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  1. Found these 3 video tapes at an online auction in the USA, they have since been send to me in Europe and should arrive by next month.
    1" tape on a 10" spool.
    If we have to go by the case identifier (79P-ON-7084B-W3), they are exactly:

    Memorex Type 79 Series Designed for helical-scan broadcast and closed circuit television recorders.
    Ampex VR-6000 and VR-7000 Series Recorders
    79P-ON-7084B-W3
    62 minutes 9-4/2" Precision Reel 1" x 3000' in Box 1"

    So probably recorded with an NTSC Ampex Type A machine.


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    The seller did not have a way to play back the tapes, so nothing is known about their content or which format/machine they were recorded with.
    Neither do I know the condition of the tapes, if they need special treatment before they can be played back and digitized.
    It is a gamble and I am prepared to be disappointed, there could be something different on them entirely!

    If the labels are correct however, the tapes likely contain USA television broadcasts of the missions during the written events. Of the NBC, CBS or ABC. So while unlikely to be lost NASA footage, still very cool possibly live recordings off of TV.

    Problem, almost certainly NTSC! Does anybody know of Ampex Type A NTSC machines in the netherlands/europe/uk? The closer the better.


    Once digitized I can put them on my YT channel, if the TV channel is okay with it.

    Thoughts?
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  2. My knowledge of this format is showing my age, you're best bet would be to have a professional service convert it to a modern format. Otherwise, they are simply obsolete but possibly highly collectable tapes that very very few people or businesses can convert or play.

    This company is in the USA

    https://greentreeav.com/details/1inch-typea-ivc-videotape/
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  3. Boy that sure brings back memories. My Ampex recorder was thrown out 27 years ago. and it was at least 25 years old then.
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    Check the NASA archives as it's probably there. If not, contact NASA as they may be interested in them.

    I know you like preserving and restoring media, but it these have true historical value, best to let the professionals with the proper equipment to do the job. Like all tape, it may have only one play left in them, don't waste/risk it on unknown equipment.
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    If what you think is on them (NASA) is, YT should have no issues with posting. Non-classified US Gov't footage = paid for by taxpayers = public domain. The very definition.


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  6. I all else fails try https://batc.org.uk/ and visit the forum.
    They are not a commercial organization, the members are mostly technical TV people but among them are people who restore and maintain vintage broadcast and domestic machines. It is quite likely one of them has a working player and transcribing equipment and I'm sure they would help. Please note they are NOT a repair service for old machines and members are enthusiasts working out of love for video technology so please don't treat them as a technical advice service, this forum is far better suited for that kind of thing.

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  7. Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    If what you think is on them (NASA) is, YT should have no issues with posting. Non-classified US Gov't footage = paid for by taxpayers = public domain. The very definition.


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    YouTube hardly cares what is in public domain.

    I get copyright claims all the time on NASA footage and audio. Because footage is used in movies/documanteries and audio samples are used in music.

    I even got two copyright claims on Challenger footage literally of the scene where it blows up. By some generic company I can not find any details anywhere.

    That made me especially mad. ******* rats.

    These companies can send millions of hours of footage and audio to YouTube for their automatic copyright scan system and Google checks nothing.

    And if these tapes contain studio footage of NBC for example and their commentary they still own whats on the tapes.
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    Can't you just submit an appeal, stating your footage is in public domain?
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  9. Originally Posted by pm-s View Post
    @Dutchsteammachine

    Can't you just submit an appeal, stating your footage is in public domain?
    I can and do.

    But it should not be on me. YouTube should get their shit together.
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  10. Techmoan the YouTube guy might be able to help-...
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  11. Did the UK use PAL or NTSC analog TV?
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    Originally Posted by dutchsteammachine View Post
    did the uk use pal or ntsc analog tv?
    pal
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  13. Originally Posted by dvd3500 View Post
    Techmoan the YouTube guy might be able to help-...
    I would be interested in collaborating with him
    Problem is going to be finding an NTSC machine around here.
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    Originally Posted by Dutchsteammachine View Post
    Originally Posted by dvd3500 View Post
    Techmoan the YouTube guy might be able to help-...
    I would be interested in collaborating with him
    Problem is going to be finding an NTSC machine around here.
    Then you should e-mail him: MAT@techmoan.com
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  15. If those are the actual dates the tapes were recorded, you're going to have a rough time. The common, widely used, 1" type C wasn't introduced until 1976. Before that, 1" type A was used in non-broadcast environments, such as the White House as a low quality archive format. There were never very many machines around. The tapes themselves may be a more historical artifact than the recordings that are on them.

    That said, best of luck getting them played.
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  16. Time for a delayed update!

    The tapes have since arrived at my place. The condition of the tape appears to be good...tape does not fall apart, is clean, does not smell or does not curl/spoke/come off.

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    Furthermore, the reels themselves also bear identification numbers, which correspond to the numbers on the boxes. So there are no random tapes put in the boxes.

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    More good news... see a piece of tape under my magnetic developer:

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    Clearly visible from top to bottom:
    1. Mono soundtrack
    2. Helical scan video track.
    3. Control pulse track.


    So there is definitely video on them... and most likely Ampex Type A NTSC, maybe PAL.

    I have already found a company in the Netherlands with two Ampex Type A machines. Even if they are NTSC reels, playback on a PAL machine for the sound is possible. Then I can identify if it has NASA material on it, or something else like football or I Love Lucy.


    If they do contain Apollo 11 broadcasts, I think I will be able to identify source from the audio aswel. If they were sourced from NASA, a television channel or a tracking station.
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  17. Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    If what you think is on them (NASA) is, YT should have no issues with posting. Non-classified US Gov't footage = paid for by taxpayers = public domain. The very definition.


    Scott
    If they are recordings of BBC/CBS/ABC studio broadcasts that could be problematic.

    I am hoping for live recordings of lost channel broadcasts of Apollo 11.

    As far as I can tell:
    BBC & NBC Broadcasts are almost non-existent.
    ABC Key/important moments of broadcasts archived.
    CBS Broadcasts archived almost entirely.
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