Hybrid "DVD Input" issue

[60fpshacksrock]

Okay. Thank you for clearing that up.

I will just use iso's mounted with daemon tools.

[60fpshacksrock]

It is now converting as of this post. Thank you for all of your help, @Selur.

I think this issue can be closed now.

[60fpshacksrock]

Well I did think that.

But it happened again. Was trying to use the passthrough options on both DVD input video and audio (passthrough all) to an mkv container and it told me the file was zero bytes.
I was able to get it working by disabling: Use mplayer for DVD audio extraction: on the Config>Input>Extraction tab.
It seems that the issue could be with mplayer.

Also it sometimes crashes when choosing the custom option on audio.

[Selur]

Without a debug output which shows that those problems I can't really help, since I have no way to reproduce those problems.
(one debug output per problem)

Cu Selur

[60fpshacksrock]

Here you go: https://www.mediafire.com/file/7uoido1fen6nrk7/HybridDebugOutput.zip/file

From the dev version you sent me.

[Selur]

The extraction call looks fine:

"C:\Program Files\Hybrid\64bit\mplayer.exe" -v -demuxer lavf -lavfdopts probesize=128 -mc 0 -vc dummy -nocorrect-pts -noconsolecontrols -nocorrect-pts -vc null -vo null -nocache -hardframedrop -aid 128 dvd://1 -dvd-device "D:\VIDEO_TS"  -dumpaudio -dumpfile "C:\output\iId_1_aid_128_lang_en_DELAY_-17ms_2021-08-23@00_31_33_7010_01.ac3"

MPlayer then reports:

MPlayer SVN-r38313-10.3.0 (C) 2000-2021 MPlayer Team
CPU vendor name: AuthenticAMD  max cpuid level: 1
CPU: Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4050e (Family: 15, Model: 107, Stepping: 2)
extended cpuid-level: 24
extended cache-info: 33587520
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNowExt: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 SSE3: 1 SSSE3: 0 SSE4: 0 SSE4.2: 0 AVX: 0
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
get_path('codecs.conf') -> 'C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/codecs.conf'
Reading optional codecs config file C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/codecs.conf:
 No such file or directory
Reading optional codecs config file /local64/etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: No such file or directory
Using built-in default codecs.conf.
init_freetype
Using SSE2 Optimized OnScreenDisplay
get_path('fonts') -> 'C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/fonts'
Configuration: --prefix=/local64 --bindir=/local64/bin-video --extra-cflags=-fpermissive -DPTW32_STATIC_LIB -O3 -DMODPLUG_STATIC --extra-libs=-llzma -liconv -lws2_32 -lpthread -lwinpthread -lpng -lwinmm -LI:/media-autobuild_suite/local64/lib -lilbc -lstdc++           --extra-ldflags=-Wl,--allow-multiple-definition --enable-static --enable-runtime-cpudetection --disable-gif --disable-cddb --disable-faac --with-dvdread-config=/mingw64/bin/pkgconf --keep-system-libs --static dvdread --with-freetype-config=/mingw64/bin/pkgconf --keep-system-libs --static freetype2 --with-dvdnav-config=/mingw64/bin/pkgconf --keep-system-libs --static dvdnav
CommandLine: '-v' '-demuxer' 'lavf' '-lavfdopts' 'probesize=128' '-mc' '0' '-vc' 'dummy' '-nocorrect-pts' '-noconsolecontrols' '-nocorrect-pts' '-vc' 'null' '-vo' 'null' '-nocache' '-hardframedrop' '-aid' '128' 'dvd://1' '-dvd-device' 'D:\VIDEO_TS' '-dumpaudio' '-dumpfile' 'C:\output\iId_1_aid_128_lang_en_DELAY_-17ms_2021-08-23@00_31_33_7010_01.ac3'
Using Windows native timing
get_path('input.conf') -> 'C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/input.conf'
 Parsing input config file C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/input.conf
 Input config file C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/input.conf parsed: 92 binds
get_path('1.conf') -> 'C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/1.conf'
 Playing dvd://1.
get_path('sub/') -> 'C:/Program Files/Hybrid/64bit/mplayer/sub/'
 WINSOCK2 init: 0
URL: dvd://1
 Reading disc structure, please wait...
 There are 9 titles on this DVD.
There are 1 angles in this DVD title.
 DVD successfully opened.
audio stream: 0 format: ac3 (5.1) language: en aid: 128.
audio stream: 1 format: ac3 (5.1) language: fr aid: 129.
number of audio channels on disk: 2.
subtitle ( sid ): 1 language: en
subtitle ( sid ): 3 language: fr
subtitle ( sid ): 5 language: es
number of subtitles on disk: 3

DVD start cell: 0  pack: 0x2C45-0x1BFF5  
DVD start=11333 end=3576999  
STREAM: [null] dvd://1
STREAM: Description: DVD stream
STREAM: Author: 
STREAM: Comment:
 DVD Seek! lba=0x2C45  cell=0  packs: 0x2C45-0x1BFF5  
Angle-seek synced by cell/vob IDN search!  
libavformat version 58.64.100 (internal)
Configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-postproc
 LAVF_check: MPEG-PS (MPEG-2 Program Stream)
 libavformat file format detected.
 DVD Seek! lba=0x2C45  cell=0  packs: 0x2C45-0x1BFF5
 Angle-seek synced by cell/vob IDN search!
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Before avformat_find_stream_info() pos: 0 bytes read:32768 seeks:0 nb_streams:0
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]probing stream 0 pp:2500
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Probe with size=2012, packets=1 detected mpegvideo with score=25
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]probed stream 0
 [mpeg2video @ 00000001411ed080]Format yuv420p chosen by get_format().
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Probe buffer size limit of 128 bytes reached
DVD Seek! lba=0x36942C  cell=39  packs: 0x337F0E-0x3694A7
 libdvdread: Could not open D:\VIDEO_TS with libdvdcss.
libdvdread: Can't open D:\VIDEO_TS for reading
libdvdread: Device D:\VIDEO_TS inaccessible, CSS authentication not available.
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Stream #0: not enough frames to estimate rate; consider increasing probesize
 Angle-seek synced by cell/vob IDN search!
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD Seek! lba=0x3693B2  cell=39  packs: 0x337F0E-0x3694A7
 Angle-seek synced by cell/vob IDN search!  
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD Seek! lba=0x2C45  cell=0  packs: 0x2C45-0x1BFF5  
Angle-seek synced by cell/vob IDN search!
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]stream 1 : no TS found at start of file, duration not set
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]stream 2 : no TS found at start of file, duration not set
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Could not find codec parameters for stream 1 (Audio: ac3, 0 channels): unspecified sample format
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (128) options
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Audio: ac3, 0 channels): unspecified sample format
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (128) options
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]After avformat_find_stream_info() pos: 0 bytes read:344496 seeks:3 frames:1
==> Found video stream: 0
======= VIDEO Format ======
  biSize 192
  biWidth 720
  biHeight 480
  biPlanes 1
  biBitCount 0
  biCompression 843534413='MPG2'
  biSizeImage 0
Unknown extra header dump: [0] [0] [1] [b3] [2d] [1] [e0] [34] [13] [88] [23] [82] [10] [10] [10] [12] [10] [12] [16] [16] [16] [16] [16] [16] [1a] [18] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1c] [1c] [1c] [22] [22] [22] [1a] [1a] [1a] [1c] [1a] [1e] [1e] [20] [20] [22] [22] [24] [20] [24] [22] [22] [22] [22] [26] [26] [28] [28] [28] [30] [30] [2e] [2e] [38] [38] [3a] [44] [44] [53] [8] [8] [8] [8] [8] [8] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [9] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [a] [b] [b] [b] [b] [b] [b] [b] [b] [b] [c] [0] [0] [1] [b5] [14] [82] [0] [1] [0] [0] [0] [0] 
===========================
[lavf] stream 0: video (mpeg2video), -vid 0
==> Found audio stream: 1
======= WAVE Format =======
Format Tag: 8192 (0x2000)
Channels: 0
Samplerate: 0
avg byte/sec: 0
Block align: 1
bits/sample: 0
cbSize: 0
==========================================================================
[lavf] stream 1: audio (ac3), -aid 0
==> Found audio stream: 2
======= WAVE Format =======
Format Tag: 8192 (0x2000)
Channels: 0
Samplerate: 0
avg byte/sec: 0
Block align: 1
bits/sample: 0
cbSize: 0
==========================================================================
[lavf] stream 2: audio (ac3), -aid 1
LAVF: 2 audio and 1 video streams found
LAVF: build 3817572
VIDEO:  [MPG2]  720x480  0bpp  29.970 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
WINSOCK2 init: 0
WINSOCK2 init: 0
[file] File size is 0 bytes
STREAM: [file] C:\output\iId_1_aid_128_lang_en_DELAY_-17ms_2021-08-23@00_31_33_7010_01.ac3
STREAM: Description: File
STREAM: Author: Albeu
STREAM: Comment: based on the code from ??? (probably Arpi)
 [lavf] stream 3: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 0
[lavf] stream 4: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 1
[lavf] stream 5: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 2
[lavf] stream 6: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 3
[lavf] stream 7: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 4
[lavf] stream 8: subtitle (dvdsub), -sid 5
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 1  pack: 0x1BFF6-0x361B2
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 2  pack: 0x361B3-0x4FF32
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 3  pack: 0x4FF33-0x6F333
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 4  pack: 0x6F334-0x8604B
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 5  pack: 0x8604C-0xA208B
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 6  pack: 0xA208C-0xBA980
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 7  pack: 0xBA981-0xCC56E
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 8  pack: 0xCC56F-0xE7281
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 9  pack: 0xE7282-0xF5D01
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 10  pack: 0xF5D02-0x108827
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 11  pack: 0x108828-0x113C38
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 12  pack: 0x113C39-0x12B12A
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 13  pack: 0x12B12B-0x13BC17
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 14  pack: 0x13BC18-0x15208E
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 15  pack: 0x15208F-0x160FBE
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 16  pack: 0x160FBF-0x16DDEC
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 17  pack: 0x16DDED-0x18DFEA
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 18  pack: 0x18DFEB-0x19C3DA
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 19  pack: 0x19C3DB-0x1AD990
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 20  pack: 0x1AD991-0x1BEC50
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 21  pack: 0x1BEC51-0x1CA585
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 22  pack: 0x1CA586-0x1DC4B0
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 23  pack: 0x1DC4B1-0x1F3445
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 24  pack: 0x1F3446-0x20CF43
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 25  pack: 0x20CF44-0x22BAC2
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 26  pack: 0x22BAC3-0x2437DE
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 27  pack: 0x2437DF-0x265FA1
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 28  pack: 0x265FA2-0x276662
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 29  pack: 0x276663-0x293969
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 30  pack: 0x29396A-0x2AEA2E
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 31  pack: 0x2AEA2F-0x2BB28A
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 32  pack: 0x2BB28B-0x2D1018
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 33  pack: 0x2D1019-0x2E544D
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 34  pack: 0x2E544E-0x2FDC12
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 35  pack: 0x2FDC13-0x3130E1
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 36  pack: 0x3130E2-0x31A06C
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 37  pack: 0x31A06D-0x32DFDB
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 38  pack: 0x32DFDC-0x337F0D
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
DVD next cell: 39  pack: 0x337F0E-0x3694A7
 --- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
--- END OF CELL !!! ---
 ds_fill_buffer: EOF reached (stream: audio)  
WINSOCK2 uninit
dump: 0 bytes written to 'C:\output\iId_1_aid_128_lang_en_DELAY_-17ms_2021-08-23@00_31_33_7010_01.ac3'.
Core dumped ;)
 WINSOCK2 uninit
 Exiting... (End of file)

and since it creates a 0 bytes output files Hybrid aborts.

Problem is probably:

 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]stream 1 : no TS found at start of file, duration not set
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]stream 2 : no TS found at start of file, duration not set
 [mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Could not find codec parameters for stream 1 (Audio: ac3, 0 channels): unspecified sample format
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (128) options
[mpeg @ 00000001410737c0]Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Audio: ac3, 0 channels): unspecified sample format
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (128) options

no clue what's up with those files that mplayer can't analyse them. :/

[60fpshacksrock]

I really am not that upset about it though, since a workaround (mencoder) fortunately exists.

The movie tested here was Batman Begins (Widescreen) by the way.

[60fpshacksrock]

I have tried several of the fps options and I was wondering if there is a way to force it to be detected as 23.976 fps.

I compared two conversions I did for motion interpolation, one that was first converted with Handbrake x264 lossless RF 0, which detected it as 23.98 fps and then converted with Hybrid for motion interpolation.

Number two was converted directly using Hybrid on the DVD input setting with motion interpolation and as I compared the two I noticed that number one looked smoother than number two because of the framerate. The actual framerate might be about 29 fps but I am guessing frame duplication is going on because from what I have heard most movies run at 23.976 fps.

Edit: Another thing happened. The movie that just finished converting with Handbrake was using same as source CFR and Hybrid says that its 23.976/VFR.

One more thing, I have noticed and I am not sure if it is Hybrid or the external programs themselves but the priority it somehow being set to low. That probably explains the slower extraction. With Process Hacker you can change both program priority and I/O priority. I could be wrong, but I think there are more visual artifacts when using VS over AS, and maybe that is the reason I switched over the first time.

Update: I tried to use VapourSynth on the dev but got this instead:

[Attachment 60427 - Click to enlarge]

Debug log: https://www.mediafire.com/file/11llglunv4h77ex/HybridDebugOutput.zip/file

Edit 2: Nevermind. I went back to the older version so I can use VapourSynth if I so choose. And you were right about VapourSynth. For me it is at least 2x or more faster than AviSynth. The fastest speed is when I use the Realtime Priority on the x264.exe and VSPipe.exe even though I know it isn't recommended.

I also see now that there is *maybe* more visual artifacts in the conversion and maybe why I switched over to AviSynth.

[Selur]

Handbrake was using same as source CFR and Hybrid says that its 23.976/VFR.

Hybrid takes the info from MediaInfo, so I guess the source is vfr at least in the first few frames.

One more thing, I have noticed and I am not sure if it is Hybrid or the external programs themselves but the priority it somehow being set to low. That probably explains the slower extraction

Hybrid sets everything is used to priority low to keep the system as responsive as possible.

Update: I tried to use VapourSynth on the dev but got this instead:

Happens with Windows 7 that is missing some dlls that are standard in Windows 10.

[60fpshacksrock]

I think I know why AviSynth was giving better results quality-wise: The Override algo.

If I may ask, which one gives the best results for quality? I am using 21.

[Selur]

I think I know why AviSynth was giving better results quality-wise: The Override algo.

What override algo ?

If I may ask, which one gives the best results for quality? I am using 21.

What are you referring to? CRF? A lower crf value will result in less data loss, but larger files. crf = 0 <> cq = 0 <> lossless.

Cu Selur

[60fpshacksrock]

My apologies, I meant the motion interpolation options:
[Attachment 60493 - Click to enlarge]

[Selur]

Ah okay.
a. Vapoursynth config also has the'Overwrite Alg.' option.
b. Sadly, there are no optimal settings which are good for each source and also Interframe is not always the best choice when it comes to interpolation. Depending on the source one of the other methods and or totally different settings might be better. (this is true for Avisynth and Vapoursynth) Personally I prefer 'Overwrite Alg.' 13 and 'Tuning' 'Smooth' for normal video content.

For some explaination about the possible settings under 'Overwrite' see: https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:SVPflow

Cu Selur

[60fpshacksrock]

I have tried some of the other interpolators but they seem to not always interpolate if the motion is too fast. Which one would you say is the best if not Interframe?

[Selur]

That totally depends on the content, for some FrameRateConverter and for some RIFE or TorchRIFE are usually the best.

[60fpshacksrock]

Do they have a custom FPS setting or just double, triple etc.?

[Selur]

FrameRateConverter custom, (Torch-)RIFE only double.

[60fpshacksrock]

Okay I see the skip options. Maybe this is what I am looking for to not skip over interpolating any frames.

[60fpshacksrock]

When override algo 23 says it can be less smooth, does it mean less fluid?

[Selur]

yes

[60fpshacksrock]

Thank you. I will probably just use 21 then.

Also I am unsure if there are any methods that will interpolate the entire frame even if there are water-like artifacts in them.
Are there any (AviSynth/Interframe) that you know that will not skip over any frames even if it perceives the motion is too fast?

[Selur]

No clue, never looked for that.

[60fpshacksrock]

Okay. Thank you anyway.