out a metal strip at the bottom of the computer for the PCI card, is my guess, can't see that clearly from the picture.
When buying such a Firewire PCI card, check for it, if it has the correct drivers for your operating system.
Still i think it will be to much work for this computer to transfer uncompressed DV this way, also because of the large files you have to deal with.
Expanding the RAM can't also hurt Ö only one memory slot is populated ?
Last edited by Eric-jan; 21st Nov 2022 at 10:55.
I got the best result via VHS+DVD HDD Recorder
this type. You will need a 4 to 6 pin firewire adapter as well if it isn't bundled or if you don't have one already. I don't know if there are some specific models of card that are preferable when it comes to driver support, some others may know what works best though.
The slot beside the CPU is for another RAM module. You can expand RAM if you want, but you don't have to. 8 GB is plenty for the job.
Capturing DV over Firewire is the best you can do to preserve the quality of your recordings, everything else is a downgrade.
Deinterlacing for Youtube will be another can of worms
The Syba SY-PEX30016 Firewire card is a good alternative but little harder to find. The cable you would need is this.
After you get the card install the windows legacy driver, follow these instructions.
For what it's worth, I purchased this card last month and it works with Windows 10 plug-and-play, I didn't need to download drivers separately, I just plugged it in, windows detected it, and it worked. Also came with the correct cable that I needed, all for under $20 Canadian.
If he can find that in the UK it's worth a try.
Yadif should be a good option for de-interlacing, if you don't go on the path of recording to DVD/MPEG2 files, MPEG2 is not that bad as some people say you should judge for your self.
if you watch the end result only with VLC you can set VLC to de-interlace it at default for playback, so you don't have to encode it into de-interlaced, your choice, Shutter Encoder is a nice tool which has an easy to use GUI.
LosslessCut can cut lossless MPEG2 filesÖ https://mifi.no/losslesscut/
Last edited by Eric-jan; 21st Nov 2022 at 14:03.
I cant find anything on the Syba card working with win 11, I did come across somebody that couldnt get it working with it so Im not too sure about that one.
Amazon uk have the card that Xhumeka suggested for £12 but no info on win 11 compatibility, doesn't appear to have ti chipset either, so again not sure about it
Ive found this one though, it has reviews from people saying that it works straight away with win 11. Also doesn't appear to have ti chipset though, does it look ok? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Padarsey-Firewire-Expansion-Controller-Connection/dp/B07PHJKS...A2DQ3XBZNPO0PZ
Something that worries me is that Ive seen a few people say that they havent been able to get their sony dv camera to work with firewire cards, my cameras a sony. But I suppose Ill have to cross that bridge at the time.
Thanks again for taking the time to help guys.
Newer Microsoft OS's such as 10 and 11 need to set privacy setting to permit camera and video input devices in security settings otherwise you won't be able to get it working. This is probably why you see a lot of complaints about them online.
Also i don't understand why it says: Attention: Don't Support hot-plugging. Before installation, Turn off the power and then plug in the power cord.
when one normally installs a card this is standard procedure, but that's your kind of info you get on such sites, Ali is number one at that
I think you better buy such a card local, that should be possible, also good for easy exchange if something is wrong with it.
Last edited by Eric-jan; 22nd Nov 2022 at 03:55.
Posted same message twice, please delete
Last edited by Leanoric; 22nd Nov 2022 at 05:08.
Just found a very interesting article here for anyone interested https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Firewire-1.htm
He has tested out over a dozen firewire cards and does not recommend cards with the TI chipset for capturing from from older camcorders, apparently the cheaper cards with VIA chipsets seem to work better. He also gives instruction on how to get them working with windows 10/11.
[QUOTE=Eric-jan;2673197]Attention: Don't Support hot-plugging. Before installation, Turn off the power and then plug in the power cord.
So I should unplug power cord from pc, then install card, and the plug in power cord after the card has been installed?
* Firewire cards with TI chip can work
* Firewire cards with VIA chip can work
* Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter cable can work
One cannot claim that something does not work unless there is a specific known issue that prevents this thing to work, like, ever. Regarding Firewire cards with VIA chip, nothing wrong with them per se. Firewire has been around for more than a quarter century and has been licked out long ago.
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