Dear all
My 5 years old PC is based on an intel i7 6700k, Nvidia GTX 960 and Asus Z170 Pro gaming M/B. I have been struggling to play 4K videos and occasional 4k games.
Just wondering if upgrading my video card into something more powerful such as GTX 1660 at £400.00 is will do the job or I will have to ditch it in favour of a new PC with faster processor and or a graphic card.
Thanks
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It will be better to get a new computer with a decent video card since it's almost impossible to buy a good card unless you want to pay more than a $1000 for a $350 card.The 1660 might cut it but i would buy a new computer.
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Thanks for your reply. A new decent pc is certainly an easy option but a bit expensive at present. I really would like to know if the combination of i7 6700k and the GTX 1660 [which I can get at £400] is helpful and if it is not then I would have to buy a new pc. -
Can't really say,your cpu is outdated and not sure if a 1660 will play a 4k video decently but will still struggle to play 4k games decently,in other words if you want to play 4k games and 4k videos buy a new system with a 3060ti video card at least,your system will still choke using a 1660 for 4k games.
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The GTX 1660 can decode 4K video using NVDEC for the following codecs: VP9, H.264, and HEVC. However, it doesn't support decoding VC1 AV1 with NVDEC. (VC1 AV1 is what YouTube uses for many 4K videos.) From what I was able to find out, the GTX 1660 is not recommended for 4K gaming.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVDEC and https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1660.c3365Last edited by usually_quiet; 29th Nov 2021 at 10:09. Reason: Correct codec name/
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From a PC media playback perspective, get a product with a built-in hardware AV1-decoder. Probably wait until January (CES 2022) for release dates.
This could be 11th or 12th gen intel igpu, a discrete intel gpu or a nvidia rtx3050. -
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11th gen CPUs (Tiger Lake and Rocket Lake) have support for 10-bit AV1. Laptops with Tiger Lake are already available. Rocket Lake CPUs are available but I don't know which pre-built desktops if any are using them. 12th gen (Alder Lake) was just released and a few desktop CPUs are available. I don't know if any pre-built desktops or laptops with Alder Lake are available yet.
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Oh dear!
I thought I knew something about videos but amongst you video giants I feel myself to be tiny!
Now I have to read about AV1 to understand what you are saying.
Do I have to buy a new PC with a processor supporting AV1 hard coding in order to play 4k? Certainly such a pc would be rather expensive.
I will have a look at i5 11400 as suggested. Thanks for every one -
AV1 is a new, highly compressed open format that is a low-cost alternative to HEVC. YouTube uses it instead of HEVC for UHD resolutions.
Decompressing 4K AV1 using a software codec requires a lot of processing power. Where AV1 decoding is supported, hardware decoding using Nvidia's NVDEC or Intel's Quick Sync Video is much faster, especially for 4K video. AV1 has been added to QSV for 11th gen and 12 gen Intel Core i processors. Unfortunately, since AV1 is so new, only a small number of expensive new Nvidia's discrete graphics cards can decode it (GeForce RTX 3070, RTX 3080, RTX 3090). AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series graphics cards are the first AMD graphics cards where AMD's Unified Video Decoder can decode AV1. No AMD APUs support AV1 decoding.Last edited by usually_quiet; 1st Dec 2021 at 18:20. Reason: Added model numbers for the Nvidia graphics cards that can decode AV1
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You should probably look at the codec and details of the videos you are having trouble playing with mediainfo.
To play 4K video smoothly, a hardware decoder (dgpu, igpu) for the desired codec (ex: h264, h265 10bit, vp9, av1) is typically required, not Cpu.
av1 is a quite recent codec and so far it is only really used by youtube (like vp9), but it may see wider adoption for streaming/web video in the future. -
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OK guys, I have looked for RTX 3060 ti and come up with the following options:
1 - Ryzen 5 5600x CPU + 16 GB DDR4 RAM from Chillblast.com at £1580
2 - Intel i5 11600k CPU + 16 GB DDR4 RAM from Chillblast.com at £1650
3 - Intel i7 11700k CPU + 16 GB DDR4 RAM from Dell at £1600
The last option is from Alienware:
4 - Ryzen 7 5800X CPU + AMD Radeon™ RX 6600XT 8GB GDDR6 at £1500
I have read that Intel latest generations CPUs have issues with overheating so should I avoid them?
Please bear with me for my next question: Is 32 MB RAM better than 16 MB RAM whether it is DDR4 or GDDR6 ?
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Why don't you just spend US$20 to US$50 on a media player for 4K? The only thing you'll be missing is AV1 decoding. About the only source of AV1 videos is youtube and everything they have in AV1 they also have in VP9. Get a new computer later when you need it. Or a new graphics card once AV1 is supported and prices come down -- probably a year or more from now.
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I would get the Ryzen 5 5600x CPU + 16 GB DDR4 RAM from Chillblast.com at £1580,it will play 4k games,as to ram DDR6 is for video card memory and DDR4 is for computer memory with DDR5 trickling in,16gb of ram is good enough for gaming.
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I have the Chromecast With Google TV, which is also available in the UK. Currys has it for £59.99. I have been using mine for a year and like it very much. It is 4K-capable but since I don't have broadband Internet with enough bandwidth to stream 4K I haven't tried it for that.
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Here are my specs, play 4k no stutter, perfect.
Not a high end machine by far...
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 8 (max 8)
Manufacturer AuthenticAMD
Name AMD Ryzen 5 2400G
Specification AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
Package Socket AM4
Memory Type DDR4
Memory Size 32 GBytes
Memory Frequency 1064.5 MHz
Memory type DDR4
Module format UDIMM
Module Manufacturer(ID) Corsair
SDRAM Manufacturer (ID) SK Hynix
Size 8192 MBytes
Max bandwidth DDR4-2132 (1066 MHz)
Part number CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
Mainboard Model PRIME B450M-A
DMI Baseboard
vendor ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
model PRIME B450M-A
revision Rev X.0x
Drive 0
Name WDC WDS500G2B0A
Revision X61190WD
Capacity 465.8 GB
Type Fixed, SSD
Bus Type SATA (11)
Display adapter 0
Name NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
Board Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
Memory type GDDR5 (Samsung)
Memory size 4 GB
Software
Windows Version Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Home 64-bit (Build 19042)
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Between the two of them, the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti and the AMD Ryzen 5 2400G's Radeon RX Vega 11 Graphics decode most of the codecs used for 4K video other than 4:4:4 HEVC and AV1.
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The internal GPU of the AMD chip is at best anemic... would hardly support 1080 gaming. It is disabled in the BIOS, the 1050 is the only video device being used.
I did run the AMD GPU until I was able to save up for a real video solution. Even at $300, the 1050 TI is still a lower end card, but at least I can encode at 200fps 1080 video using NVENC (Vs. 70fps with CPU). -
My point was that lots of discrete GPUs and processor graphics (including yours) can provide smooth playback for 4K video of one kind or another but only a few new ones can decode all of the codecs commonly used for 4K video at present.
The relatively puny Intel UHD 630 graphics provided by my HTPC's Intel i5-10400 and my desktop PC's Intel i5-8400 can play some 4K video smoothly (4:2:0 HEVC video from UHD Blu-ray and 4K H.264 video) but can't play the 4K VP9 videos or 4K AV1 videos from YouTube. Your 1050 TI can do a bit better than that but it still won't decode 4K AV1 YouTube videos.
shaema never mentioned wanting to encode 4K video in his posts.Last edited by usually_quiet; 1st Dec 2021 at 17:58.
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Yes, I've had the Chromecast for a year now too. It's been my main media player since getting it. For me it's important to be able to play videos stored on my NAS as well as Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.
I recently bought the Walmart Onn Android TV player just to see what the US$20 Android TV device could do. It's almost as good as the Chromecast. It's capable of playing 4K, HDR, 60 FPS, 10 bi,t VP9 video. But like the Chromecast, similar AV1 video doesn't play smoothly. Neither has a hardware decoder for AV1 and both have insufficient CPU power for software AV1 decoding at that frame rate and frame size. -
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The GPU's ability to decode all of its supported video codecs is integrated into the hardware. If a GPU doesn't support decoding a particular codec then the CPU and software codecs are responsible for decoding. Since all the codecs used for 4K are highly compressed, that is a heavy lift for most processors.
Your GPU has support for VP9 decoding. See https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new ...but try playing a 4K 30fps VC1 AV1 video from YouTube.Last edited by usually_quiet; 1st Dec 2021 at 21:06. Reason: I keep typing VC1 when I mean AV1
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It does not play AV1. Download some 4K HDR 10bit AV1 videos from youtube and see for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkggXE5e2yk
MediaInfo report:
Code:Video ID : 1 Format : AV1 Format/Info : AOMedia Video 1 Format profile : Main@L5.1 HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible Codec ID : V_AV1 Duration : 59 s 993 ms Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 59.940 FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 10 bits Title : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc. Default : Yes Forced : No Color range : Limited Color primaries : BT.2020 Transfer characteristics : PQ Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant Mastering display color primaries : Display P3 Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0099 cd/m2, max: 2000 cd/m2 Maximum Content Light Level : 2000 Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 300
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Last edited by butterw; 2nd Dec 2021 at 09:16.
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I wasn't being served anything. I downloaded the version I wanted (4K, 60Hz, 10 bit, HDR, AV1) with yt-dlp. Then I cut it down to one minute and uploaded it here.
available streams:
Code:C:\Youtube-dl>yt-dlp -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkggXE5e2yk [youtube] mkggXE5e2yk: Downloading webpage [youtube] mkggXE5e2yk: Downloading android player API JSON [info] Available formats for mkggXE5e2yk: ID EXT RESOLUTION FPS | FILESIZE TBR PROTO | VCODEC VBR ACODEC ABR ASR MORE INFO --- ---- ---------- --- - ---------- ------ ----- - ------------------------------ ------ --------- ---- ------- --------------------------------- 139 m4a audio only | 946.14KiB 48k https | mp4a.40.5 48k 22050Hz low, m4a_dash 249 webm audio only | 1.16MiB 61k https | opus 61k 48000Hz low, webm_dash 250 webm audio only | 1.53MiB 80k https | opus 80k 48000Hz low, webm_dash 140 m4a audio only | 2.45MiB 129k https | mp4a.40.2 129k 44100Hz medium, m4a_dash 251 webm audio only | 2.94MiB 155k https | opus 155k 48000Hz medium, webm_dash 17 3gp 176x144 7 | 1.48MiB 77k https | mp4v.20.3 77k mp4a.40.2 0k 22050Hz 144p 394 mp4 256x144 30 | 1.32MiB 69k https | av01.0.00M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 69k 144p HDR, mp4_dash 160 mp4 256x144 30 | 1.91MiB 100k https | avc1.4d400c 100k 144p, mp4_dash 278 webm 256x144 30 | 1.78MiB 94k https | vp9 94k 144p, webm_dash 694 mp4 256x144 60 | 3.75MiB 198k https | av01.0.00M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 198k 144p60 HDR, mp4_dash 330 webm 256x144 60 | 4.29MiB 226k https | vp9.2 226k 144p60 HDR, webm_dash 395 mp4 426x240 30 | 2.78MiB 146k https | av01.0.00M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 146k 240p HDR, mp4_dash 133 mp4 426x240 30 | 4.15MiB 219k https | avc1.4d4015 219k 240p, mp4_dash 242 webm 426x240 30 | 4.08MiB 215k https | vp9 215k 240p, webm_dash 695 mp4 426x240 60 | 8.25MiB 436k https | av01.0.01M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 436k 240p60 HDR, mp4_dash 331 webm 426x240 60 | 8.82MiB 466k https | vp9.2 466k 240p60 HDR, webm_dash 396 mp4 640x360 30 | 5.77MiB 304k https | av01.0.01M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 304k 360p HDR, mp4_dash 134 mp4 640x360 30 | 10.65MiB 563k https | avc1.4d401e 563k 360p, mp4_dash 18 mp4 640x360 30 | 15.01MiB 793k https | avc1.42001E 793k mp4a.40.2 0k 44100Hz 360p 243 webm 640x360 30 | 7.98MiB 422k https | vp9 422k 360p, webm_dash 696 mp4 640x360 60 | 17.06MiB 902k https | av01.0.04M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 902k 360p60 HDR, mp4_dash 332 webm 640x360 60 | 18.86MiB 997k https | vp9.2 997k 360p60 HDR, webm_dash 397 mp4 854x480 30 | 10.27MiB 543k https | av01.0.04M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 543k 480p HDR, mp4_dash 135 mp4 854x480 30 | 19.57MiB 1035k https | avc1.4d401f 1035k 480p, mp4_dash 244 webm 854x480 30 | 14.32MiB 757k https | vp9 757k 480p, webm_dash 697 mp4 854x480 60 | 31.98MiB 1691k https | av01.0.05M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 1691k 480p60 HDR, mp4_dash 333 webm 854x480 60 | 35.54MiB 1879k https | vp9.2 1879k 480p60 HDR, webm_dash 22 mp4 1280x720 30 | 2169k https | avc1.64001F 2169k mp4a.40.2 0k 44100Hz 720p 136 mp4 1280x720 30 | 38.57MiB 2040k https | avc1.4d401f 2040k 720p (maybe throttled), mp4_dash 247 webm 1280x720 30 | 29.31MiB 1550k https | vp9 1550k 720p (maybe throttled), webm_dash 398 mp4 1280x720 60 | 30.46MiB 1611k https | av01.0.08M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 1611k 720p60 HDR, mp4_dash 698 mp4 1280x720 60 | 73.35MiB 3879k https | av01.0.08M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 3879k 720p60 HDR, mp4_dash 298 mp4 1280x720 60 | 58.52MiB 3095k https | avc1.4d4020 3095k 720p60, mp4_dash 302 webm 1280x720 60 | 50.30MiB 2660k https | vp9 2660k 720p60, webm_dash 334 webm 1280x720 60 | 81.02MiB 4285k https | vp9.2 4285k 720p60 HDR, webm_dash 399 mp4 1920x1080 60 | 56.50MiB 2988k https | av01.0.09M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 2988k 1080p60 HDR, mp4_dash 699 mp4 1920x1080 60 | 121.74MiB 6439k https | av01.0.09M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 6439k 1080p60 HDR, mp4_dash 299 mp4 1920x1080 60 | 98.25MiB 5197k https | avc1.64002a 5197k 1080p60, mp4_dash 303 webm 1920x1080 60 | 85.52MiB 4523k https | vp9 4523k 1080p60, webm_dash 335 webm 1920x1080 60 | 124.25MiB 6572k https | vp9.2 6572k 1080p60 HDR, webm_dash 400 mp4 2560x1440 60 | 123.03MiB 6507k https | av01.0.12M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 6507k 1440p60 HDR, mp4_dash 700 mp4 2560x1440 60 | 285.37MiB 15094k https | av01.0.12M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 15094k 1440p60 HDR, mp4_dash 308 webm 2560x1440 60 | 234.03MiB 12379k https | vp9 12379k 1440p60, webm_dash 336 webm 2560x1440 60 | 295.29MiB 15619k https | vp9.2 15619k 1440p60 HDR, webm_dash 401 mp4 3840x2160 60 | 248.27MiB 13131k https | av01.0.13M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 13131k 2160p60 HDR, mp4_dash 701 mp4 3840x2160 60 | 527.70MiB 27912k https | av01.0.13M.10.0.110.09.16.09.0 27912k 2160p60 HDR, mp4_dash 315 webm 3840x2160 60 | 475.87MiB 25171k https | vp9 25171k 2160p60, webm_dash 337 webm 3840x2160 60 | 528.65MiB 27962k https | vp9.2 27962k 2160p60 HDR, webm_dash
Code:yt-dlp -f 701+251 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkggXE5e2yk
Last edited by jagabo; 2nd Dec 2021 at 09:06.
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