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  1. Hi all, I am seeking advice in regards to transferring my old vhs and family footage over to a digital format.

    After watching several youtube ‘experts’ I went ahead and purchased a cheap hdmi capture card and scart to hdmi converter. Using obs, I had a play around and Im not really happy with the results, not to mention a 25 minute film resulted in a nearly 4gb file, which isnt good when I have hours and hours of tape to transfer.

    I am using pal vhs and vcr. The vcr is a Hitachi (Phillips turbo deck)
    My computer is very cheap, processor is intel pentium silver N6005 2 ghz, 8 gb ram and windows 11.

    Could anyone advise on the best way for me to go about transferring my tapes, what capture card to get, etc. I am not at all tech/computer savvy tbh if that makes a difference.

    Any advice would be really appreciated.

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    If you watched several youtube "experts" you shouldn't be buying a cheap hdmi capture card and a hdmi converter, Using OBS. It's either they are not experts or you miss understood the instructions. There are tons of threads with the same subject just read through them and learn from their mistakes, Follow this link.
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  3. I was being sarcastic, they weren't experts. In hindsight I should have spent more time researching on better ways to do it befor buying cheap equipment and just copying someone off of youtube. Hopefully I can learn a better way here.
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  4. Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post
    If you watched several youtube "experts" you shouldn't be buying a cheap hdmi capture card and a hdmi converter, Using OBS. It's either they are not experts or you miss understood the instructions. There are tons of threads with the same subject just read through them and learn from their mistakes, Follow this link.
    I just clicked your link, do you not think I have already been on google looking for the answers? The info out there can be overwhelming especially to someone like myself who is not at all tech savvy. I have read that you need a card suited to the hardware/software that you are using and I’m afraid I could not find anyone else with my setup, hence me joining here and asking for some advice.
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    I've been sarcastic about the LMGTFY, but I quoted videohelp so you can only pick the first few links that are threads here, If you wish to do a manual browse here just click on Capturing sub-forum and pick a thread that matches your needs. There is like one every other week with the exact same question.
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    it all depends if the converter is an upscaler…. it wil capture in widescreen (converters without scaling don't stablelize the signal) which you have to set to 4:3 in post when you also reduce it into h.264
    When using a cheap HDMI dongle to capture,(some only capture mono sound) it all depends on the software: frame rate could be all over the place, but some software will also correct the aspect ratio while capturing…. you're not LS with a fake account ? because you sound like that…. (a moderator can trace the IP address)
    if you don't take capturing seriously, you shouldn't be asking for help, and just try what you think will "work" in either way, trying is always a good thing to learn from, (like your own mistakes) but it will get worse in the future to do this (capturing) on a computer basis only, the analog stuff you connect to your pc (if it's still compatible) can have "settings" that are off the scale from what a good representation should be, a good analog to hdmi converter will be good start, also a good SDI/HDMI recorder, will keep "things" in place, but….. analog VHS stays a very dirty video signal, you have to deal with. (passthrough and such)
    (external conversion will also take no GPU/CPU time from a computer)
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    I'm not sure who you're referring to as having LS fake account?

    Anyway, I'm not sure why you are putting HDMI and SDI devices in the same basket? HDMI adapters are display devices and very few conform to rec.601 standards, Those few who do are made back in the 2010's when HDMI was establishing itself in the video arena. I can guarantee you that today's HDMI adapter are just a convenient and a cheapest way of getting an analog video into a modern display, Chinese devices never adhere to any standard anyway.

    Analog to SDI converters on the other hand being professional devices only, they are built to standards with the highest quality components and no shortcuts are made to save a buck like consumer devices, Their main function is to digitize the analog signal to digital based on rec.601 and record it on a digital tape recorder like D1 or digital Betacam, When computers and storage became capable of storing that amount of data with sufficient speed SDI2USB, SDI2PCIe and SDI2Thunderbolt adapters are being made for that task to transfer (not capture) that standardized digital signal into the computer's hard drive.
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    I don't know how "far" the OP want's to go, but BlackMagic Design makes affordable "stuff" that works with SDI and HDMI, like a Video Assist monitor/recorder,(converters also) Atomos is also a good brand, (HDMI)
    no need for ancient equipment like digital Betacam, computers have the habit to "update" their interfaces because of "progress" plus one Thunderbolt is not the other Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt is not USB-C or Mini DisplayPort, some adapters are not supported by certain chip-sets , a lot of this can be very confusing when trying to use a computer (MAC/Windows) for capturing. converting analog (VHS) video to SDI or HDMI will also take off a workload from the pc's CPU/GPU, but a good HDMI/SDI DVR will use good codecs, which are not always available on a windows pc.

    The cheap HDMI dongles need good software, drivers is most of the time no problem, the dongle will be seen as a USB webcam, with Movavi Video editor, you can set such a dongle to better settings, like resolution and frame rate, QuikTime Player (on MAC at least) will also give some reasonable way of control of the capture/transfer.
    I still think the HDMI dongles are a little bit better then the EasyCrap dongles…. btw. you did not tell which card/dongle or converter you are using.. could be important
    Oops… i also see you're located in the U.K. according to your profile, that's a PAL region, be aware that most cheap capture devices are optimized for NTSC even when they "do" PAL also
    Most people will think in NTSC terms…. while PAL has better line resolution.
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    No I'm not recommending a Betacam tape recorder, that's an insane claim knowing my post is just 2 inches away from your answer, BalckMagic analog to SDI converters are not recommended, they lack frame timing for analog sources, HDMI converters and scalers are display devices they are not recommended for capturing for the reasons I explained in my previous post. That leaves only two options, The expensive one which is getting an analog to SDI converter, computer in this case is only used for transfer (not capture). Or the cheaper consumer way of getting a USB or a PCIe capture device and rely on computer resources for capturing (rabbit hole).

    If you factor in an analog TBC that costs $2400 the SDI route is way cheaper with proven solid results that are demonstrated in my YT channel and some of my posts here.
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    Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post

    If you factor in an analog TBC that costs $2400 the SDI route is way cheaper with proven solid results that are demonstrated in my YT channel and some of my posts here.
    There's nothing wrong with Blackmagic Design devices they do their job well, analog VHS is just way to dirty, a device that will not notice this, will not do a good conversion/capture

    "factor in" as in using a TBC ? a Panasonic device with "VHS fresh" as recorder combo or a DVD recorder as passthrough would be much cheaper, a good TBC is also very rare…. hence it's price….
    and since the "VHS fresh" feature is mostly on the PAL versions, it will cost the OP no high transport fees within the U.K. if needed, even with Brexit enfoced, Europe comes in mind.

    DMR-ES35V has VHS fresh feature, no TBC needed.. 400 euro (s-video output or component video output is available)
    a dvd-recorder might even be available at a thriftstore/secondhand store..

    DMR-ES35V
    https://vcrshop.com/?s=es35v&post_type=product&product_cat=0
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    @Leanoric,
    You didn't mention any specific digital format so I am going to assume it to be MPEG4/H.264 format. A capture card with hardware encoding is required since your PC is rather dated. So, a cheaper alternative will be an off the shelve HD set top box with composite inputs and USB port. All you need will be a set top box and a USB drive. Another assumption, your tapes are not copy protected.

    A set top box also avoid the complexity of encoder setting. An uncompressed DV format file size is about 12GB for 1 hour of recording. An hour of HD(mpeg4) recording is about 3.6GB.
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    Originally Posted by PChan
    A capture card with hardware encoding is required since your PC is rather dated.
    I initially thought the same but it's actually not. The Pentium Silver was released in Q1 2021, and they are running Win 11 so it must be a state of the art CPU and Mobo. There's no reason that I can see this couldn't handle normal VHS video capture with a decent stick.

    Originally Posted by Pchan
    a cheaper alternative will be an off the shelve HD set top box with composite inputs and USB port.
    What is an example model for this?
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    Originally Posted by Alwyn View Post
    Originally Posted by PChan
    A capture card with hardware encoding is required since your PC is rather dated.
    I initially thought the same but it's actually not. The Pentium Silver was released in Q1 2021, and they are running Win 11 so it must be a state of the art CPU and Mobo. There's no reason that I can see this couldn't handle normal VHS video capture with a decent stick.

    Originally Posted by Pchan
    a cheaper alternative will be an off the shelve HD set top box with composite inputs and USB port.
    What is an example model for this?
    I am currently using this model(not promoting it). You may want to source for one that is suitable for your region.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk6nLUrQQZ4

    It replaced my LG hard disk recorder for analog TV broadcast. Singapore migrated to DVB-T2 broadcast a few years back.
    Using it with a WD USB external hard disk for scheduled TV recording. Reliable and never miss a show.
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    I am currently using this model(not promoting it).
    That does not record external video. It records only the incoming antenna signal.
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    Originally Posted by Alwyn View Post
    I am currently using this model(not promoting it).
    That does not record external video. It records only the incoming antenna signal.
    Oh yeah! My bad.
    I got confused with the game capture. Sorry.
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    No worries!
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  17. Thanks for all the input guys. I’ve stuck with the cheap card for the time being as I dont want to waste money on something that I cant get working with win11. To be fair to it, it does actually work with win11, even the sound seems to be in sync on what I’ve done so far. I’ve been playing around with the output settings on obs but to be honest I’m struggling to understand what the right settings are to use and what will work best. Video signal/output/capture etc is something I had no prior knowledge of and I’m finding it quite complicated.

    My pc is actually brand new, I bought the cheapest one in the store as its only really for the vhs and camcorder capture. I didnt do nearly enough research before getting into this!
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  18. Capture device settings

    Resolution 800x600, fps 25

    Output settings

    Encoder software (x264)

    Video settings

    Base (canvas) resolution: 1440x1080,
    Output (scaled) resolution: 720x540,
    Lanczos (sharpened scaling 36 samples),
    Integer Fps value: 25

    Advanced settings:

    Colour format: NV12 (8-bit, 4:2:0, 2 planes),
    colour space: Rec. 709,
    colour range: limited,
    Sdr white level: 300 nits,
    HDR Nominal peak level: 1000 nits



    Is there anything obviously wrong with these settings?

    I forgot to mention that the scart to hdmi scaler converter has a 1080p or 720p switch, I've been using it with the switch at 720p.

    Thanks
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    Wrong setting for VHS capture, OBS is the wrong capture software for VHS, HDMI scalers are the wrong tools for VHS capture, the more you keep listening to wrong advice the deeper you get yourself in the rabbit hole.
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    Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post
    Wrong setting for VHS capture, OBS is the wrong capture software for VHS, HDMI scalers are the wrong tools for VHS capture, the more you keep listening to wrong advice the deeper you get yourself in the rabbit hole.
    Yep.
    Lots of wasted time, wasted money, using wrong/bad methods, wrong/bad tools.
    Self punishment.

    Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post
    I'm not sure who you're referring to as having LS fake account?
    Apparently he's gone from giving bad advice to conspiracy nonsense.

    Originally Posted by Eric-jan View Post
    There's nothing wrong with Blackmagic Design devices
    False.

    - fine for HD
    - garbage for SD, lots of well documented issues, and (at one point) even BM support was admitting to it

    analog VHS is just way to dirty
    False.

    If you're signal is "dirty", you VCR is crap. And we know who use budget combo VCRs, so "crap" is your problem.

    a Panasonic device with "VHS fresh" as recorder combo or a DVD recorder as passthrough would be much cheaper, a good TBC is also very rare….
    DMR-ES35V has VHS fresh feature, no TBC needed.
    Misleading to false.

    And it (again) proves limited knowledge on what TBC is, what TBC does.

    A few select Panasonic DVD recorders have strong+crippled line TBCs (with quality reducing side effects), with non-TBC frame sync. It's better than nothing, but is not a TBC replacement, never was. This unit was praised for passthrough for anti-tearing, and some unknowledgeable users confused it with being a TBC. It is not. It can be less costly than an actual TBC, but you're not buying a TBC. It can be paired with certain "also has" units with weak frame TBC, to give quality stability, no frame issues (dropouts, audio sync, etc). But neither works well on its own, or at all.

    Video was never a cheap hobby. But, that said, it is far less costly than most other hobbies. A few grand max, and you have everything you need. And it holds value, resell it later if needed/wanted.

    Trying to avoid proper video tools is like trying to use duct tape to fix a car.
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  21. Originally Posted by lordsmurf View Post
    Video was never a cheap hobby. But, that said, it is far less costly than most other hobbies. A few grand max, and you have everything you need.
    I can understand people that are into the hobby, “videophiles” if you will, spending that sort of money. But not the average person who just wants to get their old family footage onto a digital format. That is a hell of a lot of money to outlay without the guarantee of even getting good results, especially if you have no prior experience.
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    If good quality is not your aim then you have to be happy with the quality you got now, Average budget for a good working S-VHS deck from a reputable seller in the UK would run for around $600 give or take, a built in line TBC one would cost a little more but addresses 80% of the capturing problems, A USB capture device would cost around $70 (not my area of expertise, other members have reported some good ones), and if problems arose you can get a DVD recorder as passthrough for around $140, but on its own it can introduce more problems. If this is too much just get your tapes done by a service, I know Colin from Video99.co.uk is a good service.
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    Originally Posted by Leanoric View Post
    Originally Posted by lordsmurf View Post
    Video was never a cheap hobby. But, that said, it is far less costly than most other hobbies. A few grand max, and you have everything you need.
    I can understand people that are into the hobby, “videophiles” if you will, spending that sort of money. But not the average person who just wants to get their old family footage onto a digital format. That is a hell of a lot of money to outlay without the guarantee of even getting good results, especially if you have no prior experience.
    No, not "videophile" (FYI, audiophiles are nuts), just a basic setup for transfer.
    DIY, hobby, same thing.

    It's no different than buying appliances for a kitchen, or tools for your garage. Tools, period.

    You know what hobbies (and/or DIY projects) costs more than video?
    - quality computers / "gaming" computers
    - action figures
    - sewing
    - car repair
    - cooking
    - and many, many more

    And most of those do not have the sticky resell of photo/video gear.

    This idea that video should cost $100/whatever (cheap low numbers) is BS, and needs to end. It does not, never has, never will. Do not let thrift store VCRs, and knockoff Chinese capture cards, be your guide to gear valuation. We all know the crap quality that returns, which you've already seen with your own eyes.

    Originally Posted by Leanoric View Post
    without the guarantee of even getting good results, especially if you have no prior experience.
    Nobody said that, nor is it true.
    Quality gear = quality results.
    Reading = learning. I've been teaching people DIY video capture for almost 25 years now, and I have about 100,000 posts online, to this end, at this site and others.

    Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post
    If good quality is not your aim then you have to be happy with the quality you got now, Average budget for a good working S-VHS deck from a reputable seller in the UK would run for around $600 give or take, a built in line TBC one would cost a little more but addresses 80% of the capturing problems, A USB capture device would cost around $70 (not my area of expertise, other members have reported some good ones), and if problems arose you can get a DVD recorder as passthrough for around $140, but on its own it can introduce more problems. If this is too much just get your tapes done by a service, I know Colin from Video99.co.uk is a good service.
    Yep, exactly.
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    Lordy Lordy Lordy!!!

    Video99:
    We usually provide DV-AVI files of 13GB per hour from most video formats. These are much higher quality than the compressed files you would get from a cheap video to USB converter gadget, and are much better suited to editing.
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    Originally Posted by Alwyn View Post
    Lordy Lordy Lordy!!!

    Video99:
    We usually provide DV-AVI files of 13GB per hour from most video formats. These are much higher quality than the compressed files you would get from a cheap video to USB converter gadget, and are much better suited to editing.
    I backup all my tapes(Video8 and miniDV) in DV-AVI format on a 2TB WD USB Hard disk for a total of 160GB. I suppose it's for the final time. My video cameras are at the end of its useful life.

    @ts,
    I would like to recommend a PCIE capture card with S-video/Composite inputs but most are end of life. Avermedia or Hauppauge USB video capture with S-video/composite inputs maybe the best option. Older capture cards may have software driver support issue on either Windows 10/11 system.
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  26. The price of an es10 seems to be very reasonable, I might get one. I know that they can be used as a cheap alternative to a tbc, but just wondering how well they transfer vhs straight to dvd? Will it produce a similar quality to the crappy card that I have or be slightly better? I know vhs to dvd is not the correct way to do things, but just interested to know.
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    Originally Posted by Leanoric View Post
    The price of an es10 seems to be very reasonable, I might get one. I know that they can be used as a cheap alternative to a tbc,
    It's not a TBC replacement, but it can quasi maybe work, with quality hits, possible issues. It's a DVD recorder, not a TBC. It was never praised for this, merely for the anti-tearing.

    but just wondering how well they transfer vhs straight to dvd?
    Terrible. Never use the ES10 for recording. If you want a DVD recorder, the JVC LSI models are what you want. But no passthrough there, TBC still required, or the ES10/15 before in the workflow as passthrough.

    Will it produce a similar quality to the crappy card that I have or be slightly better? I know vhs to dvd is not the correct way to do things, but just interested to know.
    Equally crappy, but in a different way.
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  28. Thanks for the help, its much appreciated.
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    I use the ClonerAlliance Box Evolve and record to memory card *in* the capture device, then edit/etc on my PC with a card reader.

    There are some USB concerns, maybe its just me and my setup, but loose sync when recording directly to my PC, so I just use
    the box in stand alone and everything works perfect.

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    Originally Posted by Leanoric View Post
    I’ve stuck with the cheap card for the time being ...
    I recommended the ClonerAlliance Box Evolve recording in stand alone mode, my previous experience is
    cheap capture cards = heart burn and headaches. Maybe its just me, but Ive had best luck with
    mainstream/name brand/tried & true solutions.

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