I'm attempting to capture some MiniDVs I recorded (several years back) from my Canon HDV via firewire and I am having a rough go of it.
Using HDV Split 0.77 I am unable to get a file when capturing from playback. Live recordings captures okay. Switching back and forth between record and play on the HDV will sometimes cause a disconnect or "not recognized" within Split. Once it does that it seems like the firewire connection get hosed. In order to recover from that state takes a lot of waiting or even disabling/reenabling the card.
I've tried two different brand new Firewire cards. Multiple sets of firewire cables. Various other capturing packages. All have the same results.
No obvious events being written. I am able to control the HDV (rewind, play ,etc).
My initial attempts was with elements but move to simplify and went with HDVSplit, for now.
Please let me know what additional information I can provide to help someone help me.
The details of the equation:
Rig: Win7Pro, firstname.lastname@example.orgGHz, 32GB, GeForce GTX 780 Ti, SSD 840 EVO 750GB
Firewire card: Ableconn PEX-FW107 1394b & 1394a 3-Port PCI Express (PCIe)
Camera: Canon VIXIA HV30
Software: Premiere Elements 11, HDVSplit 0.77 Beta
Thank you for your time.
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Make sure you set the output to HDV instead of DV in the camera menu if you are capturing HDV materials.
Surely MiniDVs are DV and not HDV. Is there a camera setting for that output ?
in the camera's settings make sure the tape format is set to HDV and the output is also set to HDV. as long as you're sure they were recorded as HDV. the cam was also capable of recording in DV which would require different settings and the use of winDV to get output over firewire.--
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Thank you all!
It is still wonderful to have that "light bulb moment"... even when it took a group of very helpful people to point you to it!
It was the output format configuration within the HV30 that was the root of my misunderstanding and thus the problem.
This post within Canon's KB was also helpful once I understood enough to look for it: https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART128240
Thank you all for your input. Great forum. I hope to become a useful part of it.
This camera has also component video out ?
There's a nice wiki about HDV, is the footage shot in progressive ? this is an option on your Canon HV30....
codec is h.262 (MPEG2)
What i now understand of it all, the camera had to be switched from component video output to iLink/firewire output ? the format of the footage is HDV, PF24 or PF30 PsF ish... ? is it possible to read-out on this camcorder the actual specs of the recording ? so no mistakes are made while transfering/coding....
Last edited by Eric-jan; 19th May 2020 at 10:32.
Yah exactly it won't be any better, just a ton worse.
Another round of D -> A -> D will certainly soften it up further.
I had a couple of things going on. My first issue was that the tape I was working with was NOT HDV but rather DV. I have two cameras that I have shot video with, one is an older model JVC that only does DV. My newer HV30, as many have said, can do both. Plain and simple... I didn't actually look and see the big "DV" on the HV30's screen as the tape was playing back. I just "assumed" it was in HDV because I had it in the HV30 not remembering I shot it with the JVC.
So with the recorded video in DV I had the output from the HV30 set to HDV and I was using HDVSplit to try and capture it, I had all manner if issues. Once I set the camera to output DV and used appropriate software... boom, Bob's your uncle.
That does explain why I had no trouble capturing LIVE output from the HV30 using HDVSplit.
I still wish to understand the technical details DV/HDV. This site is proving invaluable in my education!
They both use the same size (but not metallic formulation) of tape.
They both run at similar speeds and use a similar overall data throughput bitrate.
Use 8bits per pixel color primary.
They both have "dv" in their name.
That is where the similarities end.
Dv is (not counting pro versions - dvcam, dvcpro, dvcpro50, dvcpro100, dvcpro-hd):
Standard Definition - 720x576 (PAL) @25fps or 720x480 (NTSC) @29.97fps, always interleaved
Usually 4:3, but occasionally letterboxed to 16:9, and rarely true 16:9 anamorphic
4:2:0 (PAL) or 4:1:1 (NTSC) subsampling
Iframe-only 5.5:1 DCT-compressed video
32kHz 12bit 4ch, or 44.1kHz or 48kHz 16bit stereo LPCM audio
Interleaved along with timecode & aux user data in proprietary muxed packet "dv" format data stream.
High Definition - 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 @24, 25 or 29.97fps interleaved or progressive, or 1280x720 @24, 25, 29.97, 50 or 59.94fps progressive (though there is in theory a std def option)
Always 4:2:0 subsampling
Short GOP (6-15frames, closed) MPEG2 compressed
384kbps 48kHz 16bit stereo mp2 (mpeg1 layer2) audio (lpcm is a rare option for 720 versions)
Multiplexed into an mpeg TS (transport stream) formatted data stream (or file)
19mbps for 720 versions, 25mbps for 1080 versions.
It is the rare app that can do capture of both kinds.
Last edited by Cornucopia; 20th May 2020 at 01:20.
I though HDV was always 1440x1080, I had both the pro Sony FX1 and the consumer (Sony and Panasonic) and they all recorded @1440, Do you know of any hardware that did 1920x1080 in HDV format?
There were only a few late models, and I don't know how they did it, that claim that. Most 1080 ones ARE 1440x1080 as you experienced.
I believe if I can remember correctly it was done in pass-through mode via SDI, HDMI or component but if recorded on tape it gets down converted to 1440 to keep the bandwidth within the DV standard limit which is 25Mbps. I remember reading about it at avsforum.
Canon cameras are weird things, having one here, that's already fullhd digital records on SD card, or internal, records interlaced, but can be transfered in progressive by USB.
i guess it's good to know what type of recordings are made, and reading the manual for each camera model, since there are a lot of differences for codecs and resolutions, the miniDV cassette was used for a lot of different devices, consumer and pro, DV has limited support on the MAC OS i discovered, and if it has, it's very hard to decode to a good quality, because it's very hard to read the metadata for resolution, etc...
I have to dust of a windows pc here that has firewire, for the few miniDV tapes i have, or i should use my ES35V that has also a DV input ..
btw. a nice feature of the NTSC HV30 is, that it also records at 24fps
Last edited by Eric-jan; 20th May 2020 at 12:39.