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  1. I have a couple "sing-along" blu-rays that I want to rip and have them work like they do on the discs.

    In one case (Mamma Mia), if you pick the last English subtitle is shows up with just the words of the songs and they're in a colored box with highlighting as each word is sung.

    Is there a way to make that happen, or is that a disc-only thing?

    I've been using MAKEMKV and HANDBRAKE to create MKVs for my Plex server.
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    When you rip the blu-rays with makemkv there should be subtitles that you can choose so they play the same as the movie in mkv version.
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  3. Originally Posted by johns0 View Post
    When you rip the blu-rays with makemkv there should be subtitles that you can choose so they play the same as the movie in mkv version.
    Yeah, I tried that and they do come over, but it's just standard text with none of the "karaoke" elements. No color. No moving bar.
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    What type of subs are they? If they are srt then you won't get any of those fx's. To use with a mkv file and depending on your playback device you need .ass format. There was a program called PunkGraphicStream ASS to Blu-ray subtitle converter ie ASS to SUP for changing an ASS sub with all the fx's into the image format that blu-ray uses. So I guess you need the reverse. Convert SUP to ASS and recognise and maintain the fx's - I think that may be a tall order if not impossible. So you may have to recreate them in aegisub64 to create the ASS format subtitle to use or embed as a soft sub within a MKV file. Then it depends on your media player. Popcorn A-500 and the Zappiti 4K models do as standalones
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    Originally Posted by Agrajag27 View Post
    I have a couple "sing-along" blu-rays that I want to rip and have them work like they do on the discs.

    In one case (Mamma Mia), if you pick the last English subtitle is shows up with just the words of the songs and they're in a colored box with highlighting as each word is sung.

    Is there a way to make that happen, or is that a disc-only thing?

    I've been using MAKEMKV and HANDBRAKE to create MKVs for my Plex server.
    from this youtube clip of Mamma Mia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBBqaqB1F0
    they used a program called iKaraoke TunePrompter - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rVPnS8DkZk
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  6. Originally Posted by netmask56 View Post
    What type of subs are they?
    They seem to be embedded in the MKV file. The image below is what you see in VLAN when you pick Subtitle Track 6 that's in the raw MKV rip. It's also exactly what you see if you play the blu-ray and use the menu to select Play Sing-a-Long version. I also need these to work using Plex.

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  7. Blu-ray uses SUP format subtitles. These are graphic images, not text based subtitles. I'm pretty sure Plex doesn't support SUP format subs.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    Blu-ray uses SUP format subtitles. These are graphic images, not text based subtitles. I'm pretty sure Plex doesn't support SUP format subs.
    What about KODI does it support image formats? Maybe the OP could try KODI instead of Plex apart from getting a suitable standalone media player with a video jukebox function?
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    Well here's the answer from the Plex site

    Supported Subtitle Formats

    The following formats are fully supported either as embedded tracks or external subtitle files. Full support means they are compatible with all Plex Apps, including clients that require transcoded media.

    SRT (.srt)
    SMI (.smi)
    SSA (or ASS) (.ssa or .ass)
    WebVTT (.vtt)

    Other formats such as VOBSUB, PGS, etc. may work on some Plex apps but not all.


    So when the OP posts a MediaInfo report something all posters should do on their initial post to save a lot of time and questions and answers!!!
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  11. I did take the RAW MKV (which is 25GB so just way too big) and dump it into Plex. It lists the subtitles (all of them) as PGS. The 6th one works exactly as expected with one huge problem: Plex becomes very unstable. I needed to reboot after using it once and couldn't FF or RW without Plex going into a dead-end of just forever showing me the spinning (working) icon.

    I'm also brand new here and based my post on another similar post I found here through google. It had no such MediaInfo report so I was unaware of that. Now I know:

    General
    Unique ID : 139593230495450382795822733590598679916 (0x6904ADA2BDEAA16B6BE0CCCB94B67D6C)
    Complete name : E:\Download\Rips\2008 1080p RAW.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 2
    File size : 24.8 GiB
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 32.6 Mb/s
    Movie name : Mamma Mia!
    Encoded date : UTC 2021-02-02 02:04:23
    Writing application : MakeMKV v1.15.4 win(x64-release)
    Writing library : libmakemkv v1.15.4 (1.3.10/1.5.2) win(x64-release)

    Video
    ID : 1
    ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011)
    Format : VC-1
    Format profile : Advanced@L3
    Codec ID : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / WVC1
    Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate : 24.1 Mb/s
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.484
    Stream size : 18.3 GiB (74%)
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Audio #1
    ID : 2
    ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
    Format : DTS XLL
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Commercial name : DTS-HD Master Audio
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 4 272 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossless
    Stream size : 3.25 GiB (13%)
    Title : Surround 5.1
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Audio #2
    ID : 3
    ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100)
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 509 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.15 GiB (5%)
    Title : Surround 5.1
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Audio #3
    ID : 4
    ID in the original source medium : 4353 (0x1101)
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 768 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 598 MiB (2%)
    Title : Surround 5.1
    Language : Spanish
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Audio #4
    ID : 5
    ID in the original source medium : 4354 (0x1102)
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 768 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel layout : C L R Ls Rs LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 598 MiB (2%)
    Title : Surround 5.1
    Language : French
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Audio #5
    ID : 6
    ID in the original source medium : 4355 (0x1103)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Commercial name : Dolby Digital
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 1 h 48 min
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 192 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel layout : L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 149 MiB (1%)
    Title : Stereo
    Language : English
    Service kind : Complete Main
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #1
    ID : 7
    ID in the original source medium : 4608 (0x1200)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 47.7 kb/s
    Count of elements : 3548
    Stream size : 35.1 MiB (0%)
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #2
    ID : 9
    ID in the original source medium : 4609 (0x1201)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 36.3 kb/s
    Count of elements : 3031
    Stream size : 26.6 MiB (0%)
    Language : Spanish
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #3
    ID : 11
    ID in the original source medium : 4610 (0x1202)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 41.7 kb/s
    Count of elements : 3058
    Stream size : 30.6 MiB (0%)
    Language : French
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #4
    ID : 13
    ID in the original source medium : 4611 (0x1203)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 14.7 kb/s
    Count of elements : 1286
    Stream size : 10.8 MiB (0%)
    Language : Spanish
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #5
    ID : 15
    ID in the original source medium : 4612 (0x1204)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 15.5 kb/s
    Count of elements : 1314
    Stream size : 11.4 MiB (0%)
    Language : French
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

    Text #6
    ID : 17
    ID in the original source medium : 4613 (0x1205)
    Format : PGS
    Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration : 1 h 42 min
    Bit rate : 961 kb/s
    Count of elements : 7148
    Stream size : 704 MiB (3%)
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
    Original source medium : Blu-ray

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  12. So, one odd thing about this is that it matches what I saw in Plex with it claiming all six subtitles are PGS format. However, only the sixth one is graphical in appearance. The others are all just your standard white text with no additional features.
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    Originally Posted by Agrajag27 View Post
    So, one odd thing about this is that it matches what I saw in Plex with it claiming all six subtitles are PGS format. However, only the sixth one is graphical in appearance. The others are all just your standard white text with no additional features.
    Appearance has nothing to do with it.
    PGS and Vobsub formats are a series of images not unlike thousands of jpg files. They can appear as any sort of image. SRT on the other hand are standard text just the same as you type an email. ASS are also a text format with added tags that allows for a range of effects very dependent on the media player. So I guess it is a problem with Plex and as they say not all Plex apps are equal.

    PS If you want to reduce the size of the file a tad you could remove all the unnecessary tracks like languages and subs. Use MKVToolNix load the file and untick everything then tick the tracks you do need then make a new MKV file sans excess stuff
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