How to make SVCD look like LOTR's dvd rip?

[jonnywalker2]

I have tried making SVCD's with about 2000 or so bitrate using TMPGenc and 2 pass vbr and can get nothing to look remotely close to what the copy of LOTR that I have looks like. What program is everybody using for SVCD's to get something similiar to LOTR. Thanks for any replies.

Jonny

[cybermage26]

Use CCE. Faster and better quality than TMPG.. only problem is its not free.
CCE you can do as many passes as you want, I think LOTR was like 4 or 5 passes? ehh not sure, was ages ago.

[Cyrl]

well contrary to my signature's opinion of how to do things with LOTR I won't even bother trying to make VCD's or SVCD's out of it now. There are just some movies I want to be absolutely perfect when I view them and I'd imagine other people would feel that way too. I can't imagine watching LoTR without at least 5.1 surround preferably DTS... But if you must keep trying and can tolerate that little logo do as Cybermage26 suggested and get CCE and give it 4 to 6 passes... or Suffer for now until the movie is released on DVD and bite the bullet and buy it.

[poopyhead]

up the bitrate....higher bitrate usually better quality upto a certain point...

also, motion search accuracy to high quality (slow)

[Vejita-sama]

What's the source? I assume a DivX source that you want to convert to xSVCD. Truth is any DivX -> x(S)VCD converison will not look all that good. Normally will the x(S)VCD encode will look worst than the DivX source. I'd wait and rip the DVD.

[Mordant]

Just a heads up here, the info for LoTR rip states that it was done using TMPGEnc with 2 pass encode. If you want the same quality than do that, and set a bitrate average that will get you 44min on a 700meg CD, because that is what they did...which also means you will need 3 CDs for the average movie. I prefer using DVD2SVCD with CCE and keeping movies to a max of 2 discs.

[vhelp]

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I think that for some people's needs go, it's ok to make an SVCD from an
divX movie if they just want to see it played on their DVD player and
viewed on the TV set. I'm not sure if that's jonny's case, but. . .

jonnywalker2, first thing I would do is this, find out what the frame rate is of the LOTR movie you're talking about!!
Chances are, it's at 23/24 frames and NOT 29fps, but I could be wrong.
But ths may be the case, and therefore, is the reason why it's in such
good quality - per your eyes.

...and maybe somebody encoded correctly.

[jonnywalker2]

Actually, I am ripping from DVD's. I just want to know the best way to get the output to look as good as the rip of LOTR that I have seen. I AM NOT RE-ENCODING LOTR. Sorry for the confusion. I have tried 2 pass VBR with a 90 minute movie and it looked like crap. It was really jittery. I might just have to tweak a few settings and see if I can get the quality better.

Jonny

[mrbass]

honestly if you think the LOTR 4 SVCDs rip is of high quality I don't know what your comparing it to? VCDs perhaps? It's good and looks great but not nearly as good as CCE 4 pass VBR. To me it's easy to see the difference and I could tell right away it was encoded with TMPGEnc and not CCE. CCE 4 pass VBR with an average bitrate of 1600 looks better IMHO and that's fitting close to 60mins on 700MB cd-r.

[energy80s]

The LOTR DVD Screener is of very high quality. I have shown it to many people who work in the broadcasting industry and all have agreed that it is a damn sight better than Digital Satellite TV. Don't know why you are so against it.

[mrbass]

hope we're talking about the same release. I'm referring to the 4cd Jan 26th, 2002 release from (forgot name of group TGP or TCS I can't remember...starts with a T though). It's not as crisp and I can see tiny tiny pixels which I don't see with CCE. I'm not saying it's not great and oh believe me I ain't complaining. All I'm saying and trying to point out is that it's not as great as CCE 4 pass vbr that's all. No riot intended.

The subject says "How to make SVCD look like LOTR's dvd rip?".
My point to that is why stop there? Make it look better.

[ToolMaynard]

I agree with mrbass, ive seen some svcds that look even better than LOTR with a much lower bitrate, but we should consider that the source for LOTR was a dvd screener, not a retail, im sure that when that one finally appears we will see a far better quality svcd, just compare oceans11 dvdscr with retail.
As far as i know TMPG 2 Pass vbr is equal to CCE 4pass, but CCE has a better motion search precission encoding method, not a big difference in my opinion (or maybe my 7 years old TV is way too dated to see any difference).
jonnywalker2: Be sure to set TMPG to Highest quality on Motion search presicion, if you havent already, or just use DVD2SVCD with CCE if you have a capable enough machine (p3 or athlon with lots of ram), it really does all the job for yourself, see y, bye!

PS: I hope my english is understandable, spanish is my primary language 8)

[Flamer]

Use dvd2svcd.
get it on www.doom9.org


but getting CCE is the hard part.


ps just download the demo of cce and check out the quality i bet it is as good as lotr or better

[jonnywalker2]

thanks for all of your replies. I have *magically* come across a version of CCE and will give it a try tonight. Hopefully this will make the svcds that I have been trying to make all along. Thanks again.

[jonnywalker2]

Well, I have ripped 3 dvd's in the last three nights and they all look great. It takes a long time, but the quality is great. One thing though, the first movie I made played just fine with media player and with PowerDVD. The next two don't play on anything on my PC, but works just fine in the standalone dvd player. Any ideas on why this is?

Jonny