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    Like that:

    https://youtu.be/nP9C5YjUGyE

    What is 4D Gimbal? You will understand it if you watch this video.

    Short 6min video.
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  2. Think I read about it a few weeks ago on some new site,..
    ~4.5kg and ~2 1/2hrs battery, you probably also need a harness to use this or you need to beef up,...
    (to be fair I doubt anyone will try to carry it for a longer time)
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    Originally Posted by Selur View Post
    Think I read about it a few weeks ago on some new site,..
    ~4.5kg and ~2 1/2hrs battery, you probably also need a harness to use this or you need to beef up,...
    (to be fair I doubt anyone will try to carry it for a longer time)

    I could hold one of my AX700 with one of my 3D gimbal and a small laptop When I shot the noisy video for you at the parliament. I had low temperature (Covid). I had no problems with my spin that day. I shot 1 hour video about the nearby streets too. However my back started to hurt 2 days later, and it was its reason. So it can have an 1-2day long delayed effect on the skilatorial system of the body. So the pain of the spin appear only 1-2 days later.
    I started to record video with the same setup many times, and I can confirm, the pain always appear later.
    The problem is the arm too. I shot 3 hours with 4kg setup without stop, I literally mean I did not even put down the tool for a min.
    The effect was numbness in my arm, and when I couldn't eat my dinner with knife fork and spoon, because I was not able to coordinate my arms that day. My arms trembled in such a degree that to food fall out from my spoon and fork, and I was unable to cut the flash because I cut only the plate (coordination problems)
    Weightlifting with heavy barbell is not so difficult like to hold something without signifficant motion for hours. The lack of motion for a long time causes the pain.

    Normally I have no coordination problems at all, I can play the piano or on the guitar (I'm not a musician) enough well for amateur standards.

    The best solution is to stop in every 20 min, and rest for 5 min (more exactly move your arms), so you can avoid the above mentioned problems.
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    This clip is much more funny and revealing if you watch it with the sound off.

    Other than the geese shots, and a few short walking shots, there is almost NO footage from the actual camera.
    What there is has its motion artifacts hidden by lots of slo-mo, particularly when shot at faster-than-normal speed originally.
    It is an interesting idea, not properly realized (because there ARE hidden gotchas regarding how it is held), that is being promoted by a company that while I expect that they do drones (and perhaps general robotics) pretty well, I would not put my money on standard pro- or semi-pro- camera setups.
    It also CLEARLY is not cheap. $7199 (for the 6k, $11499 for the 8k).
    For nearly 8 grand or more, I could/would get my own stabilization system of choice and put it on better sensors and optics.

    Pro- and Semi-pro camera persons, sound persons, grips, etc. do not have the luxury of stopping every 20 minutes to rest. They would lose their shot opportunies.
    If you do this all day for days on end (I did), the equipment used needs to be designed properly so you don't have physical problems in the aftermath. No matter how whiz-bang the technology, if they can't fix bad design, it isn't really worth investing in.


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    Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    This clip is much more funny and revealing if you watch it with the sound off.

    Other than the geese shots, and a few short walking shots, there is almost NO footage from the actual camera.
    What there is has its motion artifacts hidden by lots of slo-mo, particularly when shot at faster-than-normal speed originally.
    It is an interesting idea, not properly realized (because there ARE hidden gotchas regarding how it is held), that is being promoted by a company that while I expect that they do drones (and perhaps general robotics) pretty well, I would not put my money on standard pro- or semi-pro- camera setups.
    It also CLEARLY is not cheap. $7199 (for the 6k, $11499 for the 8k).
    For nearly 8 grand or more, I could/would get my own stabilization system of choice and put it on better sensors and optics.

    Pro- and Semi-pro camera persons, sound persons, grips, etc. do not have the luxury of stopping every 20 minutes to rest. They would lose their shot opportunies.
    If you do this all day for days on end (I did), the equipment used needs to be designed properly so you don't have physical problems in the aftermath. No matter how whiz-bang the technology, if they can't fix bad design, it isn't really worth investing in.

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    That's why the real big Film industry will never use any gimbals, but they use steadicam. (The crew don't have time to rest)
    Gimbal is for amateur filmmakers.

    Steadicam allows you to hold even 20-30kg tools in a very comfortable pleasant way.











    With the help of steadicam technology, all the weight goes down to your hipster, and as a result, you won't have any SKELETAL neither muscle pain problems.
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    You are mistaken.


    While Steadicam is the king of stabilizers, any pro knows that these are all various tools that one uses in their toolkit to achieve a particular purpose, and you pick the tool that best tackles the job at hand.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.redsharknews.com/production/item/5915-here-s-why-stea...%3fhs_amp=true.
    But know also, that among the family of steadicam products, there are gimbal devices, so even they acknowledge their usefulness.

    The reality is that there is a spectrum of overlapping, if tiered, options, and the choice of solution is rarely if ever one so black and white with hyperbole-laden superlatives such as you seem to prefer and prescribe.

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    Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    You are mistaken.


    While Steadicam is the king of stabilizers, any pro knows that these are all various tools that one uses in their toolkit to achieve a particular purpose, and you pick the tool that best tackles the job at hand.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.redsharknews.com/production/item/5915-here-s-why-stea...%3fhs_amp=true.
    But know also, that among the family of steadicam products, there are gimbal devices, so even they acknowledge their usefulness.

    The reality is that there is a spectrum of overlapping, if tiered, options, and the choice of solution is rarely if ever one so black and white with hyperbole-laden superlatives such as you seem to prefer and prescribe.

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    Scott!

    Can you see that ultra serious looking huge cinema camera?


    Try to put it on simple big gimbal, which is traditionally handheld device.
    If you do not look like the Rock, I guarantee you will end up at the orthopedic specialist, or you will fall out of work for at least a week.

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    Ha. ha.

    That is very funny...

    Anyway, as I've already stated, you use the proper tool for the job. There ARE gimbal systems that are not "simple" as you put it, and those would also be able to support such a rigorous workflow/setup. Much of that capability is in the use of the harness to re-distribute the weight. That same harness can be coupled with a variety of manufacturers' systems. Once the weight is counterbalanced and redistributed, it is not the overriding issue.
    No one would try to put it on a "simple gimbal" anyway, nor is anyone suggesting you should. Quite the contrary, in fact. But you brought up the gimbal system in the OP, as if it was a marvel.

    BTW, you are mistaken again. That is NOT strictly a cinema camera, but more clearly an Broadcast/ENG camera (something similar to the attached)Image
    [Attachment 61875 - Click to enlarge]
    . I am familiar with the body, and that whole line of cams. Maybe it was being used for cinema work (doubt it, but you never know), but that wasn't its prime purpose.


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