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  1. I have some .mov files compiled into a .m3u8 file but I cannot get them to play in my Safari native browser from a web page. What is the secret?

    <video controls poster="https://dwichannel.com/posters/wvtm-0001.png">
    <source src="test.m3u8" type="application/x-mpegURL">
    Your browser does not support the video tag.
    </video>
    and test.m3u8 is

    #EXTM3U
    #EXTINF:34, track 1
    https://dwichannel.com/videos/wvtm-0010.mov
    #EXTINF:76, track 2
    https://dwichannel.com/videos/wvtm-0009.mov

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  3. What is the correct video format? I try this with .mp4 clips and it still does not work.

  4. I don't know if mov is officially supported, but this worked for me (with Firefox and Edge):

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    <!DOCTYPE html>
    <html>
    <body>
    <video controls>
      <source src="https://dwichannel.com/videos/wvtm-0010.mov" type="video/mp4">
      Your browser does not support the video tag.
    </video> 
    </body>
    </html>
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    Ok. Apart from the video format this appears to be a issue with your html programming. There is no such thing as a 'default player' unless the video is actually downloaded. Your original .mov file would download and play.


    Your site has many links but they always go to the embedded player on the actual site not on your site. There's a difference between a default player (offline) to an embedded player (online)


    You might also wish to provide the actual url that includes this playlist just to confirm the above.

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    Actually, I took another look.


    There is a player on your webpage and these videos are locally stored.


    But they do not automatically play. They load and then one has to press the play button.


    BTW storing videos for local playback on a non-dedicated video server is a bad idea since you will not have sufficient bandwidth foe smooth playback. The videos I tested are not smooth.

  7. Well, everybody, I found an answer on stackoverflow and it actually works. It is on the home page at https://DWIChannel.com with full credit to somebody I could not answer, with my insufficient reputation score on stackoverflow.
    Other solutions are good only for one video. This is for numerous videos to play one after another without somebody having to click each time. It works on my Mac with Safari. On my "to do" list will be having the next video load whilst the first plays; and looping. If traffic increases I may need a dedicated video server, as DB83 says.

    The solution I have allows for the video to exist on the server once and get included in different playlists. A high school edition might do better with videos where high school students were involved. Videos impress a point much better than statistics.

  8. You never said that all you really wanted was to automatically play a list of videos one after another.
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    Really need to see a webpage with this playlist 'running'


    At present these .movs on your homepage do not play in my browsers Chrome, IE and Firefox and all support the video tag. Yet as I already stated, if one accepts the info that .mov is not an accepted video format (IE and Firefox would play the audio). And bear in mind that .mp4 is not a format. It is a container and typically video requires to be encoded in common codecs such as AVC. I have not tested jagabo's suggestion but have no reason to dispute his findings although it appears to 'fool' the player in to thinking that an .mp4 is being played.


    Another thing. To merely state that this works in Safari is short-sightness. If you are to publish a website it must work in ALL the major browsers (and maybe minor ones too). Of course I might have jumped the gun here and you are working on that but if not.......

  10. What about the .ts files? I have three sample .ts files in a similar embed at http://dwichannel.com/test.html and the playlist works on Safari on my Mac.

    I captured the .ts files from the TV station's website and compiled them with cat *.ts >filename.ts and if they work on all browsers, then all I need to do is figure out how to add title labels to the front ends in .ts file also.

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    Originally Posted by DWIChannel View Post
    What about the .ts files? I have three sample .ts files in a similar embed at http://dwichannel.com/test.html and the playlist works on Safari on my Mac.

    I captured the .ts files from the TV station's website and compiled them with cat *.ts >filename.ts and if they work on all browsers, then all I need to do is figure out how to add title labels to the front ends in .ts file also.


    here's what i see on the test.html. the video won't play.


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    IE reported "Unsupported video type"


    Firefox reported "No video with supported format or MIME type found"


    Chrome just has an empty player screen


    I do not have a clue why these should work in Safari.


    Maybe this is a Win7 issue but a webpage should always run correctly both in recognised OS and browser.


    And AGAIN do you not understand the supported file formats ?


    One other thing I noticed is that you have a player to the right of those links. But click on any of the links left side and a new browser window opens rather than the same window with video, if it would play, in the original player.

  13. The mov files were playing in Firefox earlier. But the TS file that's at the start of the list now doesn't play. Why don't you just remux all your videos into a supported container? Here's a batch file to remux to mp4 with ffmpeg (drag/drop a video onto it):

    Code:
    ffmpeg" -fflags +genpts -i "%~1" -c copy "%~dpn1.mp4"
    An mp4 with the same base name will be created in the same folder as the original video.
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    And just to prove a point I took your original code, which is by no means complete since it does not have any header info or doc type, replaced your video with one of my own and that played via a localhost server which I use to test my own webpages.

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    The is also a browser incompatability issue when one uses autoplay. It works for certain browsers but not in Chrome unless you set it as 'autoplay muted'. Yes the sound is then off until you click the speaker icon in the controls.


    So for consistency across supported browsers you might consider not using autoplay.

  16. Wow. HTML pages are so compatible one OS/browser to another but video not so. I tried Silk and the .ts files do not play, the autoplayer plays the title page only and then stops, and the video files work but they enlarge bigger than full screen and the end-user has to shrink the video player down to watch.

  17. The TS container is not supported by HTML5. Technically, MOV isn't either. But it's similar enough to MP4 that some browsers can deal with it. You need to remux (or reencode if the codecs aren't supported) to a supported container. MP4 with AVC video and AAC audio is probably your best option.
    Last edited by jagabo; 22nd Jul 2020 at 23:17.

  18. I used iMovie to make a .mp4 clip. I also used the one downloaded from the link above, koco-0001.mp4. They are in https://dwichannel.com/test.html and they work. Now I know that the videos need to be .mp4 to be more compatible. Thanks.

  19. Originally Posted by DB83 View Post
    Ok. Apart from the video format this appears to be a issue with your html programming. There is no such thing as a 'default player' unless the video is actually downloaded. Your original .mov file would download and play.


    Your site has many links but they always go to the embedded player on the actual site not on your site. There's a difference between a default player (offline) to an embedded player (online)


    You might also wish to provide the actual url that includes this playlist just to confirm the above.
    The links on the home page point to an html page on my site that encourages end-users to enjoy the content on the TV station's website. They should visit the cached story on my site and the cached video only if the content is not available on the TV station's website. This is to be fair to the TV station, since it is their content. A lengthy playlist, of course, must be served on my site but if a headline catches their interest they should view the TV station's copy. I figure, the more fair I am to the TV stations the longer they will let me get away with it.

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    ^^ In practice, people are lazy.


    Even with your best intentions, anyone who 'stumbles' across your website will play the first source they find i.e. your 'cached' copy. The link to the original source then acts, as it should, to the original creator. But do bear in mind that tv stations can be fickle with 'borrowed' content. What they might show in real time, or repeat broadcasts, might still upset the families of the victims and they might not wish to encourage that. So do not be surprised should you get some even polite requests to remove such content.


    From a mere viewing perspective people will not wish to view a long playlist. Even if it 'rams' home an important message, repetition leads to disinterest and a more softer approach by simply having these videos play one at a time could be more informative.


    One other thing. This appears to be a niche interest - even my own websites are somewhat 'niche' yet I do provide some personal background as to why I created them. If your motivation in the creation was born from a personal tragedy you get more sympathy by stating the motivation in their creation than a 'lecture' that your text comes over to this reader.

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    that's the worst web hosting i've ever run across. it took 30 minutes to buffer/play, pause, repeat endlessly to get 2 minutes of video. unwatchable trash. no one will stick around long enough to complete a video.
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  22. The OP has exceed his quota and is being severely bandwidth limited now.

    https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/398188-mp4-file-grows-to-giant-size#post2590177

  23. By the way, if you're going to use mp4 you should use the web optimization option. That puts the moov atom (which has all the information like frame size, frame rate, etc, needed to play the video) near the start of the video rather than at the end. In Handbrake the option is called "Web Optimized". In ffmpeg use the "-movflags +faststart" option.

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    As DB83 stated, you're on shaky ground hosting the videos only on your site. If you hosted them on YouTube, they'd likely be quickly taken down for copyright violation. Read up on Fair Use, especially the section below. Just saying to go to the original source if the article is still there doesn't cover you. The article and video are belong to the news station and the right to refuse have their images shown or not are the right of the people who appear in the video.

    "Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole: Under this factor, courts look at both the quantity and quality of the copyrighted material that was used. If the use includes a large portion of the copyrighted work, fair use is less likely to be found; if the use employs only a small amount of copyrighted material, fair use is more likely. That said, some courts have found use of an entire work to be fair under certain circumstances. And in other contexts, using even a small amount of a copyrighted work was determined not to be fair because the selection was an important part—or the “heart”—of the work.

    Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work: Here, courts review whether, and to what extent, the unlicensed use harms the existing or future market for the copyright owner’s original work. In assessing this factor, courts consider whether the use is hurting the current market for the original work (for example, by displacing sales of the original) and/or whether the use could cause substantial harm if it were to become widespread."

    I just read what little of your own text you have on your site. I can't believe you have the audacity to make the following statement:

    "Television news professionals are highly skilled at presenting a story in a manner that captivates the viewer’s attention and leaves a lasting impact. The webmaster is harnessing their talents to spread the word about impaired driving. The videos are used without permission. This might qualify as fair use, but even if it does not, no television station in the world would be wicked enough to take action, especially since this website provides continued exposure to their otherwise dormant material."

    I hope others here join me in informing the non-wicked TV stations of the appropriation of THEIR material!

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    And on and on... Mods please lock this thread and block out the OP's website.

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    This may serve as a wake-up call to the OP. It is not as if he was not warned days ago (and before his ISP, quite quickly, intervened)


    There are many issues and each one could be an ultimate hurdle.


    1. He has now realised that he can not host the videos on his own web space (unless he gets zero visits so then no purpose in having a web site)
    2. Not being the original creator could well also be against the TOC of specialised video hosting services.
    3. He seeks direct permission from the original creator for EVERY single video he hosts. But he then makes each creator aware of the site.
    4. He can not revise his code simply to link the player back to the original host since that is 'bandwidth theft'.
    5. Even if he can get over all these hurdles he really needs a dedicated player AND multiple versions of EVERY video both in format and size/compression to ensure smooth playback on all browsers and devices. So his simple html now becomes a whole lot more complex.

  27. Originally Posted by aedipuss View Post
    that's the worst web hosting i've ever run across. it took 30 minutes to buffer/play, pause, repeat endlessly to get 2 minutes of video. unwatchable trash. no one will stick around long enough to complete a video.
    At first I thought the site was getting so much traffic that the server was slowing down. Actually, the web host restricted resources because the files were so big. I deleted 3+ gigabytes of .mp4 files and now it seems to be back to normal, but with .mov files for Safari on Mac.

    In order to seek permission, the first step is to show the TV stations just how their clips will be used. Obviously, if traffic grows the TV stations will discover the site anyway.

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    It's plainly obvious that you neither want or need any of the advice given in this topic. But since I have 'wasted' many words I will waste some more.


    By some strange quirk, the video on your home page now autoplays (in Chrome atleast - IE still reports an Unsupported Video Type). And it is a quirk because Chrome should not autoplay.


    As previously mentioned, clicking on one of the leftside options takes one to a new page. But this is a 'win some, lose some experience' for me. Some will load and play not in the parameters you specified but what the original video was - the desired 640*360 became, for example, 720p. Others threatened to load but tended to stall at 4 seconds and go no further.


    Now just consider any tv station even wanting to cooperate with you. If this happens with them they are hardly going to view their own website are they. And be even less willing to cooperate on something 'unseen'.


    But for me there is an even greater annoyance. After viewing the video (if you can) on the individual page you navigate back to the home page. And the video that, assumedly, you have already viewed will autoplay AGAIN.


    It would be relatively easy to have ALL clips options on each page and even the text you consider essential to direct the user back to the original source. Then only the video you want to view will play (or a playlist since you even consider that to be a good idea)


    An even more elegant solution is an option|select box so that the list does not scroll in the browser window.

    Edit: Comment removed due to the need for another.
    Last edited by DB83; 25th Jul 2020 at 16:52.

  29. I fixed the autoplay issue on the home page. True, if they return to the home page from an individual story page, the autoplay should not start again.

    I also fixed the individual story pages so they do not show the cached video, only a text link to it.

    I have also begun reaching out to the TV stations about getting permission, instead of waiting for them to reach out to me. Once I get deals worked out I can start getting serious. I cannot exactly monetize the clips until then.

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    You can not exactly monetize the clips under ANY circumstances.


    If this was your plan all along I regret even contributing. So now I really will leave.




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