Trouble finding the right conversion settings

[ricardouk]

Hi everyone!

Lately i've been sharing some videos online but for some reason the videos edited/converted with Premiere or Resolve (free version) won't "trigger" an hd conversion where i share it online, but if i convert the same video with Staxrip it will "trigger" an HD conversion

Ive tried several different setting within Premiere and Resolve but the outcome is always the same, can anyone help me finding out if there's a seeting im missing in premiere/Resolve or is exporting to lossless and then using Staxrip the only option.

These are family/personal videos, no piracy.

Mediainfo from source file:

General
Format                         : MPEG-4
Format profile                 : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                       : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                      : 108 MiB
Duration                       : 18 s 851 ms
Overall bit rate               : 48.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08

Video
ID                             : 2
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L5.1
Format settings                : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP           : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                       : avc1
Codec ID/Info                  : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                       : 18 s 851 ms
Bit rate                       : 47.9 Mb/s
Width                          : 3 840 pixels
Height                         : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Variable
Frame rate                     : 29.706 FPS
Minimum frame rate             : 4.289 FPS
Maximum frame rate             : 30.040 FPS
Standard                       : NTSC
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.194
Stream size                    : 108 MiB (100%)
Title                          : VideoHandle
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08
Color range                    : Full
Color primaries                : BT.601 PAL
colour_primaries_Original      : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics       : BT.709
transfer_characteristics_Origi : BT.601
Matrix coefficients            : BT.601
Codec configuration box        : avcC

Audio
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AAC LC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                       : mp4a-40-2
Duration                       : 18 s 830 ms
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 1 channel
Channel layout                 : C
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                     : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode               : Lossy
Stream size                    : 220 KiB (0%)
Title                          : SoundHandle
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-05-22 07:23:08

Medianfo from the conversion with Premiere

General
General
Format                         : MPEG-4
Format profile                 : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                       : mp42 (mp42/mp41)
File size                      : 116 MiB
Duration                       : 18 s 819 ms
Overall bit rate               : 51.6 Mb/s
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-06-24 14:25:50
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-06-24 14:27:37
TIM                            : 00;00;00;00
TSC                            : 30000
TSZ                            : 1001

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L5.1
Format settings                : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP           : M=3, N=29
Codec ID                       : avc1
Codec ID/Info                  : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                       : 18 s 819 ms
Bit rate                       : 51.2 Mb/s
Width                          : 3 840 pixels
Height                         : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.206
Stream size                    : 115 MiB (99%)
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-06-24 14:25:52
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-06-24 14:25:52
Color range                    : Limited
Color primaries                : BT.709
Transfer characteristics       : BT.709
Matrix coefficients            : BT.709
Codec configuration box        : avcC

Audio
ID                             : 2
Format                         : AAC LC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                       : mp4a-40-2
Duration                       : 18 s 819 ms
Source duration                : 18 s 901 ms
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 317 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
Channel layout                 : L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                     : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode               : Lossy
Stream size                    : 729 KiB (1%)
Source stream size             : 732 KiB (1%)
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2021-06-24 14:25:54
Tagged date                    : UTC 2021-06-24 14:25:54

Medianfo from the conversion with StaxRip

General
Format                         : MPEG-4
Format profile                 : Base Media
Codec ID                       : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                      : 114 MiB
Duration                       : 18 s 831 ms
Overall bit rate               : 51.0 Mb/s
Writing application            : Lavf59.0.101

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L5.1
Format settings                : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 4 frames
Codec ID                       : avc1
Codec ID/Info                  : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                       : 18 s 791 ms
Source duration                : 18 s 858 ms
Bit rate                       : 50.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 50.8 Mb/s
Width                          : 3 840 pixels
Height                         : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Variable
Frame rate                     : 29.696 FPS
Minimum frame rate             : 25.000 FPS
Maximum frame rate             : 29.707 FPS
Original frame rate            : 29.706 FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.203
Stream size                    : 114 MiB (100%)
Source stream size             : 114 MiB (100%)
Writing library                : x264 core 163 r3059+11 1aa8b82 [Mod by Patman]
Encoding settings              : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=9 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=50000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Color range                    : Limited
Transfer characteristics       : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                  : 18790
Codec configuration box        : avcC

Audio
ID                             : 2
Format                         : AAC LC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                       : mp4a-40-2
Duration                       : 18 s 831 ms
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 1 channel
Channel layout                 : C
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                     : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode               : Lossy
Stream size                    : 220 KiB (0%)
Default                        : Yes
Alternate group                : 1

[ProWo]

Maybe this tags:

TIM : 00:00:00:00
TSC : 25
TSZ : 1

[ricardouk]

Hi Prowo, thanks for helping, i've edited it, there were some errors in it, ive tried different settings in Premiere (bitrates, profiles, levels) but still doesnt trigger the online HD conversion, meanwhile with StaxRip its the opposite, works everytime, at the momment i'm using either Premiere/Resolve and export to lossless format and then use StaxRip to convert to a much "smaller size" than prores and similar.

My goal was to avoid creating massive lossless files with Premiere/Resolve and also avoid demuxing these massive files with Staxrip....basically doing it straight to MP4 from Premiere/Resolve, ive also tried Kdenlive and Olive (2.0) and same thing happens.

[ProWo]

I noticed that the original source file has a variable frame rate (29.706 fps), while the one encoded with premiere has a constant frame rate (29.970 (30000/1001) fps), and the one encoded with staxrip has a variable frame rate again (29.696 fps).
The trigger for the re-encoding when sharing online is probably the variable framerate.
The clean and correct conversion is that of Premiere.
The variable framerate of the source file could also have been caused by unclean multiplexing.
Try to remux the source file (e.g. with MkvToolKit); then control this new mkv with Mediainfo to see if a constant framerate of 29.970 fps is now displayed.

[ricardouk]

Hi Prowo, thanks, i thought about that but not even the source file works, the place where i share the videos converted the source file and the premiere output only up to 720p only the staxrip conversion went up to 1440p...weird i know... ive tried changing the CodecID on the premiere conversion with ffmpeg's "brand" flag but i cant get it exactly like the staxrip one... could it be a x264 conversion option/setting?

The variable framerate of the source file could also have been caused by unclean multiplexing.
Try to remux the source file (e.g. with MkvToolKit); then control this new mkv with Mediainfo to see if a constant framerate of 29.970 fps is now displayed.

its a video recorded with my smartphone (pixel 2xl) will try that...
thanks

[ricardouk]

here's the files if anyone wants to look at it:

[davexnet]

Are you saying the uploaded streaming video has had it's resolution reduced from the original 4k?
To what? Which site?

Usually Youtube will produce a version same res as the original, and lower res versions

[ricardouk]

Hi Davexnet, thanks for helping, the source file is a 4k video file recorded with my phone, the version i shared here hasnt been altered in any way, if i try to uploaded it to facebook it only gets converted up to 720P, the same happens to the versions converted with Premiere and Resolve, the only version that gets an online conversion up to 1440p version is the one converted with Staxrip.

[ricardouk]

Try to remux the source file (e.g. with MkvToolKit); then control this new mkv with Mediainfo to see if a constant framerate of 29.970 fps is now displayed.

tried remuxing the source file to mkv using mkvtoolnix but still displays variable framerate and only converts up to 720p online when uploaded.

[ricardouk]

ive uploaded several videos during the day with different settings and remuxing the source file to mkv has worked, after 20min its available up to 1440p, all the rest still only 720p, will remux the premiere file to mkv and see if it does the same.

[davexnet]

FB rendered your Staxrip video @ 2560x1440 ?
Most info on the web seems to suggest 720 is the limit for FB, because their goal is to keep bandwidth low

[ricardouk]

yes

[Attachment 59549 - Click to enlarge]

[davexnet]

That's odd - the Staxrip clip you posted is only 1080p. FB upscaled it?

[ricardouk]

Well spoted Dave, got so many test files on my desktop, ive uploaded the correct one now.

[davexnet]

The obvious differences are the Staxrip is variable frame rate Vs. Fixed, and it also has the detailed settings in the
file while the other does not, probably as the Premiere file looks like it used MainConcept encoder Vs. the x264 of Staxrip's encode.
Whether this is a factor is a guess at best. Are you not able to contact any support person @ FB?

[ricardouk]

Hi Dave, i can only send support tickets, none answered so far, found some more stuff, using staxrip i redone the conversion but used mp4box as the app muxer for audio/video streams and the 4k converted file only gets converted online up to 720p so i thought the trick was the ffmpeg muxing, so i took 4k premiere file and remuxed with ffmpeg but no luck, remuxed it again using staxrip's own ffmpeg version but no luck again, demuxed the premiere file to audio and video streams and muxed it back again but same thing happens