Need help capturing video from VCR

[HuJass]

Hello all,
New here.

I have a HP Pavilion Elite HPE-150T with a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1800 (Model 78xxx, Combo ATSC/QAM)
TV tuner card in it. And it has the media input center built into the front of the machine. This includes a FireWire, USB 2.0, mic and headphone jacks, and A/V connectors (L&R audio and video composite jacks), and S-video input.

I've recently reformatted the hard drive (upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10) and seem to have lost the ability to capture video from my VCR.

I did this once before about 5-6 years ago when the machine was in it's factory configuration and don't remember it being difficult.
Now, I can't for the life of me make this work.

I'm sure when I reformatted, a bunch of software was deleted.
It used to have CyberLink's PowerDirector on there from the factory.


I've downloaded Hauppauge's WinTV 10 software, which doesn't seem to do anything. Of course it doesn't come with any kind of instructions.

Do I need to download something else?
Do I need PowerDirector back on there?

Is there anyone that can provide instructions so I can all this to work again? HP was useless, BTW.

[DB83]

Go here:


https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_hvr1800.html


You will require the driver (driver tab) for the card and...


Your original Hauppauge CD disk to install any updated software (Win Tv app tab)


WinTV 10 is just a version of the software (thought it only went up to 8). Nothing to do with Windows 10.

[HuJass]

I don't have the original disc as the card was installed and configured by HP before the computer was shipped to me.


And this link says that WinTV 10 is indeed compatible with my WinTV-HVR 1800 card.

https://hauppauge.com/pages/webstore2/webstore_wintv10.html?fbclid=IwAR2DsLtABb0LDcOsf...KScfBgaou88G2Q

[dellsam34]

Upgrading to Win10 was the biggest mistake, What good can come out of it? I have Win7 on my laptop and there is nothing I can do on my other Win10 machine that I can't do on the Win7 machine, As the matter of the fact there is a lot of things I can do on the Win7 machine that I can't do on the Win10 machine.

[Barrythecrab]

Both my Hauppage cards choke spit and puke under W10x64. I have a 950 and an 850, both superb USB cards, useless.
Windows 10 is a death pit for quality capture cards.

[mammo1789]

https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_hvr1800.html

On their site it says it is compatible with windows 10 so it should work but it ask for some activation code which was or the cd or the technicians sticked to your case (probably).

Windows 10 is not that bad as many want to picture and runs better on newer hardware than Windows 7 all the programs that I used are working on the windows 10 (yes even old usb capture card and Virtual dub and many others) some even much faster especially Adobe products.
Concerning many complaints about updates If you can get a hold of the LTSB/LTSC versions highly recommend It doesn't comes with usually bloatware from MS like cortana Edge and Apps

[Alwyn]

Upgrading to Win10 was the biggest mistake, What good can come out of it? I have Win7 on my laptop and there is nothing I can do on my other Win10 machine that I can't do on the Win7 machine, As the matter of the fact there is a lot of things I can do on the Win7 machine that I can't do on the Win10 machine.

With respect, that is a pointless post. The OP isn't going back; and he would be a fool if he did, with no Microsoft support for Win 7.

[dellsam34]

a pointless post. The OP isn't going back; and he would be a fool if he did, with no Microsoft support for Win 7.

That's one way of looking at it if you got no advice to give, But it's up to the OP to go the Win10 rabbit hole or use that time trying to get Win10 to work to install a legacy OS in dual boot such as Win7 that proven to work reliably. I think he is smart enough to see my post the other way.

[DB83]

[QUOTE=HuJass;2615299]I don't have the original disc as the card was installed and configured by HP before the computer was shipped to me.


And this link says that WinTV 10 is indeed compatible with my WinTV-HVR 1800 card.

https://hauppauge.com/pages/webstore2/webstore_wintv10.html?fbclid=IwAR2DsLtABb0LDcOsf...G2Q[/QUOTE]


Ok. You will still need a driver for the card unless HP provided that on some back up. Typically there would be a partition on your HDD that had these but then you state you formatted the HDD. Could you not have upgraded to Win10 without a format ?


Driver aside, without any original CD or access code you will have to purchase a new code from the Hauppauge store. Details on the page you linked to or the one I provided.

[anachronon]

(knock on wood) I seem to have gotten around the Win-10 capture problem, by disabling all of the privacy-invasion features---like "Cortana", "tablet mode", automatic "cloud" storage, automatic camera access, automatic microphone access, etc. A search of the internet showed numerous ways that Win 10 is "snooping", and how to disable these features. Most of these can be accessed through "Settings"---most under the euphemistically-named "Privacy". However, I must note that disabling Cortana completely required a registry hack---not everyone will want to attempt this, as one mistype could be disastrous. The result though, is an OS that functions more like Win 7.

Another possible Win-10 problem could be in "Settings->Gaming". Switch off everything under "XBox Game Bar" and "Captures", as these XBox features could be interfering with video capture.

[thghgv]

Upgrading to Win10 was the biggest mistake, What good can come out of it? I have Win7 on my laptop and there is nothing I can do on my other Win10 machine that I can't do on the Win7 machine, As the matter of the fact there is a lot of things I can do on the Win7 machine that I can't do on the Win10 machine.

I totally agree 110%. Win10 is NOT a secure OS from a user privacy or network privacy standpoint. IN fact ALL of my machines here are happily running 7, or XP even, without problem one. I have ONE test image of win10 here that I had to spend nearly TWO DAYS ripping out, suppressing and securing all the crap that pushes telemetry and causes undue processor cycles to be used for nothing. They have effectively LOCKED OUT control of pretty much everything that the USER needs to maintain control over THEIR OWN systems. Therefore unless you have some really good permissions utilities and the know how to use them effectively I wouldn't touch win10 with a 20' pole.

There are ONLY a couple of reasons one should be doing anything re: win10;

1. you have a system that is so new that win7 drivers are NOT available anywhere.
2. there is some piece of hardware that you need to use that has absolutely no Win7 support at all
3. there is some sort of bug or blocking issue that you encountered that renders Win7 unusable...

Basically these reasons pretty much come down to the PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE scam that encompasses the entire electronic industry.

Personally I do not buy into this scheme. Win update on all my internet facing machines remains disabled. Updates are applied PIECEMEAL when a patch is verified as being absolutely essential that fixes something vital (like a known virus or code bug). You'd be surprised at how many actual patches I have a had to apply that actually fixed something essential (I can count on one hand) versus the abominable amount of JUNKWARE that MS releases every month on "patch tuesday"... And GUESS WHAT? I have never been hit with a virus nor malware nor any related issue of this kind due to the OS. Yet, MS will have you believe that applying all that bloatware crap that they spew out every "patch tuesday" absolutely MUST BE DONE "or else"... Or else what exactly?? PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE... I have systems here, some network facing, some not, running XP-pro and Win7 Ultimate that are running and will continue to run just fine.

As well, you have software vendors that have been pigeon-holing folks into useless OS upgrades because they have PULLED OUT already present XP, Vista, Win7, Win8 support from their apps, due to "OS discontinued update support". If this is not a prime example of planned obsolescence that the greedy capitalistic malcontents who are calling the industry shot have been implementing since the turn of the millennium then I don't know what is...

I do not run MS's version of anything "security related" (i.e. firewall, antivirus, etc) because I have found them to be lacking in one or many categories related to user control or just plain substandard. I have machines that do a specific task - and the OS and software on those machines may/may NOT be the latest or greatest, BUT as long as the job gets done, the versioning is of no consequence...

The operating system OEMS's MOST CERTAINLY DO have the ability to code new OS releases to support older hardware (and the software that runs them). These are multi-TRILLION $$ companies whose waste income @ year (that is the money that has been made but lost every year due to mismanagemnt) could support 1000 people for 20 years. They CAN EASILY afford to support hardware and drivers from 15+ years ago and NEVER see their bottom line go anywhere near the red. They don't do this however because it is more profitable to sell new software and hardware every 3-5 years or so to keep that cash cow milked. Sure there are new ADVANCES in tech coming out every day BUT, the industry controls the obsolescence scheme and THEY choose to be in control of when and where you lay out your cash for that next new system.

The most comical example of planned obsolescence is the cell phone or electronic "boat-anchor", aka "low-jack" that most humans these days seem obsessed about keeping strapped to themselves 24/7/365. Every other year, or more aptly put, when the apple CEO's get the itch for that next new beach house or sports car, a "NEW" iphone emerges... All the human "phone-tards" are then immediately placed into a catatonic "zombified" daze, programmed to return to the apple store by some unseen force that unwittingly compels them to hand over their cash for the next miracle marvel of modern lemming behavior - the NEW iphone... I have asked some phione-tards about what happens to the "old toys" once their new toys come into their possession. Well they get sucked into that dark matter vortex that every phone-tard worth their salt has in their back closet - the old toy box(es) of course!! Many of those boxes overflowing after several years worth of devices are sitting there just waiting for their turn to provide some landfill with new toxins to release into the environment...

[HuJass]

Ok. You will still need a driver for the card unless HP provided that on some back up. Typically there would be a partition on your HDD that had these but then you state you formatted the HDD. Could you not have upgraded to Win10 without a format ?


Driver aside, without any original CD or access code you will have to purchase a new code from the Hauppauge store. Details on the page you linked to or the one I provided.

This is what I feared I did when I reformatted.
I could have upgraded without reformatting, but the HDD had never been reformatted (computer is 11 years old) and I figured it was time for that.
I now wish I backed all that stuff up, but I didn't know where it was stored.

No back-up/recovery disc came with the machine.


Is WinTV10 not the driver for the card?

And the Device Manager says the card is working properly.
It lists the following as the driver:

Driver Provider: Hauppauge
Driver Date: 1/21/2021
Driver Version: 1.59.39012.0
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher

[HuJass]

These are screen shots of my Device Driver

[HuJass]

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[HuJass]

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[DB83]

That driver could well have been installed as part of the WinTv10 package.


What you can not do is install/run the Hauppauge software for the reasons given. However that does not prevent you from trying other video capture software such as AmarecTv or virtuadub.

[HuJass]

Finally.......

[HuJass]

Beyond the actual driver, this is the hardware I'd like to get working again.
THIS is what I need to work to capture video from my VCR.

[anachronon]

Will any of these drivers work?:

https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_hvr1800.html (click "Driver" tab)

https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support.html#win10

[DB83]

Well, normally, one would connect a vcr to inputs direct on a back of a capture card. But I guess when you had this PC it was actually configured to use these front connectors.


That being the case there has to be a 'bridge' from those connectors to the card and there has to be an another software/driver supplied by HP for that purpose. Or the 'bridge' could be passive and just have cabling from the internal part of the A/V to the card.


So I do suggest you do look at the HP support (if there is one) for Windows 10 compatable software/drivers for this system.

[anachronon]

On this question of drivers, it appears that we may have been barking up the wrong tree. Those front connections are not to a Hauppauge HVR-1800! The WinTV 1800 is actually a TV tuner card. It has only two RF (antenna/cable) connections (on the back of the computer). Here is a page on the 1800:

https://www.avdstudio.net/shitje-online/Tv_Tuner_11.html

I suspect that the A/V connections on the front actually go to a USB capture device---like the Hauppauge USB 610, Elgato, EasyCap, etc. You will need to open the side panel on your computer, and see where the inputs lead. Whether they lead to a USB device or a PCI card, the make/model should be printed on the device.

I checked HP's support page, and they weren't much help.

[HuJass]

I reached out to HP about getting the front inputs working again and this is what they told me:

"Looks like this is more of a data data backup.. HP does not support any kind of backup.. as customer privacy is important.. I request you to check with a local IT they can help.

Have a good day,
Sneha- HP social media"


I then said to them, "but you allowed me to configure the computer with them. Why would you allow customers to do that if you don't support any kind of backup? And I'm not asking how to backup data. I'm asking how to get these working again."

They told me there's nothing they can help me with.

[HuJass]

Well, normally, one would connect a vcr to inputs direct on a back of a capture card. But I guess when you had this PC it was actually configured to use these front connectors.


That being the case there has to be a 'bridge' from those connectors to the card and there has to be an another software/driver supplied by HP for that purpose. Or the 'bridge' could be passive and just have cabling from the internal part of the A/V to the card.


So I do suggest you do look at the HP support (if there is one) for Windows 10 compatable software/drivers for this system.

This is what I always thought; that there was some kind of bridge between the front inputs and the actual card.

HP was completely worthless. See my above post.

[HuJass]

On this question of drivers, it appears that we may have been barking up the wrong tree. Those front connections are not to a Hauppauge HVR-1800! The WinTV 1800 is actually a TV tuner card. It has only two RF (antenna/cable) connections (on the back of the computer). Here is a page on the 1800:

https://www.avdstudio.net/shitje-online/Tv_Tuner_11.html

I suspect that the A/V connections on the front actually go to a USB capture device---like the Hauppauge USB 610, Elgato, EasyCap, etc. You will need to open the side panel on your computer, and see where the inputs lead. Whether they lead to a USB device or a PCI card, the make/model should be printed on the device.

I checked HP's support page, and they weren't much help.

Here's a pic of the back of the machine.
Looks like there is a card with two composite RCA audio inputs, perhaps an S-Video input (hard to see), and what looks to be 3 coax connectors.

And for some reason, I seem to recall that the front inputs were tied to the capture card somehow.

[HuJass]

I just had the side panel off.
It looks like there is no component per se for those front inputs.
I can see wires leading between the outer plastic and inner frame.
They lead rearwards in the case and it looks like some plug into the motherboard and others plug into the capture card.

See these pics:

[HuJass]

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[HuJass]

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[DB83]

I suspect that the A/V connections on the front actually go to a USB capture device---like the Hauppauge USB 610, Elgato, EasyCap, etc. You will need to open the side panel on your computer, and see where the inputs lead. Whether they lead to a USB device or a PCI card, the make/model should be printed on the device.

USB capture devices are NOT internal. The USB part of such a unit plugs in to a usb port.


The OP, IIRC, clearly stated he connected his vcr to the front connectors.


This HP system is a little different to a typical PC

[DB83]

The ones that plug in to the mb would typically be the firewire and the usb.


I guess you never used the tv-tuner part of the card as, yes, back connectors would have to have been used then.


I am surprised by the attitude of HP but then they can argue that you upgraded your system without due regard and as such they can not offer support.


Now this is a long shot but take a look at disk management to see if there is a 'spare' partition other than your 'C' drive wich you formatted and installed Win10. If that exists then there are your backup files and you can then reinstall Win7 and any other software that originally came with the PC.


But HP should be able to provide that even at a small cost to you.

[HuJass]

Actually, I did use the TV tuner card when I first bought the machine for about a year. Had cable TV running to it.
Also used it as a DVR.
Was all pretty slick.

Windows Media Center was part of the original build, too. (that's gone, too, since I reformatted)



Here's a screen shot of my Disk Management