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For the most part TV service providers only allow using their own equipment to record and their DVRs won't allow recordings to be exported. If someone has cable service that can supply CableCARDs to customers, TiVo is the exception to that rule. There is software for TiVo that allows exporting recordings to a computer. The Silicon Dust HDHomerun Prime is a digital cable tuner that accepts a CableCARD, like a TiVo. With the HDHomerun Prime installed on your home network and connected to cable, copy-freely channels can be recorded using some third-party software on a Windows PC and using theSiliconDust's paid DVR software on a Windows PC, Android TV device, Linux PCs, select NAS models or a Mac.
TV service providers can broadcast channels at a different resolution than the channel's own satellite transmission uses. For example, Xfinity supplies Syfy at 720p. Also, streaming video is progressive and the Roku uses streaming to access its channels so the HD video it receives is either 720p or 1080p. The Roku may or may not be able to offer 1080i as an output resolution to record with a capture device. I don't know what options a Roku provides for HDMI output.Last edited by usually_quiet; 17th Apr 2020 at 19:25. Reason: clarity, added NAS option
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My Roku Ultra can be set to 720p60 or 1080p60 HDMI output -- no 1080i option. The Sling.tv app on the Roku is set to "highest quality" and appears to be getting a 1080p30 stream for the SyFy channel (~5 Mb/s).
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I use the https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hdpvr.html Hauppauge hd pvr 1212 If u can find one. It's a video capture device that connects to your computer an uses Arcsoft Showbiz software to encode the video an save it on your pc/laptops hard drive. It has component input, thus analog so you avoid the entanglements w/ HDCP encryption that HDMI has. Most DVR's (I have Cox DVR, an Dish Network DVRs) have component outputs, however the Roku is not going to have it, but i use another device on my Roku to convert HDMI to component. The ViewHD VHD-H2YVs: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ViewHD-VHD-H2YVs-HDMI-to-YPbPr-VGA-Coverter/124074785792?hash...UAAOSw849ePOYm Never had any issues w/ recording off my Roku using that an my hauppauge. The software w/ the Hauppauge (Arcsoft) allows you set bitrate/quality etc. Larger the quality, the larger the file, an u can also select file type. I use .TS (transport stream) w/ a fairly high quality, and about 2 hours worth is around 10gig's. I can then turn around an convert that file to BluRay format (using MultiAVCHD along w/ a bunch of other programs to make it work right, including ffmpeg, etc. I think theres a thread somewhere in the forum that explains all u need an how to set it up) an burn to disk using a Blu-ray burner, but you wouldnt need to do that, you just want the files. The files you can transfer to a thumbdrive (as long as u re-format said thumbdrive to NTFS aka non fat32, so that u CAN actually transfer large files to it). Most TV's these days have USB inputs an will understand how to play these video files.
Additionally I also bought 1 of these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-MDR533H-F7-HDD-amp-DVD-Recorder-with-Digital-Tuner...SP0D6gc1NtE9F+
Now this is a DVR w/ HDD and DVD recorder. It receives OFF Air signal via digital ANT but u can also feed into it composite video (analog Red/yellow/white RCA), which of course is not HD but at least it gives u the option to record to the hard drive or straight to DVD. U can subsequently burn from the drive to DVD later. The manual is pretty good to explain how to use it. Of course if your going to use a Roku only, an not a Cox/Verizon/Xfinity DVR, you'll need to get a converter as well. I use this: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Black-Mini-1080P-HDMI-to-RCA-Audio-Video-AV-CVBS-Adapter-Co...CABEgI8GfD_BwE But i just tested it w/ the Roku an u have to power it. With most devices, the HDMI is enough to power it, but somethings you have to connect a usb cable 2.0? cable to power it. Most cable boxes i've seen have RCA composite outputs, but not all. And w/ the Magnavox DVR you can set timers just like the old fashioned VCR. It is quite expensive though. -
I broke out my old Hauppauge HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition and set it up with the Roku Ultra.
https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hdpvr2-ge.html
Code:Roku --> HD PVR 2, HDMI Out --> TV HD PVR 2, USB Out --> Computer
So I added my HDMI splitter into the chain and everything then worked fine.
Code:Roku --> HDMI Splitter --> TV HDMI Splitter --> HD PVR 2, USB Out --> Computer
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1. Panasonic dmr-ez48v vhs+dvd deck.
Any signal you give it over rf, rca, composite, it can record top vhs tape or dvd.
2. Hdmi out from anything thru hdmi copy protection stripper box into any hd video recorder (hard drive, sd drive, pc based).
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/42-hdtv-recorders/?amp=1
https://www.elgato.com/en
Https://www.Hauppauge.com
https://www.tweaking4all.com/home-theatre/remove-hdcp-hdmi-signal/
A zillion ways. -
Sorry for abandoning the thread, it's been a busy few days. Lots of neat discussion posted while I was gone! Thanks, everyone.
I've read elsewhere that SyFy currently broadcasts at 1080p60, but SlingTV only provides it at 1080p30 -- which seems to confirm jagabo's findings. Aggravating, but not much I can do about it unless I switch providers.
I've investigated the AverMedia 130 and 310, and the Hauppauge HD PVR2, and all record up to 1080p30. That's good enough for my current source, but I'm thinking I should "future-proof" my purchase and buy something with the ability to record at 1080p60. Can anyone suggest a device that will do that? -
https://www.elgato.com/en/gaming/game-capture-4k60-s-plus
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensitypro4k
Go crazy and future proof all the way up to 4k 60hz!
Else
https://www.elgato.com/en/gaming/game-capture-hd60-s-plus
https://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hdpvr60.html
All assuming you've got the hdmi copy stripper box.
Anything analog, you'd have to convert to hdmi with another box if the recorder doesn't have analog inputs. -
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Originally Posted by jagabo
Originally Posted by jagabo
Originally Posted by babygdav -
720p60 and 1080i30 are broadcast standards for US cable TV, OTA TV, and satellite TV. Streaming video is always progressive as far as I know, so you'll probably never see 1080i30 delivered via streaming but you might see 1080p30.
Even though YoutubeTV uses 1080p60 for streaming some things, including SyFy, that doesn't mean that SlingTV or the SyFy app use 1080p60 for streaming SyFy. They could be streaming video at 1080p30 or 720p60 instead. However, regardless of the framerate received, your Roku box apparently outputs 1080p video at 60 frames per second over HDMI. So if you want to record at 1080p, ideally you would use a capture device that captures 1080p60 video at 1080p60.Ignore list: hello_hello, tried, TechLord, Snoopy329 -
And to be clear, NOBODY in the US broadcasts at 4k yet. (Streaming possibly, sat uplink definitely, but not cable/OTA).
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True. 4k tv with 4k ota tuners and broadcasts coming later this year.
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Even if SyFy is streaming 1080p60 somewhere almost everything they show is shot on film at 24 fps. What would really be nice is a device that can decimate properly from 30p or 60p back to 24p before encoding. I don't know of any that does that though.
Also, don't forget that 4K uses a new HDMI encryption algorithm. I don't know if there are any HDCP bypass device for that yet. -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFwo4_sanU
https://cinnafilm.com/abq-firm-takes-award-winning-film-tech-to-the-cloud/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4wE_XZjYk
Hollywood level retiming used by the majors. -
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A great forum topic this is!
I am from the Netherlands and dealing with the same issue as the OS.
I am planning to buy the KELIIYO Hdmi Splitter and the EZRecorder 130.
@ jjeff , bentley
With these two , would it then be possible to record streams from my TV Set Top Box ?
What would be the setup when I have both the splitter and the EZRecorder?
Do I need to connect the HDMI cable from the Set Top Box to the -> Splitter (HDMI IN?) and then a HDMI cable from the Splitter to the EZRecorder ?
Appreciate the help. -
Yes you have it correct, HDMI out of your TV Set Top Box to the Keliiyo's HDMI IN and it's out would go to your HDMI recorder. You can feed the Keliioy's other outputs to anything you want, in my case it goes to my monitor.
Note for best resolution I have my EZ-130 set to "real time mode" but use "maximum length" for quality as I couldn't really tell any difference and it made the smallest file size, your opinion may differ so I'd suggest you try all options. -
Thanks for the help! Just ordered the items, so I hope I can try it out asap!
Will let you know the outcome ! -
For satellite reception: DVBSky S960 V2 USB Box with DVBViewer as recording software http://www.dvbviewer.com/en/index.php
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People have already answered this question better than I can. But man, it just takes a time capsule-like question such as this to realize just how far fair-use laws and corporate practice have shifted against the casual consumer in the United States. It is far, far down the list of social concerns, but it is quite a sobering thing to ponder how we got here.
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