VideoReDo alternatives ?

[Baldrick]

It's okey to continue here. But thread renamed and moved to editing section.

[Bridgy]

It's okey to continue here. But thread renamed and moved to editing section.

Interesting move, as i thought the previous name was not what it should have been, but it seems that there is now very limited numbers of people contributing to this Thread, or indeed my own thread too, but my Thread was more designed as a test platform for the Alternative software applications that i myself have tried.

Anywy, let's see how it goes.

[Baldrick]

Maybe no good videoredo alternatives.

[Marayong]

Whether there are any decent alternatives to VRD depends very much on what you are doing with VRD. For my usage of VRD, there ain't no alternative, instead I'd have to use several different applications to do the job and even there, they would neither do everything I use VRD for now, nor would they collectively do the job as well as VRD. Bridgy is in the same boat, even tho' what he uses VRD for is very different to my usage. That in itself says a lot for how amazingly far above the pack VRD was and still is. It's the GOAT, if you like.

If it's not been done already, I'd recommend that any spin off and/or renamed threads be linked to the main videohelp page so people can find the new threads from there. Finding a particular thread in a busy forum can be quite a challenge after all.

As for the number of people here, remember the old usenet rule ... for every 100 people 90% will be lurkers who never post, 9% will occasionally post and 1% will be active posters. According to the stats at the bottom of this page there have been 952 unique visitors to this thread. Cut that to 900 given some would access using multiple devices and you would have 810 lurkers, 81 occasional posters and 9 regular posters ... all of this over the lifetime of this thread (some have come and gone).

As for HEVC support, the non-pro version has very little support for this. It was being introduced to the Pro version (but not completed). Support in the non-pro version would have been a future version .. perhaps v.7 or v.8. If you want full HEVC support, check Bridgy's other VRD thread where he examined other software for HEVC functionality

As for converting large numbers of MPEG-2 files to HEVC, you'd be better off using a convertor program (rather than a video editor) and one that offered the ability to do batch conversions. AFAIK, VRD does not do batch conversions. You can do this with Handbrake (which has batch options) and of course ffmpeg. However note such a conversion is very processor hungry and takes a long time. Googling I found a recent claim that with modern equipment converting 10 movies would take days and that's doing a quick and nasty conversion which means you'd suffer a noticeable quality loss. Most posters in that forum (on reddit) recommended not bothering and just invest in a bigger hard drive. If you wanted to convert 600 movies and keep the same quality, you would be looking at years of non-stop processing ... and that's with a 12+core machine with a high end GPU, assuming the computer doesn't burn out part way through the whole thing. I've just bought a 16T drive for my movie collection which had outgrown it's previous home on a 8T drive. A WD Gold Helium series, named Helium because the innards are sealed in a helium atmosphere, which dramatically extends the lifespan of the drives and makes them whisper quiet ... normal 16T drives typically sound and vibrate like jet engines.

If you have a licenced install of VRD (not the pro version!), there is a slightly newer beta version than the last stable release. There's a link a few pages back on this forum. You can also find a link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videoredo/

Note that some people report issues with this beta release, including both functionality and licencing issues. It's recommended (by one of the VRD programmers) that you only update to the beta version *if* you are having issues with the latest stable release. If the latest stable release is working fine, you are best off leaving it as is. The beta release only fixes some issues that a small number of users were encountering. It has no new features compared to the latest stable release.

[Bridgy]

Whether there are any decent alternatives to VRD depends very much on what you are doing with VRD. For my usage of VRD, there ain't no alternative.

We all know that there is no other software out there that can do everything that VRD can do under the same Hood, so not much more needs to be said about that.

As far as the VRD Beta releases go, they were made to try and correct any and all known issues, but not all bugs would be fixed for everyone, it all depended on what you actually needed VRD to do for you.

I have certain issues that nobody else might have because the feature/s that i may be using had not been properly fixed at the time of Dan Rosen's passing, and this is why Dan asked me to be a Beta Tester for his 4k and HEVC development because he knew that i had already begun recording videos in 4k/60p, originally it was AVC (h264) then i went to HEVC when i got my first GoPro 10 action camera which recorded in HEVC, and also used the MOV container, not MP4, although they both seem to be very similar.

As for HEVC support, the non-pro version has very little support for this. It was being introduced to the Pro version (but not completed). Support in the non-pro version would have been a future version .. perhaps v.7 or v.8. If you want full HEVC support, check Bridgy's other VRD thread where he examined other software for HEVC functionality

The only issue that was not resolved with HEVC in VRD Pro (and possibly the Non Pro version too) was the adding of Titles and Credits to any HEVC file, not just 4k like i use, and although VRD can play back my 4k/60p HEVC and cut my files in the timeline, it is very laggy on my 6 core Laptop, but i don't know if this is a bug in VRD or if it it just my Laptop causing it.

As far as converting any other format to HEVC, or from HEVC to other formats, then VRD was fully developed, and Dan created the "Intelligent Recode" feature that is not available in any other editing or conversion software, meaning that if you select or create a profile to do this kind of export, VRD would already determine what the export file Bitrate should be to give the exported file very close to the same video quality, nobody else has this feature.

Because of the lack of adding Titles to my own HEVC files, and suffering the LargeBufferMalloc error on some occasions, i have spent the past 2 weeks developing a new method of creating and adding Titles to my 4k/60p HEVC files, which i will be posting details about in my own thread soon, it still uses VRD for 90% of it, but i need to use Microsoft Paint as well (other graphics editing tools can also be used, such as Photoshop etc) i just prefer using Paint because it is a lot easier to use for creating my Text Title templates.

Now, here is the Drill as far as VRD goes for me, i had always believed that VRD was still using the Mainconcept Encoder, not the x264/x265 encoders, and this is why i decided to start learning how to use Handbrake properly, especially knowing what CRF Quality Factor numbers i should use for a given Export file, because i wanted my Exported files to be the best quality they could be, and i am so glad that i did, with the help of Codemaster and a few other members in my Thread.

Now, according to one poster in my Thread, it seems like VRD did move over to using x264/x265 for it's encoding work, so if this is correct, i will just continue to use VRD for all of my Export jobs to other formats, using the built in Intelligent Recode feature, i would revert to Handbrake and LosslessCut if i ever lost VRD.


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As for converting large numbers of MPEG-2 files to HEVC, you'd be better off using a convertor program (rather than a video editor) and one that offered the ability to do batch conversions. AFAIK, VRD does not do batch conversions. You can do this with Handbrake (which has batch options) and of course ffmpeg.

MY VRD Pro has a Batch Conversion Tool, but i would have assumed this was also built into the Non Pro version too, i mean it is a very basic feature and should not have been given to just the Pro users.

I use my Batch tool almost every other day, and just today i ran 35 short 4k/60p HEVC files thru the Batch tool to Recode them to 1080/60p HEVC format for a former client of mine, most were 3 to 4 minutes duration, it took 7 hours in VRD using software encoding, i could have done it a lot faster if i used Hardware QSV or NVEnc via my 2 graphics chips.


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[lordsmurf]

Maybe no good videoredo alternatives.

The closest I've seen is the $70 payware TMPGEnc Smart Renderer. I've used it for about 10 years now.
https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr6.html

When Womble disappeared, and was sometimes buggy on Win7, I moved to TMPGEnc SR.

[Marayong]

When I tried to edit and save your HEVC videos on my non-pro. it consistently crashed it, whilst your pro version did work .. hence my conclusion that there was very limited HEVC support in the latest non-pro version.

As for Mainconcept, the logs in the latest stable non-pro version clearly state it is using 264/265 encoders, so that one can be put to bed. Mainconcept was indeed retired and replaced with 264/265 before the latest stable release.

Batch conversion .. I've never looked into that since I've never needed to do bulk conversions and when I do convert, sometimes I've used VRD, sometimes handbrake, sometimes ffmpeg ... it all depended on what I was converting and why. So my experience with that on VRD is pretty vague. For such things I had the impression that they were added into VRD as part of the extras toolkit, but they were not primary features, so you could probably find other software that does it better. For example, VRD has the ability to take a video file and burn it to a DVD. It can do it, but compared to specialist software it's pretty basic. After all, as I said in the previous post, VRD is primarily meant to be a video editor, with other features tacked on to make it something of a swiss army knife.

Anyways, back to the query that restarted this thread .. yes, you could use VRD to convert the mpeg-2 files to HEVC, but the processing time means doing this for 600 or so movies makes the project impracticable, no matter what conversion software one may use. This is not a software restriction, but a computer hardware one. As it has been recommended elsewhere, you are better off getting a bigger hard drive instead.

[Seeker47]

A WD Gold Helium series, named Helium because the innards are sealed in a helium atmosphere, which dramatically extends the lifespan of the drives and makes them whisper quiet ... normal 16T drives typically sound and vibrate like jet engines.

Although a longtime fan of the WD Black series as my preferred 'Go To', have to admit that I was unfamiliar with this Gold series. A quick Google search brought up this:

"Is WD Gold good for PC ?
No. It is supposed to be a higher quality drive than the Black but it is not as suitable for desktop use as the Black since the Gold is designed for data center use. Data center drives have TLER-Time Limited Error Recovery-which limits the amount of time a drive will attempt to recover an error."

There was a review of the 22TB model at Toms Hardware. Plus this: https://www.overclock.net/threads/wd-black-vs-wd-gold-in-my-main-pc-for-storing-movies...eries.1632449/

Some indication that it may have more appropriate use for NAS and for backup ? Also some mention that it was due for imminent EOL and replacement by an HGST line, with remaining stocks expected to dwindle.

[dsteinschneider]

Thanks @marayong and @bridgy for the thoughtful replies. I have the non pro version of VRD 6 (TV Suite). I'm glad to find out I can license it to a new machine in the future thanks to Dan. I'll stick with the last stable version.

When I had cable TV and WMC with HDHomeRun Prime I recorded lots of movies. They are 1080p MPEG-2 with high bitrates and look fine but the files are routinely 10GB. Agree storage is cheap so will just leave as is.

I used VRD to remove commercials and trim beginning and ends. It really was a snap to clean up most movies. I still use it to cut down downloaded YouTube music tutorials to just the instruction parts.

I use Handbrake (and sometimes command line ffmpeg) for some conversion needs.

[Bridgy]

The closest I've seen is the $70 payware TMPGEnc Smart Renderer. I've used it for about 10 years now.
https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr6.html

I think maybe almost correct as it does Smart Cut and Smart Render, it does Titles but in overlay format, not in Text or Graphics Format that i prefer with VRD, and it does a few other things too, BUT it does not Export to other Formats.

So for your $60 you get all that, except for no Export to other Formats.

For $110 for Video Mastering Works 7 you also get most of what VRD has, except the Smart Render feature, and this just does not make any sense at all, so if you need Smart Cut, Smart Rendering, Export to other formats, and maybe add titles, you would need to buy both, or just get Smart Renderer 6 and use Handbrake for example to Export to other formats.

Pegasis Software is really ripping customers off by doing this, usually if you buy a more expensive, or more of a premium version of a Software, you expect to get the features that are already in the lesser version, just as VRD did when releasing the Pro version at a much higher cost, you got the usual non Pro features, plus additional features too.

So for my own purposes, i would rather pay $60 for TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 to do what VRD does, but just use Handbrake for my Exports to other formats, given that these exports require a full recode of the files anyway.

Also, because i don't like titles overlaid onto my video frames, i think that i just might be able to use my newly invented Title creation method with TMPGEnc, just as i can now do in VRD with my 4k/60p HEVC files.

[Bridgy]

When I tried to edit and save your HEVC videos on my non-pro. it consistently crashed it, whilst your pro version did work .. hence my conclusion that there was very limited HEVC support in the latest non-pro version.

Your non Pro can import HEVC files and export to other Formats, and it can export various file formats to HEVC as well, either by using the Intelligent Recode feature, or by setting up your own HEVC export Profile, this much i do know works in the Non Pro version as well as Pro, but Dan most likely gave more of his time to the Pro Beat version for other HEVC features.

As for Mainconcept, the logs in the latest stable non-pro version clearly state it is using 264/265 encoders, so that one can be put to bed. Mainconcept was indeed retired and replaced with 264/265 before the latest stable release.

Absolutely correct, and i am so pleased about this too, no more having to use Handbrake for my x264/x265 exports to other formats, VRD uses these 2 encoders as well.

Batch conversion .. I've never looked into that since I've never needed to do bulk conversions and when I do convert, sometimes I've used VRD, sometimes handbrake, sometimes ffmpeg ... it all depended on what I was converting and why. So my experience with that on VRD is pretty vague. For such things I had the impression that they were added into VRD as part of the extras toolkit, but they were not primary features, so you could probably find other software that does it better.

Sorry i only posted the bit about Batch Conversions earlier because you said that VRD does not have, or does not do Batch conversion, but when it comes to other Software doing Batch Conversions better than VRD, well the Batch Tool in my Pro version is by far the best one that i have ever used, and it has always been one of the main features of VRD, among others.

Obvioulsly you either don't have the same Batch Tool feature that i have in VRD, or you just don't use it to know how good it really is, but anyway, it doesn't really matter, the point is that VRD does do Batch conversions.

For example, VRD has the ability to take a video file and burn it to a DVD. It can do it, but compared to specialist software it's pretty basic. After all, as I said in the previous post, VRD is primarily meant to be a video editor, with other features tacked on to make it something of a swiss army knife.

Who on earth buys and plays DVD's now days, or even burn stuff to DVD, i gave all that up back in the dark ages.

Anyways, back to the query that restarted this thread .. yes, you could use VRD to convert the mpeg-2 files to HEVC, but the processing time means doing this for 600 or so movies makes the project impracticable, no matter what conversion software one may use. This is not a software restriction, but a computer hardware one. As it has been recommended elsewhere, you are better off getting a bigger hard drive instead.

For converting mpeg-2 (dvd) movies to any other format, i would never use software encoding, not even for 1 movie, regardless how powerful a computer might be.

Because of dvd quality, you would get by with using hardware encoding instead (QSV or NVEnc for example) as it is super fast compared to software encoding, and as far as the exported video quality goes with using hardware encoding, you really won't notice much as long as you are using the correct export quality settings.

I would throw them into the VRD Batch Tool, select or create a custom Export profile using the Intelligent Recode feature so that VRD will encode the files at a predetermined Bitrate that will offer the best video quality that matches the source files, as this feature is what makes VRD so good, so there is no guesswork when it comes to having to set your own video bitrate to match your source files.

[dsteinschneider]

Thanks for the update - I'm not sure why I didn't notice that VRD V6 TVSuite had HEVC as an encode option.

Las night I coverted a 10GB WMC recorded (via HDHomeRun Prime) TMC wtv/mpeg-2 movie. The converter ran for 2.3 hours and produced an HEVC file of 3GB at 2,135 kbps that looks fine. This isn't a best example because the movie is a black and white from 1935 but quite a few of the movies I want to convert are from that period. I can tell the difference but it's very subtle. I will be converting all the old movies.

BTW, I have a recently retired Dell Precision engineering workstation I can run these conversions on.

[Marayong]

HEVC's .. Bridgy, you've send me links for some of your HEVC videos in which I made a few cuts .. and most of them crashed on saving, also playing the same files was jumpy, so whilst the non-pro version has some HEVC support, it;'s not fully implemented. I think that was just the 60fps ones whilst the 30 fps ones worked fine. So VRD non-pro has limited HEVC support ... but since broadcast & streaming uses 30fps, VRD non-pro should do the job for dsteinschneider, as he has since demonstrated.

I didn't say VRD doesn't do batch jobs, just that I've never used it for batch jobs so I had no idea if it did batches and if it did how to do it. We all have different needs.

As for DVD's ... believe it or not they are still out there and you can still buy them. No, I don't buy them or burn them myself, but I know some people who do. And one reason for buying them is if you want to watch a particular season of a show that has not yet been released on streaming/broadcast in your country or has been released, but only on an obscure streaming service you don't subscribe to. Or maybe an old show you've recently discovered that you'd like to see more of but it's only available on DVD. And I still use optical disks as one of the backups for my photos. I've never used VRD to create a DVD, but I know the ability is built in there. Anyways, DVD burning was just an example of one of the many things VRD does that most people would either be unaware of or don't use.

Dsteinschneider ... if you've not done so already, compare the properties of the two videos (pre and post converted) to make sure nothing crucial has been sacrificed. If you're happy with the slightly lower quality, that's fine .. each to their own.

On a different topic ... WD Gold vs WD Black. I did a lot of looking online for reviews and there are a lot of contradictory claims about the Gold's. They were designed originally for data centres, but the latest versions are also made for the home market. I would have gotten a black, but black's only go up to 10T. Of the 16T drives on the market, the golds have by far the best blazeback reliability figures. As for EOL claims, I've seen those too, but note the Gold's are more recent than the HGST line (which are also now helium based) and I've also read reports the HGST's are slated for EOL .. all such claims are speculations by tech journalists and bloggers, WD is silent on the subject. In the end I needed a 16T drive and of the ones that were available, the Gold was the best option. I would have gotten a black .. if they existed. So for a 16T drive, the gold's are far superiour to the black's, if only because there aint no 16T blacks. And as a final note, I use it for archiving, not everyday use .. it might only be powered up once a month.

[Bridgy]

HEVC's .. Bridgy, you've send me links for some of your HEVC videos in which I made a few cuts .. and most of them crashed on saving, also playing the same files was jumpy, so whilst the non-pro version has some HEVC support, it;'s not fully implemented. I think that was just the 60fps ones whilst the 30 fps ones worked fine. So VRD non-pro has limited HEVC support ... but since broadcast & streaming uses 30fps, VRD non-pro should do the job for dsteinschneider, as he has since demonstrated.

You keep going back to this thing about VRD not having full HEVC support, i have the same issue as you have with the 4k/60p HEVC files, this is a bug that was not completed when Dan passed away, so it is still buggy on both the Pro and non Pro versions, however what i have recently said is that VRD has full HEVC support with regards to importing HEVC files to convert to other formats, and it also works when exporting other format files to HEVC, and if you have issues with either of these 2 options, then it is not VRD causing it, i know for a fact that it works, and it works when using the Intelligent Recode option too.

dsteinschneider also said in his previous post that he has just exported an mpeg-2 file to HEVC so that would support my comments above.

I didn't say VRD doesn't do batch jobs, just that I've never used it for batch jobs so I had no idea if it did batches and if it did how to do it. We all have different needs.

As for converting large numbers of MPEG-2 files to HEVC, you'd be better off using a convertor program (rather than a video editor) and one that offered the ability to do batch conversions. AFAIK, VRD does not do batch conversions. You can do this with Handbrake (which has batch options) and of course ffmpeg.

Sorry but you very clearly stated in a post that you wrote further up the page that VRD does not do Batch conversions (see quote above) and i merely reminded everyone, with a Screenshot, in a previous post that it does, so maybe you need to play with your non Pro version a bit more to understand what it really can and can't do before making statements like that.

I also mentioned that the VRD Batch conversion tool is the best one that i have ever used, including the one in Handbrake, but that is just my opinion, and i also noted that the batch tool is great if you have a bunch of files that you want to export to another format at the same, or as close as you can get to the original without having to set any video quality bitrates or CRF Factors like you do in Handbrake, you simply create an export Profile using the Same as Source option, and setting the encoder to run in Intelligent Recode mode so VRD determines the best video bitrate for each file based on the source file attributes.

Dsteinschneider ... if you've not done so already, compare the properties of the two videos (pre and post converted) to make sure nothing crucial has been sacrificed. If you're happy with the slightly lower quality, that's fine .. each to their own.

This is the biggest issue with doing conversions like movies etc, with most, if not all video encoding software (except VRD) you need to make sure that you know which video bitrate you need to use for your chosen export format to ensure that your export file is as close as possible to the original video file, and in Handbrake as an example, you need to know which CRF Factor (number) you need to set to do this, and even i had no idea how it worked until codemaster came into my Thread and explained it all to me, so now i have all of those CRF details written down in a notepad file to remind me.

This guesswork has already been done for you in VRD using the Intelligent Recode option, as i mentioned just before, and which is why i advised Dsteinschneider to use the VRD Batch tool for his conversions because he will end up with his export files being as close as he can get them to the original source files, but have a smaller file size.

I also hinted that on top of using the VRD Batch tool and exporting his files using the Intelligent Recode option, that he could speed up the process by a mile if he used Hardware based encoding, this can be set in VRD in the Settings section somewhere, and because they are older dvd movies (mpeg-2 i assumed) he would not really notice any video quality degradation, if any.

If you wanted to convert 600 movies and keep the same quality, you would be looking at years of non-stop processing ... and that's with a 12+core machine with a high end GPU, assuming the computer doesn't burn out part way through the whole thing.

I don't think it will take years to convert 600 mpeg-2 movies to the same resolution in say HEVC format, even using Software based encoding, those files are very low resolution so there will be no pressure put on any computer to export them, and the encoding time will be far far less than if he was converting 1080p or 4k video files.

If he used Hardware encoding inside the VRD Batch Tool as i mentioned further up my post, he could get them done easily in a jiffy, and still use his computer while the exports are being done, like i can run a 4k/60p AVC to 1080p HEVC on my 6 core Metabox laptop, and use it for other stuff at the same time.

As far as burning out a computer doing encoding, well that should never be an issue because most, if not all systems have an over heating function that will shut the computer down if the CPU or graphics were to get too hot, and if you had a decent computer, you should have a decent set of coolers set up in your box as well, for laptops it can be a lot more difficult, but keeping vents clean does help, but i have run my Metabox 6 core laptop for 18 hours doing conversions using Software encoding (CPU) and never had any shut downs or over heating issues.

[Alwyn]

Can you lot PLEASE take your VRD-only discussion elsewhere? It annoys me that someone might have found an alternative to VRD (aka the thread title) only to find this sort of post, even branching into different coloured WD hard-drives.

Just because there haven't been any recent posts on alternatives doesn't mean the thread should be used for any subject vaguely related to using VRD itself.

Otherwise, mods, please lock this topic. It's not longer fit for purpose.

[Bridgy]

Can you lot PLEASE take your VRD-only discussion elsewhere? It annoys me that someone might have found an alternative to VRD (aka the thread title) only to find this sort of post, even branching into different coloured WD hard-drives.

Just because there haven't been any recent posts on alternatives doesn't mean the thread should be used for any subject vaguely related to using VRD itself.

Otherwise, mods, please lock this topic. It's not longer fit for purpose.

You have nothing to contribute to this thread, so why not just stay away and not come in here pestering people for no valid reason, it seemed to be fine with the MODS and they simply moved it, so where else do you expect us to go.

I personally thought that this thread was not relavent several pages back, which is why i created my own Thread dealing with my own alternatives to VRD along with my test results of various applications that i tried, so i am happy for all of this to continue in my Thread, that is, IF that is OK with YOU that is

Dam nosey parkers.

[Alwyn]

You have nothing to contribute to this thread, so why not just stay away and not come in here

Because every time I come onto the VideoHelp "new posts" screen (which shows every new post heading in bold on VH) I see this thread has a new post! I think oh, OK, someone might be discussing an alternative, but no, it's you rabbiting on about HEVC encoding in VRD.

so where else do you expect us to go.

I don't know, what about a new thread called "HEVC encoding with VRD".

so i am happy for all of this to continue in my Thread

So why don't you?

[Bridgy]

Because every time I come onto the VideoHelp "new posts" screen (which shows every new post heading in bold on VH) I see this thread has a new post! I think oh, OK, someone might be discussing an alternative, but no, it's you rabbiting on about HEVC encoding in VRD.

I am not the only one rabbiting on about HEVC support in VRD, but anyway, if you don't like it then just go somewhere else and stop crying about it in here.

So why don't you?

I did try to move this kind of conversation to my own Thread, but some just seem to ignore my thread and keep responding to posts being made in here, so i just follow the other sheep, but not any more.

Also, thinking about it all now, i don't believe that this Thread is not relevant now, but if you want it closed then just report it to the Moderators, and let them decide, as for me, i am over all of this complaining, so i won't be contributing to this Thread any more, the others can do whatever they like from now on.

[dsteinschneider]

@Alwyn, I was searching for VRD alternatives and landed on this thread but found out that VRD is the alternative in my case

[Seeker47]

I did try to move this kind of conversation to my own Thread, but some just seem to ignore my thread and keep responding to posts being made in here, so i just follow the other sheep, but not any more.

Also, thinking about it all now, i don't believe that this Thread is not relevant now, but if you want it closed then just report it to the Moderators, and let them decide, as for me, i am over all of this complaining, so i won't be contributing to this Thread any more, the others can do whatever they like from now on.

I don't regret the existence of your alternate "results" thread at all, fine that it is available, it's just that it got deep into the tech weeds and WAY over my head quite some time ago. Perhaps it will have some reference value for me somewhere down the line. For the moment, I would just be in search of some good, step-by-step, non-stratospheric tutorials on VRD (better if illustrated PDF, but O.K. if only as videos) -- if such exist. I'll start that search on the VH VRD page.

It does annoy me no end whenever threads get locked arbitrarily, absent some overwhelmingly justifiable reasons. Really and truly, how hard is to just skip past reading the posts that don't do anything for you ? I do that all the time, saving much wasted effort.

[Bridgy]

To anyone who wants deeper and more informed info about real alternatives, or software that can do some of what VRD can do, just take yourself over to my thread and post it there, if you can tolerate my rantings.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/416487-Alternatives-for-VideoReDo-TV-Suite-with-Te...-Results/page8

I am only here to try and help, unlike some others who just bitch and complain about a topic that they don't even contribute to, but criticize those who do.

If anyone wants any help or advice on how to use VRD for various applications or scenarios, please feel free to post it in my thread and i will do my best, or just message me.

Cheers everyone

[Baldrick]

A dedicated VRD thread might be good.

But it would also be okey to discuss Videoredo manual activations problems in this thread.

[Marayong]

For what it's worth, the videohelp page for VRD has a link to "More information about VideoReDo TVSuite", which links to this discussion thread. To me, that would seem to mean that this thread is already for general discussion about VRD???

[Bridgy]

For what it's worth, the videohelp page for VRD has a link to "More information about VideoReDo TVSuite", which links to this discussion thread. To me, that would seem to mean that this thread is already for general discussion about VRD???

Yet it was originally designed for Alternatives to VRD, so i am now more confused than ever, and it goes completely against the comments made up the page by our good friend and non contributor, Mr Alwyn, who wants the Thread closed.

Personally, i am with Baldrick, and as i already mentioned in my own thread, it would be far better to create a new Thread just for VRD Help and Advice, to which i will be happy to create and help out with when i can.

Also, if a new Thread was created for VRD purposes only, could a link to the new Thread in here be posted in other VRD related Topics in other Forums too, rather than point them to this Thread.

Those in favor, just raise your hands

[Baldrick]

For what it's worth, the videohelp page for VRD has a link to "More information about VideoReDo TVSuite", which links to this discussion thread. To me, that would seem to mean that this thread is already for general discussion about VRD???

I can change that link to a new VideoRedo only discussion thread.

[Baldrick]

Bridgy: Yes, make a new VRD discussion thread! In the Editing section.

Include a link to the manual activation https://videoredo.online/

And a link to latest beta download, https://www.videohelp.com/download/VRDTVS-6-63-7-836d.exe

I will then link the software page to it.

[Bridgy]

ok i will do it now, anyone else who likes to help can do so, or if you have any ideas on what should be included in the Thread OP let me know.

[Bridgy]

And a link to latest beta download, https://www.videohelp.com/download/VRDTVS-6-63-7-836d.exe

Is this link for the Non Pro version of TV Suite 6.

I currently use the last known Beta version of Pro, which was VRDPro-6-93-7-836a, given to me by Dan Rosen in March 2022.

[Baldrick]

I guess Prowo knows exact what version that is,
See https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/407142-VideoReDo-alternatives/page3#post2719062

[Bridgy]

My new dedicated VRD Thread is linked below.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/417438-VideoReDo-TVSuite-VideoReDo-Professional-Ge...ad#post2766077

I guess Prowo knows exact what version that is,

See https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/407142-VideoReDo-alternatives/page3#post2719062

I will grab that myself and upload it to my personal IceDrive Professional Cloud Storage service and provide a link in my new VRD thread, along with my download link for the last known Professional Beta version.