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    Hey! So i need some help on capturing signals from analogue and BNC sources. I've gotten into collecting old broadcasting equipment (u-matic, betacam SP, type C reels ect) and so far i have been using an elgato usb dongle (dont yell at me i know already). It works but it is very limited in abilities. I recent bought a BNC capture card Optibase MPEG9500 BPC1893A and my computer has no idea what to do with it (win 10) i cant find info or drivers for it online despite it being very popular on ebay. So i think this was a bad purchase choice on my end. can somebody with experience in capturing analogue signals to windows computers help me, what capture card is affordable for a hobbyist? ALSO I SHOULD MENTION, i dont work for a company that needs these old media types transferred, this is a fun hobby for me thats all.
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  2. Brief search didn't find any drivers.
    Company website has nothing - gone.

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    Sdi/bnc. Tons of modern capture devices.
    E.g.
    https://m.markertek.com/product/aja-u-tap-sdi/aja-u-tap-sdi-usb-3-0-powered-sdi-captur...iABEgK5RvD_BwE
    https://m.markertek.com/category/video-pci-cards-capture-cards
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    Try Linux to see if it can detect your card, else abandoned.

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    BNC is just a connector, it can carry composite video, Y/C, component, RGB, SDI ....etc, You may have the card but it might not work with your output. If you describe your workflow and what players you are capturing from we might be able to help you find a card that works.
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    the players that i regularly capture from are "U-matic - Betacam SP - VHS and a D-2 player coming soon" I currently use an elgato Dongle. Instead of using the usb dongle i'd like to use a capture card to get better quality. Currently i'm researching the cards in the links that babygdav posted. I'd like to keep price around the $100 if not less. The quality of 20-40 year tapes do not merit a $500+ capture card.
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    You still didn't mention what output you are capturing from, Composite, Y/C (S-Video), RGB, Component, SDI ? It's not just the price, it's about what card works with your players with a reasonable price tag. And no you don't need those cards in the links, Ask the members who are doing this and own the equipment not someone surfing the internet for webpages.
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    Originally Posted by dellsam34 View Post
    You still didn't mention what output you are capturing from, Composite, Y/C (S-Video), RGB, Component, SDI ? It's not about the price, it's about what card works with your players. And no you don't need those cards in the links, Ask the members who are doing this and own the equipment not someone surfing the internet for webpages.
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    LOL about babygdav! He's a poser who's being called out for his lack of knowledge about what he posts!

    U-Matic and VHS would be S-video at best or composite out through BNC connectors. Contact lordsmurf for an ATI 600 clone which he highly recommends and has available here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/marketplace/8253-sale-ati-600-a.html He has drivers for Win 10 available.

    As I've posted many times before, lordsmurf is one of the most knowledgeable and trustworthy members here.

    As dellsam34 stated, BNC is just a connector that can carry various types of video signals. But AFAIK, all your video sources will have composite out available through one of the connections.
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    That's what I'm trying to know from him, If he posts the model #'s of the players we will know the outputs and then it could either be achieved with one SDI/PCIe card only if all players have SDI output or two cards one being Composite/S-Video/Component and the second being SDI for the D-2 player if quality is the goal, if not a composite card will capture from all players.
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    Hey ok, the outputs on my machines are

    (Sony VO-5850 SDI, Composite Audio and a weird 7pin connector both male an female)
    (Sony VP-7029 SDI, Composite Audio)
    (Sony Betacam SP PVW-2600 SDI, S-video and XLR Audio)
    (VCR standard component, compost and s-video)
    (Sony D2 Dvr-20 (Not sure of connections, dont have yet)
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    You're still confused between SDI and BNC, From the model numbers looks like none of them has SDI out, only composite BNC, S-Video and component BNC, The D2 DVR-20 will have the SDI digital output, You got a mixed basket of outputs looks like you'll need at least two cards for maximum quality, one is component/S-Video/composite and one SDI, otherwise just capture composite from all players if quality is not the goal.

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    SDI PCIe

    Component/S-Video/Composite

    Check for compatibility with your system before you buy.
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    i am continually confused for sure. Especially since SDI and BNC "look" the same. I will read up on the cards you sent! thank you!
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    That "weird 7pin" thing is a mini-DIN (but screw-on?) dub connector that sends (out) & receives (in) Y/C, which can often be adapted to work with S-Video (YMMV, must match color carrier frequency). This can be a better connection quality than standard Composite Video.

    Agreed: BNC is just a connector type that is usually agnostic to the signal type. It is the signal type which is important, as connectors such as this and XLR and 1/4" phone and RCA can often be passively adapted AS LONG AS the signal type is properly accommodated throughout, but change a signal type and you got a somewhat, or very, degraded signal, or nothing at all.
    E.g.: SDI is a signal type that commonly uses the BNC connector. Composite Video is a signal type that commonly uses either the BNC or the RCA connector. Sometimes the cabling (shielding vs. no shielding, 50ohm vs. 75ohm impedance, etc) is different, however, so a random cable might not be optimal for the particular signal type use.

    Always: use the right tool for the job.

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    Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    Always: use the right tool for the job.

    Hey thats why i'm here! thank you
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  13. I recommend the BLACKMAGIC Ultrastudio Express card. Buy in ebay.
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  14. I recommend the BLACKMAGIC Ultrastudio Express card. Buy in ebay.

    The very best of Black magic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSzbiE_2hXg
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    Originally Posted by didiere View Post
    I recommend the BLACKMAGIC Ultrastudio Express card. Buy in ebay.

    The very best of Black magic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSzbiE_2hXg
    That's like $300, why would he get that one when he can get a PCIe SDI card for around $50.
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  16. The BM card offers a complete set of options for analog and digital video/audio capture (Digital SDI, Component, Composite, S-Video, HDMI) Add remote management of the deck + Capture Time Code.
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    Again, BM makes PCIe SDI cards and he can get one used for less than $50, He doesn't need an external one for $300. You sound like you work for BM.
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    @neeel: i have good results capturing from component video, most of the time a device with component video output, delivers a clean video signal, trying to capture/transfer from HDMI.. a lot can go wrong, and this is not always the blame of HDCP, but also because HDMI is a two way handshake "system" i guess.
    The component video output also has no Macrovision protection present because this connection was mostly used for the then new LCD screens, and the already existing beamers.
    Accordinfg to me, you can't capture from RGB output, because this is not YUV, and you need also the sync from the composite output, RGB is used mostly used for (CRT) studio monitors,
    or european PAL consumer (CRT)tv's mostly through their SCART connector, for optical disc players and cable & satellite settop boxes.(or game consoles)
    You could also use passthrough devices, they can have some signal cleaning qualities, Which a TBC can have also, a TBC is an expensive option most of the time, if available, and you must know your thing about TBC's, there's no magic involved.
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    None of his decks has HDMI output.
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  20. Originally Posted by Eric-jan View Post
    @neeel: i have good results capturing from component video, most of the time a device with component video output, delivers a clean video signal, trying to capture/transfer from HDMI.. a lot can go wrong, and this is not always the blame of HDCP, but also because HDMI is a two way handshake "system" i guess.
    The component video output also has no Macrovision protection present because this connection was mostly used for the then new LCD screens, and the already existing beamers.
    Accordinfg to me, you can't capture from RGB output, because this is not YUV, and you need also the sync from the composite output, RGB is used mostly used for (CRT) studio monitors,
    or european PAL consumer (CRT)tv's mostly through their SCART connector, for optical disc players and cable & satellite settop boxes.(or game consoles)
    You could also use passthrough devices, they can have some signal cleaning qualities, Which a TBC can have also, a TBC is an expensive option most of the time, if available, and you must know your thing about TBC's, there's no magic involved.
    Component signal really beautiful:

    Component capture example

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    It's as good as the source material, Analog and digital SD Betacam are 480i, So no they are not going to look as good as HD.
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    It's as good as the source material, Analog and digital SD Betacam are 480i, So no they are not going to look as good as HD.
    You're have confused concepts, HD 1080i or SD 486i, the color depth can be 8 bits or 10 bits (Digital Video), so regardless of the resolution you can have excellent image quality.
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    Originally Posted by didiere View Post
    You're have confused concepts, HD 1080i or SD 486i, the color depth can be 8 bits or 10 bits (Digital Video), so regardless of the resolution you can have excellent image quality.
    I think you are the confused one, and what's even worse you are confusing the OP with your non sense posts.
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    Originally Posted by didiere View Post
    You're have confused concepts, HD 1080i or SD 486i, the color depth can be 8 bits or 10 bits (Digital Video), so regardless of the resolution you can have excellent image quality.
    I think you are the confused one, and what's even worse you are confusing the OP with your non sense posts.
    I am a broadcast and postproduction engineer so ask yourself who is the one confused in this conversation.
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    Originally Posted by didiere View Post
    I am a broadcast and postproduction engineer so ask yourself who is the one confused in this conversation.
    Facts have nothing to do with what you do for a living, Cut the BS and try to post something useful for the thread besides targeted ads for expensive products.
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