Vertical orange/yellowish line when transferring tapes (miniDV/Hi8)

[wolf-z]

Hey, I have bought a FireWire PCI-e adapter and I have been transferring miniDV tapes via the firewire port (4-pin to 6-pin) on the SONY DCR-HC52E.
I have used both WinDV and ScenalyzerLive utilities to capture the tapes (AVI type2). Both are great tools but I've decided to stick with ScenalyzerLive.
I have noticed an orange/yellowish vertical line present on the left side of the recorded videos and it appears all the time even when previewing the camcorder's live-feed camera. Is there any fix for that or it is considered to be normal?

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Even when I tried to transfer Hi8 tapes using Sony CCD-TRV27E and passthrough A/D converter using my other SONY DCR-HC52E, the vertical line still appears.

Is this caused by the FireWire PCI-e adapter? or the FireWire cable? personally, I don't think it is related. I've been using the 4-pin to 6-pin, but I also have a 4-pin to 4-pin cable but haven't tried it, and I don't think it would make any difference, to be honest.

video sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14jDTSELN1hkvlliYUi3oib_Yw_qkzcty/view?usp=sharing

more details:
Using the latest build of Windows 10 pro
FireWire adapter used

[jagabo]

There's nothing unusual about bad colors at the edges of the frame with analog camcorders. In those days you never saw the edges of the frame -- they were hidden by the TV's overscan. Crop them away or cover them with black in post.

[ConsumerDV]

That's weird. I have never seen artefacts like that on my DV videos. You have two HC52E camcorders? Or you used the same one for native DV and for A/D conversion? My guess is no better than anyone else's, but I would think it is either the camcorder or something wrong with Firewire. Then again, DV frame is 720 pixels wide, and for 4:3 frame you need only 704 of them

[Skiller]

The FireWire cable and the PCI-e adapter used cannot cause this.
It must be by design of the HC52E. Is it something to worry about? No. I had a MiniDV camcorder that would record two or so black lines at the top. As jagabo says it is well within overscan areas and is therefore not considered an issue.

[dellsam34]

DV frame is 720 pixels wide, and for 4:3 frame you need only 704 of them

Yes NTSC miniDV is 720x480 full active frame no padded pixels with a PAR=8/9, But 704 is for analog sources only and has PAR=10/11, if you crop miniDV to 704 you change the aspect ratio, not noticeable to most people but it's there, unless he is using DV as a passthrough.

It's probably bad caps at the chroma processor making it shift the chroma to the right by few pixels. Jagabo posted a script before for analog camcorders where the chroma shift was from the right to the left.

[jagabo]

DV from camcorders may have picture all the way to the edges of the frame but the PAR is 10:11 just like rec.601 analog video capture. It's been discussed and shown here many times.

[ConsumerDV]

Yes NTSC miniDV is 720x480 full active frame no padded pixels with a PAR=8/9

Vegas does not agree with you.

[dellsam34]

DV from camcorders may have picture all the way to the edges of the frame but the PAR is 10:11 just like rec.601 analog video capture. It's been discussed and shown here many times.

I agree when creating a DV file from an analog source, but what about the camcorder's own CCD? I think the only way to find out is doing a circle test like I did for V8/Hi8 camcorder and use both SAR's and see which one provides a perfect circle, the only problem is I don't have a minDV camcorder, I have a DV/HDV/DVCAM studio deck, What a bummer.

Edit:
I dug up some miniDV transfers I have on my hard drive and they are all 720x480 4:3 aspect ratio with PAR 8/9 confirmed by several media players. I would like to post a sample but that will derail the thread, maybe for another topic.

[jagabo]

but what about the camcorder's own CCD?

It's the same.

I think the only way to find out is doing a circle test like I did for V8/Hi8 camcorder and use both SAR's and see which one provides a perfect circle

It's been done. I've done it myself. And confirms the 10:11 SAR.

I dug up some miniDV transfers I have on my hard drive and they are all 720x480 4:3 aspect ratio with PAR 8/9 confirmed by several media players.

The media players are wrong.

[Sharc]

Edit:
I dug up some miniDV transfers I have on my hard drive and they are all 720x480 4:3 aspect ratio with PAR 8/9 confirmed by several media players.

VirtualDub2 lists 10:11 for DV-NTSC.
One should not blindly trust media players as these - when seeing 720x480 and 4:3 - simply assume the generic DVD mpeg2 PAR of 8:9 by default, or "calculate" it like 480/720x4/3 = 8/9.
One more circle test should be easy though

[dellsam34]

This turned out to be a big stinking controversy in video history, for the sake of not hijacking the thread please respond in this thread.

[jagabo]

Here's one quick dirty method of removing the orange discoloration:

AviSource("scene'20090708 20.23.44.avi") 

patch = Crop(6,0,4,0).BilinearResize(6, height)
patch = Overlay(last, patch)
MergeChroma(last, patch)
QTGMC()

The colors from near the edge replace the discolored pixels at the edge.

[Alwyn]

Marvellous, Jabago.