Conversion and streaming throttling conflict

[carlmart]

Two days ago I experienced what seems to be throttling conflict when I tried to stream a video, as a Vidcoder conversion was going on.

Is it possible that a Vidcoder conversion can affect ethernet cable streaming? How and why?

How should I proceed to prevent that from happening?

[jagabo]

More likely a CPU conflict. Don't run video encoders at high priority. Run them at low or idle priority.

[carlmart]

How do I setup that? Low or idle priority?

[jagabo]

I've never used Vidcoder but surely there's a priority setting somewhere in its settings. As a last resort you can set the priority while the program is encoding via Task Manager. Go to the Process tab, find Vidcoder in the list, right click on it and select Set Priority -> Below Normal or Low.

[carlmart]

Vidcoder has a Priority setup, which I just put in "Below normal".

Let's see if that solves the issue.

It's a pity Vidcoder or Handbrake do not allow using the GPU capacity, as other conversion programs do.

[jagabo]

Handbrake allows use of the GPU for compression. For example, on my i5 2500K system I have access to "h.264 (Intel QSV)". On one of my other computer I have access to h.264 (Intel QSV), h.264 10=bit (Intel QSV), h.265 (Intel QSV), and h.265 10-bit (Intel QSV). I don't have AMD or Nvidia GPUs but I know it supports NVEnc and AMD VCE.

[carlmart]

Please translate it for me, because I lost myself in your explanation.

I am not sure what compression is that you mention, or how that would apply on my conversions. I do not use H265.

[jagabo]

Choice of video compression is on the Video tab. Use the pulldown next to Video Codec:


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That was taken on my old 2500K system so the only GPU choice is h.264 Intel QSV.

[carlmart]

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Handbrake, never learned to use it. I'm a Vidcoder man.

If there was a way to implement that with Vidcoder I'd use it.

Right now I'm getting very slow conversions from Vidcoder, like 6 hours to convert a BD rip to 8GB mkv.

I would certainly like to do that faster.

[jagabo]

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Handbrake...

You're the one who brought it up!

It's a pity Vidcoder or Handbrake do not allow using the GPU capacity, as other conversion programs do.

[carlmart]

You're the one who brought it up!

Not really, I just mentioned Handbrake, but stated my interest was in Vidcoder.

In any case, that is certainly not important.

I would be willing to give another try at Handbrake if I can load the same variables I load in Vidcoder for the conversions, and maybe use GPU assistance if available.

Any Handbrake tutorial around that could help me with the setup?

[jagabo]

According to Vidcoder's web site it supports "Hardware-accelerated encoding with AMD VCE, Nvidia NVENC and Intel QuickSync".

https://vidcoder.net/

And from images I've see its interface looks a lot like Handbrake's. Especially the video tab which has the same Video Codec pulldown for selecting an encoder.

[carlmart]

How do you enable the GPU acceleration? Is that explained anywhere?

[carlmart]

Just finished my latest conversion: it took 7 hours.

I think that's a bit too much, considering I have not changed my setup in years.

[jagabo]

How do you enable the GPU acceleration? Is that explained anywhere?

Just pick a GPU accelerated encoder with the Video Encoder pulldown.

[carlmart]

I'm not sure if you use GPU help in my Vidcoder version.

OTOS I don't know how to import my setup settings onto the latest Vidcoder versions.

[jagabo]

What encoder are you using? What choices to you have?

[carlmart]

I'm using version 2.62.

No option on the left for setup includes GPU acceleration.

[davexnet]

I'm using version 2.62.

No option on the left for setup includes GPU acceleration.

Install the latest beta, version 5.12

[jagabo]

I'm using version 2.62.

No option on the left for setup includes GPU acceleration.

No, what ENCODER are you using? What encoders show up in the Video Codec pullldown?

Is your hardware description correct? Intel E6420 andGeForce 9600GT?

[carlmart]

I'm using version 2.62.

No option on the left for setup includes GPU acceleration.

No, what ENCODER are you using? What encoders show up in the Video Codec pullldown?

The only one that shows what I think might be an GPU encoder is h264 Intel QSV

Is your hardware description correct? Intel E6420 andGeForce 9600GT?

No, my present hardware is Intel i7-4790K and GeForce GTX1050

[jagabo]

There's no NVEnc encoder listed? The GTX1050 supports NVEnc so Handbrake should see it. You may need to install a driver directly from Nvidia -- the default drivers that Windows installs may not support everything the graphics card is capable of. Also try h.264 Intel QSV.

[carlmart]

I have Vidcoder 4.36 portable installed, and there are no NVEnc encoders listed either. I think only in 5.12, which is a beta version.

The graphic drivers I have installed are all from Nvidia. I do not use Intel graphics.

Next time I will try Intel QSV for H264.

[jagabo]

Keep in mind that the h.264 GPU encoders all deliver lower quality than x264 (per bitrate).

[carlmart]

Keep in mind that the h.264 GPU encoders all deliver lower quality than x264 (per bitrate).

Why is that? Of course I will not trade more speed for lower quality.

[jagabo]

Keep in mind that the h.264 GPU encoders all deliver lower quality than x264 (per bitrate).

Why is that?

Because they're optimized for speed, not quality. They don't use all the techniques that x264 is capable of.

Of course I will not trade more speed for lower quality.

You don't necessarily have to trade away quality. You can get lesser quality at the same bitrate, the same quality at a higher bitrate, or some compromise in-between. You should play around with it and decide for yourself.

[carlmart]

What I do not understand is why my conversion times are getting larger when the setup has been the same for a long time.

[jagabo]

If that true maybe your CPU is getting hotter (dust has accumulated in the CPU cooler, thermal paste is breaking down) and slowing down to prevent overheating. Check CPU temperatures and speeds.

[carlmart]

I will check into that on my next conversion.

But, as you can seem, my standard CPU temps are in the mid 30s, which I think is quite good.

That might not be the problem.

[jagabo]

Idle temps are expedted to be low.

And generally, when people complain about their encodings taking longer it's because they've started using slower encoder settings, more demanding filters, switched from SD to HD, or are encoding longer videos.