Copying 4k movies to 50 GB blanks using DVDFab-The copy stutters and jumps

[driven]

I know that it's an old thread but still.
I am pretty sure that stuttering and sound desynchronization, on a standalone player, after splitting a movie without reencoding pertains to bitrate, or rather to max bitrate.

Here are a couple of examples

I recently split and burned on a couple bd-r M:I 7 - Dead reckoning part 1, and everything's great, because movie is two and a half hours long, so there are no great spikes in bitrate

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Length: 1:31:15.803 (h:m.ms)
Size: 44,900,106,240 bytes
Total Bitrate: 65.60 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 53948 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 4000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 3969 kbps (6.85%) 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 4000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 3532 kbps 7.1+11 objects / 48 kHz / 3084 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 40.813 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 44.869 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 85.375 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00294.M2TS 0:00:00.000 1:31:15.803 44,900,106,240 65,597 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:07:23.776 52,634 kbps 86,811 kbps 0:02:07.085 64,865 kbps 0:06:17.710 60,752 kbps 0:06:22.090 274,414 bytes 1,920,468 bytes 0:02:06.084
2 0:07:23.776 0:08:24.545 51,953 kbps 90,510 kbps 0:14:34.039 62,214 kbps 0:12:38.090 58,734 kbps 0:14:43.132 270,862 bytes 1,362,007 bytes 0:10:25.458
3 0:15:48.322 0:12:15.234 51,928 kbps 88,648 kbps 0:27:37.697 64,852 kbps 0:21:06.556 60,849 kbps 0:17:47.775 270,731 bytes 1,549,158 bytes 0:27:36.821
4 0:28:03.556 0:04:32.730 55,002 kbps 95,212 kbps 0:32:04.380 69,880 kbps 0:28:41.803 65,768 kbps 0:28:46.808 286,803 bytes 1,466,970 bytes 0:29:52.749
5 0:32:36.287 0:13:00.321 54,216 kbps 94,745 kbps 0:38:45.489 68,974 kbps 0:38:45.489 61,800 kbps 0:38:48.117 282,647 bytes 1,536,486 bytes 0:32:55.598
6 0:45:36.608 0:10:20.661 53,291 kbps 91,147 kbps 0:52:11.753 65,893 kbps 0:47:48.031 61,769 kbps 0:48:28.280 277,855 bytes 1,324,105 bytes 0:49:20.666
7 0:55:57.270 0:12:55.399 55,870 kbps 92,312 kbps 1:07:12.778 76,324 kbps 1:05:48.736 66,969 kbps 1:05:48.527 291,266 bytes 1,756,709 bytes 1:07:11.819
8 1:08:52.670 0:08:50.154 53,592 kbps 86,259 kbps 1:09:49.935 67,289 kbps 1:09:53.355 62,181 kbps 1:09:58.485 279,404 bytes 1,873,175 bytes 1:14:44.521
9 1:17:42.824 0:13:32.978 56,012 kbps 95,680 kbps 1:21:07.195 66,835 kbps 1:22:05.545 62,617 kbps 1:18:13.563 292,038 bytes 1,937,195 bytes 1:27:19.901

but when I try to do the same with new dysney movie Wish, for example, or The ring 2002, the result is stuttering and intermittent sound, and when we look at bdInfo we see max spikes over 100mbps

Wish

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00800.MPLS
Length: 1:35:02.571 (h:m.ms)
Size: 38,729,945,088 bytes
Total Bitrate: 54.33 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 41567 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 5595 kbps 7.1+13 objects / 48 kHz / 4955 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 320 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 320 kbps
Dolby Digital Plus Audio French 1024 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 1024 kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps))
Dolby Digital Plus Audio Spanish 1024 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 1024 kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps))
Dolby Digital Plus Audio Japanese 1024 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 1024 kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 576 kbps))

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 66.481 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 50.577 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 46.592 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 32.405 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0.749 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00294.M2TS 0:00:00.000 0:00:51.050 515,635,200 80,803 kbps
00672.M2TS 0:00:51.050 0:01:34.219 520,151,040 44,165 kbps
00676.M2TS 0:02:25.270 1:23:57.699 36,388,429,824 57,785 kbps
00677.M2TS 1:26:22.969 0:00:24.232 103,888,896 34,297 kbps
00681.M2TS 1:26:47.201 0:02:27.480 286,513,152 15,541 kbps
00682.M2TS 1:29:14.682 0:00:25.191 45,262,848 14,373 kbps
00686.M2TS 1:29:39.874 0:04:31.437 573,935,616 16,915 kbps
00687.M2TS 1:34:11.312 0:00:51.259 296,128,512 46,216 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:06:31.265 8,830 kbps 112,804 kbps 0:00:08.383 96,443 kbps 0:00:09.634 90,568 kbps 0:00:26.860 352,857 bytes 1,425,170 bytes 0:00:18.101
2 0:06:31.265 0:03:08.313 55,748 kbps 117,010 kbps 0:08:19.332 97,290 kbps 0:08:05.401 93,683 kbps 0:08:10.364 290,710 bytes 1,211,589 bytes 0:07:40.626
3 0:09:39.578 0:04:42.031 44,236 kbps 134,607 kbps 0:09:44.583 101,825 kbps 0:09:46.836 91,228 kbps 0:09:51.882 230,558 bytes 1,327,705 bytes 0:10:14.238
4 0:14:21.610 0:06:46.030 45,288 kbps 109,458 kbps 0:15:07.573 96,263 kbps 0:15:10.701 85,866 kbps 0:18:37.574 236,114 bytes 1,148,330 bytes 0:15:42.900
5 0:21:07.641 0:02:11.714 52,635 kbps 108,821 kbps 0:22:18.795 84,076 kbps 0:22:13.123 80,692 kbps 0:22:13.790 274,419 bytes 1,053,317 bytes 0:22:18.879
6 0:23:19.356 0:06:33.267 38,665 kbps 96,753 kbps 0:25:23.688 84,403 kbps 0:25:40.413 68,795 kbps 0:25:23.813 201,625 bytes 1,197,801 bytes 0:23:54.432
7 0:29:52.624 0:07:29.490 50,509 kbps 119,964 kbps 0:31:57.915 101,796 kbps 0:31:58.666 92,421 kbps 0:32:03.713 263,310 bytes 1,225,211 bytes 0:33:32.343
8 0:37:22.114 0:01:47.732 63,980 kbps 123,260 kbps 0:38:10.413 93,026 kbps 0:39:07.636 91,000 kbps 0:38:56.375 333,692 bytes 1,370,863 bytes 0:38:09.620
9 0:39:09.847 0:06:22.799 43,111 kbps 117,557 kbps 0:39:54.016 96,358 kbps 0:43:20.264 82,580 kbps 0:39:34.622 224,762 bytes 1,319,244 bytes 0:39:53.891
10 0:45:32.646 0:04:26.599 45,325 kbps 103,855 kbps 0:46:17.774 92,799 kbps 0:46:19.985 84,108 kbps 0:46:25.157 236,306 bytes 1,288,988 bytes 0:46:18.650
11 0:49:59.246 0:03:33.296 42,423 kbps 111,122 kbps 0:50:39.661 78,422 kbps 0:52:40.949 72,278 kbps 0:52:45.161 221,091 bytes 1,153,572 bytes 0:50:54.801
12 0:53:32.542 0:04:49.706 52,341 kbps 131,244 kbps 0:57:14.264 90,057 kbps 0:54:23.051 82,844 kbps 0:57:14.931 272,963 bytes 1,161,536 bytes 0:56:33.598
13 0:58:22.248 0:02:11.589 37,437 kbps 86,567 kbps 1:00:23.786 72,367 kbps 1:00:17.488 68,162 kbps 1:00:21.075 195,120 bytes 962,757 bytes 1:00:23.453
14 1:00:33.838 0:03:12.567 37,278 kbps 87,388 kbps 1:03:27.386 71,561 kbps 1:03:27.511 66,905 kbps 1:03:33.392 194,397 bytes 1,055,621 bytes 1:02:35.168
15 1:03:46.405 0:05:00.717 32,512 kbps 110,272 kbps 1:07:08.983 70,843 kbps 1:07:19.076 66,799 kbps 1:07:17.992 169,507 bytes 1,046,523 bytes 1:05:21.292
16 1:08:47.122 0:02:56.593 47,835 kbps 124,732 kbps 1:10:30.392 92,566 kbps 1:10:32.436 83,084 kbps 1:10:52.164 249,391 bytes 1,093,732 bytes 1:10:43.364
17 1:11:43.716 0:03:13.318 40,927 kbps 108,498 kbps 1:14:42.144 86,595 kbps 1:14:43.604 70,112 kbps 1:14:45.606 213,284 bytes 1,164,176 bytes 1:14:09.361
18 1:14:57.034 0:08:49.779 45,104 kbps 131,674 kbps 1:15:22.935 93,651 kbps 1:15:26.563 87,865 kbps 1:17:20.802 235,153 bytes 1,209,837 bytes 1:17:50.415
19 1:23:46.813 0:03:01.806 49,856 kbps 115,319 kbps 1:25:46.224 84,158 kbps 1:25:47.976 74,666 kbps 1:25:53.606 260,050 bytes 1,150,407 bytes 1:25:45.306
20 1:26:48.620 0:08:13.951 1,231 kbps 12,220 kbps 1:26:54.500 8,306 kbps 1:26:57.045 6,234 kbps 1:27:01.841 21,500 bytes 270,169 bytes 1:29:04.547

The ring

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Length: 1:00:10.273 (h:m.ms)
Size: 43,857,082,368 bytes
Total Bitrate: 97.18 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 84475 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 4490 kbps (5.05%) 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3813 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3813 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 28.643 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00000.M2TS 0:00:00.000 1:00:10.273 43,857,082,368 97,182 kbps

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:07:31.993 83,666 kbps 105,571 kbps 0:00:34.325 82,659 kbps 0:06:08.743 80,783 kbps 0:01:09.027 436,320 bytes 1,170,976 bytes 0:00:33.616
2 0:07:31.993 0:09:36.033 85,483 kbps 98,409 kbps 0:10:37.720 81,103 kbps 0:08:42.688 78,755 kbps 0:10:13.696 445,669 bytes 1,023,499 bytes 0:08:20.958
3 0:17:08.027 0:06:50.827 85,358 kbps 98,481 kbps 0:23:19.815 82,010 kbps 0:23:34.371 79,220 kbps 0:23:55.225 445,021 bytes 971,348 bytes 0:18:10.547
4 0:23:58.854 0:09:16.597 82,272 kbps 99,568 kbps 0:26:53.945 81,879 kbps 0:26:56.906 79,078 kbps 0:26:47.897 428,930 bytes 1,117,562 bytes 0:27:34.986
5 0:33:15.451 0:08:21.876 85,170 kbps 102,165 kbps 0:39:32.703 82,528 kbps 0:34:22.769 79,589 kbps 0:33:31.926 444,037 bytes 1,158,285 bytes 0:39:32.661
6 0:41:37.328 0:09:31.821 84,993 kbps 118,602 kbps 0:49:51.071 85,886 kbps 0:48:59.770 79,957 kbps 0:43:08.961 443,114 bytes 1,422,352 bytes 0:48:58.143
7 0:51:09.149 0:09:01.123 84,472 kbps 106,857 kbps 0:57:34.701 83,705 kbps 0:57:37.954 80,216 kbps 0:57:42.208 440,331 bytes 1,095,294 bytes 0:57:46.880

So here's the question: Is it possible to cap these max spikes, without damaging the quality to much, preferably so that average bitrare would stay pretty much the same?

[cibo]

You cannot just take a 4K encode and slap it on a BD50. TOTAL bitrate on BD50 is limited to 64 Mbps or eventually 81.7 Mbps if you are "lucky", while BD66 and BD100 can go up to 109 Mbps and even 127.9 Mbps.

There's just no feasible solution to your problem. It is like trying to take a BD25/50 movie to a set of AVCHD BD5/9 discs: it will never work, period. Your only way out is to re-encode it to the BD50 bitrate, using the same VBV parameters but encode with HEVC.

I don't even understand why you would want to split a 4K disc you own into numerous burned BD50. Sounds more like piracy.

[driven]

So why are there such programs as dvdfab, and many others if it's piracy?

[netmask56]

Abandon discs - too many variables and problems. I simply transfer my DVD,BD and UHD discs to my NAS and play them via my Zidoo media player or using PLEX I can access them anywhere.

[cibo]

So why are there such programs as dvdfab, and many others if it's piracy?

We're talking about producing duplicate copies of commercial discs. Not playing them back or something else alike. Anyway DVDFab or not, your bitrate problem is intractable with BD50.

[driven]

If its so intractable than why some discs, as I said M:i 7 for example оr LOTR Fellowship and probably other two are perfectly playable on bd-r on a standalone blu ray player? So it's not structure and it's not burning process or whatever, it's definitely the bitrate problem, and it's definitely solvable, I just need a little help to figure it out, how remove high bitrate jumps while keeping average close to the original, maybe constant bitrate is the answer?

[cibo]

It all comes down to the bitrate of the encode on the [BD66, BD100] disc. Some have a sufficiently low one that it may work on a BD50, others won't.

CBR sucks, don't use it for physical media. You must re-encode the footage, there's no other way.

[driven]

I know, the question is in what program and what codec, I mean is handbrake really the best choice? Maybe dvdfab would be better or something else like fastflix or shutter or whatever?

[4kblurayguru]

If it's your own video, encode to webm. There is no legitimate consumer program to do 4k disc.

[Anonymous84]

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[Moody_Blues]

Most likely you guys have issues with the layer break at 25GB with 50GB discs. Verbatims 50GB are not good any more, Riteks still work if you burn with Imgburn and spare areas.

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/the-long-lost-feature-or-how-to-get-better-burn-result...r-dl-tl.86133/

[cibo]

It's not piracy as long it's not shared anywhere else. One is allowed to make a copy for personal use of purchased disc in many countries.

I absolutely agree, but we are talking about burning back to disc, which is a low quality process with a low lifespan yield, unlike pressed discs.

I know, the question is in what program and what codec, I mean is handbrake really the best choice? Maybe dvdfab would be better or something else like fastflix or shutter or whatever?

Most programs are just user interfaces over x264 or x265. Just use one that lets you set the proper options in the encoding windows. Handbrake lets you specify additional parameters for x264 and x265 like vbv-bufsize and vbv-maxrate, which are mandatory for BD video encoding. You are always better served with direct command line anyway.

[driven]

yes, thanks, but what parameters should I choose for bufsize if I don't want maxrate to spike above say 60-65 mbps?

[cibo]

Stick to AVC recommended values, even for HEVC: vbv-maxrate=40000,vbv-bufsize=30000. For the rest of the parameters, it will depend of your target codec. AVC has excellent documentation for BD, HEVC does not, so you may have to ask on doom9.