[avisynth] is there an alternative to YADIF?!?

[marcorocchini]

Hi and however please respect for cats.

And however exactly I would not know why in certain situations of the images, the use of yadif(1,1) rarely create strange artifacts in the image (over details)

This issue is not always systematic and reproducible.

I ask if there exist an external plugin for avisynth that does the same function of yadif(1,1) (deinterlace and double framerate) and if possible in 32/64bit version thanks

[poisondeathray]

yadifmod2 + nnedi3

eg

yadifmod2(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

Or QTGMC , or TDeint + NNEDI3 / EEDI3

[marcorocchini]

I have avisynth R1576: what nnedi3 should I use?

[poisondeathray]

I have avisynth R1576: what nnedi3 should I use?

Update your avisynth first. That's like 5 years old

https://github.com/jpsdr/NNEDI3/releases

Inside the nnedi3 folder there are several .dll's . Use the highest one that your CPU has. E.g. if you have AVX512, use that

[marcorocchini]

and yadifmod2 support YUY2?

[poisondeathray]

and yadifmod2 support YUY2?

no YUY2

Planar 4:2:2 (YV16 in avisynth)

[marcorocchini]

seems that the old yadifmod plugin support YUY2: it's true?

using

LoadCPlugin("v:\AviSynth\plugins64+\yadifmod\yadifmod.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\Nuova cartella (5)\canon422 XF300 1920x1080 50i 422.MXF").yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

seems to load ok. But is there also a x86 version of yadifmod.dll?

[poisondeathray]

yadifmod2

https://github.com/chikuzen/yadifmod2/releases

[marcorocchini]

yadifmod2

https://github.com/chikuzen/yadifmod2/releases

but I need to load video clip that are YUY2: can it do it?

[poisondeathray]

LWLibavVideoSource("catvideo.ext", format="YUV422P8")

This should return YV16


(If you have to, YUY2<=>YV16 is lossless conversion in avisynth if done properly. You should not need to do this)

Eg.
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
or
ConvertToYV16(interlaced=true)

[marcorocchini]

I know but I'm inside a batch that have to use the output as input for other source ... is all copliCat but one thing at a time

please

If I use Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
Import("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\smoothFPS2.avsi")
Import("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\FrostyBorders.avsi")
Import("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\CropResizedic2017.avsi")     
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\Lsmash64perVirtualDub64\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64\ffms2.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins64\yadif.dll") 
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\NNEDI32019\eedi3.dll") 
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\perQTGMC64bit\nnedi3.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\YADIFMOD2\yadifmod2.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\yadifmod\yadifmod.dll")

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\Nuova cartella (5)\canon422 XF300 1920x1080 50i 422.MXF").yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

I get an error:

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Meanwhile if I use:

Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
Import("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\smoothFPS2.avsi")
Import("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\FrostyBorders.avsi")
Import("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins\CropResizedic2017.avsi")     
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\Lsmash64perVirtualDub64\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64\ffms2.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins64\yadif.dll") 
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\NNEDI32019\eedi3.dll") 
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\perQTGMC64bit\nnedi3.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\YADIFMOD2\yadifmod2.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins64+\yadifmod\yadifmod.dll")


LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\Nuova cartella (5)\canon422 XF300 1920x1080 50i 422.MXF")
yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

load is OK: what can be the problem?

[jagabo]

nnedi3 has no input in your first script.

[Brad]

(If you have to, YUY2<=>YV16 is lossless conversion in avisynth if done properly. You should not need to do this)

Eg.
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
or
ConvertToYV16(interlaced=true)

How would you do it improperly? Just making sure I'm not screwing things up, myself. (The interlaced setting does nothing when converting 4:2:2 to 4:2:2.)

[lordsmurf]

Why not QTGMC?

[poisondeathray]

How would you do it improperly? Just making sure I'm not screwing things up, myself. (The interlaced setting does nothing when converting 4:2:2 to 4:2:2.)

Yes, interlaced=true/false does not affect 4:2:2 <=>4:2:2 in avisynth; interlace switch only affects to/from RGB and or other subsampling

You can do it "improperly" in other programs; not all 4:2:2 pixel types/configurations are interconvertible without loss . Some are handled differently (some go through RGB intermediate), and certain 4:2:2 fourcc's cause it to be mishandled and lossy . Such as the window's NLE's he is using - "YUY2" will be mishandled

[jagabo]

And pretty much any single frame rate deinterlacer can be turned into a double frame rate deinterlacer with a field reversal and Interleave().

[marcorocchini]

SetMemoryMax(16)
Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\core\yadif.dll")  
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\LeakKernelDeint.dll")  

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF", format="YUV422P8")

avisynth 3.4.0 and need to use AVFS to "load" the clip but seems to retourn and error like:

AvfsAviMediaInit: Clip has no supported video.

[poisondeathray]

SetMemoryMax(16)
Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\core\yadif.dll")  
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\LeakKernelDeint.dll")  

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF", format="YUV422P8")

avisynth 3.4.0 and need to use AVFS to "load" the clip but seems to retourn and error like:

AvfsAviMediaInit: Clip has no supported video.

Use the newer avfs.exe . The command line version.

You can find it with the portable vapoursynth version. Just extract it with 7zip
https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/releases

eg

avfs catscript.avs

PS. SetMemoryMax(16) is going to be a problem (!) . Units are MB

[poisondeathray]

BTW - if you are using avfs, it will get converted to RGB in most windows NLE's . Neither YV16 or YUY2 will be "lossless" either

You need 8bit 422 as "UYVY" to get "lossless" treatment in most windows NLE's, but the avfs emulator does not do this pixel configuration


Vapoursynth can do 10bit 422 as v210 with enable_v210 = True switch using avfs. This will get accepted in many NLE's and treated as YUV 10bit 422 properly and lossless

[marcorocchini]

I know but however at the moment I should make a series of monstrous changes for which I am not capable with my limited ***-brain

too compliCat modify this batch (attached) that have a lot of calls x86/x64 and the output that have to be manage any armor that I can't cross with my limited cat-****

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gje9kd29apy0rlk/soloAVS_HD50P.bat?dl=0

for example, if I don't mistake, the new AVFS cannot let you load .avs via shell: for me this is extremely unconfortable.
I alwais need to keep open the commandline dos-window for every video clip loaded because in the new AVFS it's no longer implemented as a shell extension

If you see my batch there is a particular routine that need the old avfs

         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" v:\automazioneclip\system\fart.exe "%~dp1tempNaming.txt" : _
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" v:\automazioneclip\system\fart.exe "%~dp1tempNaming.txt" \ _
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" set /p newPath=<"%~dp1tempNaming.txt"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" if exist "%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" del "%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" 
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" rem *** nella linea seguente il finale proc serve a non far finire il file per avs perche altrimenti stranamente non carica in c volumes *** 
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" ren "%~n1_HD.avs" "%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" pfm unmount "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" pfm mount "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" IF NOT "%windowsXP%"=="1" findstr /c:"%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" "C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\AVSavvio.bat"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" IF NOT "%windowsXP%"=="1" IF ERRORLEVEL 1 (echo IF EXIST "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" pfm mount "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs">>"C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\AVSavvio.bat")  
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" IF "%windowsXP%"=="1" findstr /c:"%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Menu Avvio\Programmi\Esecuzione automatica\AVSavvio.bat"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" IF "%windowsXP%"=="1" IF ERRORLEVEL 1 (echo IF EXIST "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs" pfm mount "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs">>"C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Menu Avvio\Programmi\Esecuzione automatica\AVSavvio.bat")
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" for /f delims^=^" %%a in ('pfm flush "%~dp1%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avs"') do set "flushed1=%%a"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" set "flushed=%flushed1%\%~n1_HD_%newPath%proc.avi"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" if exist "%~dp1%~n1_HD.avi" del "%~dp1%~n1_HD.avi"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" v:\automazioneclip\core\mklink.exe /s "%~dp1%~n1_HD.avi" "%flushed%"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" if exist "%~dp1tempNaming.txt" del "%~dp1tempNaming.txt"
         if "%fps25OR50%"=="1" if exist "fileNameEXT.txt" del "fileNameEXT.txt"

I write the routine that load as virtual clip in a symlink .avi and now it's too compliCated to change the world.
Or more likely impossible at the moment.
I have too many constraints that currently don't make it possible for me to change, for example the version of avisynth or others fundamental bases.

The only reasonable change that in my specific case I can make to the batch is to strictly change the deinterlacing line yadif(1,1) with another deinterlacer.

I have try with LeakKernelDeint: it's not bad, but not not so good.

For example

Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\core\yadif.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\LeakKernelDeint.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\yadifmod\yadifmod.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\NNEDI32019\nnedi3.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF")

yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

seems work. But the batch may need to change the .avs structure, depending on the source, to use the deinterlacer in this (bad) way:

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))

this above does not work : Script error: Invalid arguments to function 'nnedi3'.

but using simply yadif(1,1) can be work togheter:

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").yadif(1,1)

and

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF")
yadif(1,1)

So I wonder: using yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3)) is there a way to put the line in both the way?

However to understand the problem I load the video with the issuse of strange (and not sistematic) loss of detail using yadif(1,1):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c2qzbcl96gdfl0x/YadifOut.avi?dl=0

this above is "bad".

And this is the "right":

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5ztxrx7flupupk/leakKernelOut.avi?dl=0

using

LWLibavVideoSource("V:\Sfilata2019\A\C0001.MXF").LeakKernelBob(order=1,threshold=10,sharp=true,twoway=true,map=false)

[jagabo]

So I wonder: using yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3)) is there a way to put the line in both the way?

Provide a source for nnedi3().

[poisondeathray]

Why don't you just format the batch differently?

The input implied "last" into nnedi3 is undefined .

A work around is to use a helper function

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").catfunction()


function catfunction(clip c)
{
  yadifmod2(c,order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(c,field=3))
}

[marcorocchini]

So I wonder: using yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3)) is there a way to put the line in both the way?

Provide a source for nnedi3().

but in what way?

[jagabo]

So I wonder: using yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3)) is there a way to put the line in both the way?

Provide a source for nnedi3().

but in what way?

The same way you got a source for yadifmod().

[marcorocchini]

Why don't you just format the batch differently?

The input implied "last" into nnedi3 is undefined .

A work around is to use a helper function

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").catfunction()


function catfunction(clip c)
{
  yadifmod2(c,order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(c,field=3))
}

Ok I try:

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").catfunction()


function catfunction(clip c)
{
  yadifmod(order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(field=3))
}

but it does not work

does exist a yadifmod version that don't use external plugins like nnedi3?

[marcorocchini]

if possible I would like to have the "freedom" to use catfunction() in both the way:

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").catfunction()

or

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF")
catfunction()

exactly as yadif(1,1) can be used

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF").yadif(1,1)

or

LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF")
yadif(1,1)

[poisondeathray]

but it does not work

You didn't copy it correctly. Look more closely or copy paste directly

if possible I would like to have the "freedom" to use catfunction() in both the way:

It does work both way ;

You can also change the arguments to specify the order, mode as variables. Currently they are "hardcoded" in catfunction() as order=1, mode=1 . The problem is the "field" in NNEDI3 has to match the other arguments (it's not that simple;eg. field=3 matches top field, double rate)

You can name it dogfunction() if you want

[marcorocchini]

but it does not work

You didn't copy it correctly. Look more closely or copy paste directly

if possible I would like to have the "freedom" to use catfunction() in both the way:

It does work both way ;

You can also change the arguments to specify the order, mode as variables. Currently they are "hardcoded" in catfunction() as order=1, mode=1 . The problem is the "field" in NNEDI3 has to match the other arguments (it's not that simple;eg. field=3 matches top field, double rate)

You can name it dogfunction() if you want

SetMemoryMax(16)
Import("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\IResize.avsi")
LoadPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\avisynth\plugins\LSMASHSource.dll")
LoadCPlugin("v:\automazioneclip\core\yadif.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\LeakKernelDeint.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\yadifmod\yadifmod.dll")
LoadCPlugin("V:\automazioneclip\AviSynth\plugins+\NNEDI32019\nnedi3.dll")


LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\c116\C0116.MXF")
catfunction()


function catfunction(clip c)
{
  yadifmod(c,order=1,mode=1,edeint=nnedi3(c,field=3))
}

tjis seems works, I was wrong not to put the string exactly as you said it

[marcorocchini]

but what happens if, in another PC the nnedi3 is not compatible with the specific processor? it cannot be works?

[poisondeathray]

but what happens if, in another PC the nnedi3 is not compatible with the specific processor? it cannot be works?

Use the lowest common version; Don't use AVX-512 because not as common

Windows 7, Core2 SSE4.2 should be "good enough" . It actually won't be that much slower. The avx2 speedup is not massive for NNEDI3

Not very many XP users , or computer 10-15 years old