Hi guys,
I'm trying to understand why a video file is not working on my tv integrated player (via usb).
So I compared two files (one of them is working and the other doesn't) with mediainfo and they're exactly the same except for the version of x264core used to do the encode.
Do you have any info to help?
I'm a total noob regarding this topic.
Also, these files are tv shows so I don't know if it's ok to post the filenames.
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So all the x264 settings in the Encoding Settings were the same? For example:
Code:Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / fade_compensate=0.00 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / stitchable=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=50 / keyint_min=5 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=30000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
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Yes, they were the same even those weird settings you just showed.
I forgot that it was possible to post code so here it is :
First file, not working :
Code:General Unique ID : Complete name : Format : Matroska Format version : Version 4 File size : 775 MiB Duration : 42 min 16 s Overall bit rate : 2 562 kb/s Encoded date : UTC 2019-04-18 12:30:47 Writing application : mkvmerge v8.8.0 ('Wind at my back') 64bit Writing library : libebml v1.3.3 + libmatroska v1.4.4 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, RefFrames : 5 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 42 min 16 s Bit rate : 2 177 kb/s Width : 1 280 pixels Height : 716 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.099 Stream size : 658 MiB (85%) Writing library : x264 core 157 r2969 d4099dd Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=22 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Default : Yes Forced : No Color range : Limited Matrix coefficients : BT.709 Audio ID : 2 Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 42 min 16 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 384 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF) Bit depth : 16 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 116 MiB (15%) Service kind : Complete Main Default : Yes Forced : No
Second file, working :
Code:General Unique ID : Complete name : Format : Matroska Format version : Version 4 File size : 845 MiB Duration : 42 min 53 s Overall bit rate : 2 753 kb/s Encoded date : UTC 2019-03-28 02:06:57 Writing application : mkvmerge v8.8.0 ('Wind at my back') 64bit Writing library : libebml v1.3.3 + libmatroska v1.4.4 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, RefFrames : 5 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 42 min 53 s Bit rate : 2 368 kb/s Width : 1 280 pixels Height : 716 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.108 Stream size : 726 MiB (86%) Writing library : x264 core 157 r2935 545de2f Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=22 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Default : Yes Forced : No Color range : Limited Matrix coefficients : BT.709 Audio ID : 2 Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 42 min 53 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 384 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF) Bit depth : 16 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 118 MiB (14%) Service kind : Complete Main Default : Yes Forced : No
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Yes, they look identical aside from insignificant bitrate and running time differences.
Older versions of MediaInfo don't show one MKV feature that caused problems with many playback devices: header compression. If your version is more than a few years old update it.
There are other muxer settings that don't show up in MediaInfo. Have you tried remuxing the files with MkvToonix to see if the new files play properly?
What exactly do you mean when you say "one of them is working and the other doesn't"? What happens with the one that doesn't work? Does it show up in the browser? Can you select it? Does it start playing and choke after a while? Is there any kind of error message?Last edited by jagabo; 18th Apr 2019 at 21:38.
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I'm using the latest version of MediaInfo.
How can I know the header compression of the files? I tried googling but I did not find anything about it.
The file appears in the browser but when I launch it, I get an error message : "The video data is not supported."
edit : Also, my TV is a Samsung UE40EH5000WLast edited by kuku; 18th Apr 2019 at 22:00.
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It shows up in the audio section of MediaInfo. I forget the exact term used. Header compression was made the default In MKVToolNix a few years ago. But it caused problems for so many people it was turned off.
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davexnet, I'm sure that it will work if I convert the file but that's not the point. I'm asking out of curiosity.
poisondeathray, the file is ok and plays fine. -
I have also an older Samsung tv around here, it is a ES7090 from 2012, upload files to google drive or whatever and send link as pm so I can test it here to verify.
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I was sleeping, since I live in bavaria. OK, I tried the files in the old TV and both files play fine. Try to format a USB device new and copy the files on it, maybe a corrupt device or filesystem.
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My external hard drive is working fine but still, I tried with a usb stick and same problem.
I checked your TV and indeed, it is from the same year as mine so if it works on yours then I really don't know what could be the issue.
I also checked for a firmware update but I already have the last available.
This is really weird. -
Is someone with the skill to really differentiate encodes willing to download the files and compare them?
I can give a little more info : I tested a dozen of releases and basically all the HDTV rips that are post easter (more or less precise) do not work on my TV.
The webrips and webdls are all still working fine.
Maybe scene rules has changed or maybe that version of x264 core does something that negates compatibility with certain TVs? -
I'll take a look PM me the link(s). It's possible there's a small anomaly in the header somewhere.
Did you attempt to create a new MKV using mkvtoolnix? It just re-wraps the existing assets -
As was pointed out, the version of x264 is different, I did a test encode using an old version and the same again
with this late version. I have no idea if this info is useful or not.
latest, r2969
Code:lavf [info]: 720x404p 1:1 @ 24000/1001 fps (vfr) x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1 x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX XOP FMA3 BMI1 x264 [info]: profile Progressive High, level 3.0, 4:2:0, 8-bit x264 [info]: frame I:108 Avg QP:13.88 size: 34988 x264 [info]: frame P:2487 Avg QP:18.30 size: 7808 x264 [info]: frame B:4765 Avg QP:22.32 size: 1651 x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 9.1% 9.3% 13.1% 68.5% x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 9.7% 71.3% 19.0% x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 1.3% 4.7% 1.6% P16..4: 32.7% 12.0% 9.1% 0.0% 0.0% skip:38.8% x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.1% 0.3% 0.1% B16..8: 32.9% 3.6% 1.2% direct: 1.8% skip:60.1% L0:53.5% L1:43.7% BI: 2.8% x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:64.6% inter:60.3% x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 60.3% 55.5% 36.7% inter: 10.8% 10.3% 1.6% x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 52% 24% 17% 7% x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 18% 20% 34% 4% 4% 3% 5% 5% 7% x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 28% 20% 19% 6% 5% 5% 6% 5% 6% x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 60% 24% 11% 6% x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:3.1% UV:1.8% x264 [info]: ref P L0: 60.2% 9.6% 18.6% 11.4% 0.1% x264 [info]: ref B L0: 87.4% 9.0% 3.6% x264 [info]: ref B L1: 95.9% 4.1% x264 [info]: kb/s:809.59 encoded 7360 frames, 124.78 fps, 809.61 kb/s
Code:ffms [info]: 720x404p 1:1 @ 24000/1001 fps (vfr) x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1 x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX XOP FMA4 FMA3 SSEMisalign LZCNT BMI1 x264 [info]: profile High, level 3.0 x264 [info]: frame I:108 Avg QP:14.10 size: 34702 x264 [info]: frame P:4098 Avg QP:18.82 size: 5930 x264 [info]: frame B:3154 Avg QP:22.60 size: 1076 x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 33.1% 26.0% 9.9% 31.0% x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 13.0% 68.0% 18.9% x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 1.4% 2.9% 1.1% P16..4: 30.5% 10.0% 7.2% 0.0% 0.0% skip:46.9% x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.1% 0.1% 0.0% B16..8: 30.1% 2.3% 0.7% direct: 1.2% skip:65.5% L0:53.4% L1:44.4% BI: 2.2% x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:58.0% inter:59.7% x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 58.4% 54.1% 33.9% inter: 10.8% 10.4% 1.6% x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 58% 21% 16% 5% x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 15% 19% 36% 5% 4% 4% 5% 5% 8% x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 27% 19% 20% 6% 5% 5% 6% 6% 6% x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 60% 23% 11% 5% x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.1% UV:1.1% x264 [info]: ref P L0: 65.6% 10.1% 14.3% 10.0% 0.1% x264 [info]: ref B L0: 89.5% 9.0% 1.5% x264 [info]: ref B L1: 95.6% 4.4% x264 [info]: kb/s:819.39 encoded 7360 frames, 125.21 fps, 819.41 kb/s
Here's the test encode from the new version -
Ok we're getting somewhere... I think.
That file r2969 does not work on my TV.
Can you send the other one please? -
as aside note: if you encode for a specific hardware you should set profile, level and vbv restrictions, otherwise the reported level&profile are just guesses which might not really reflect the playback requirements.
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I'm wondering if you guys really understood my problem since I may not be clear enough because English is not my native tongue.
I think I explained it better to davexnet in PM (he's been really helpful, thanks again by the way) so here's what I told him :
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You're saying "bad file" but the file is not bad. There's nothing wrong with it, it just won't play on my TV integrated player.
And I told you, I noticed the same behavior for all HDTV rips that are post easter (more or less).
All the HDTV rips from before easter work fine.
For example, bla.bla.bla.bla.S12E19.720p.HDTV.x264-LucidTV does not work (it's from 2 days ago).
bla.bla.bla.bla.S12E18.720p.HDTV.x264-LucidTV does not work either (from 17 days ago)
But bla.bla.bla.bla.720p.HDTV.x264-AVS works fine (from 45 days ago)
And I tested that with a lot of releases and it's always the same problem : the latest release are not working but the releases from a month ago and before work fine.
That's why I found this so crazy especially since the files seems to have exactly the same parameters of encode except for the version of x264 core that is used to do the encode.
"Last edited by kuku; 22nd Apr 2019 at 12:17.
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a vbv checker tool might show whether the newer stream violates the vbv restrictions indicates by the level&profile combination
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Holy crap, the file encoded with x264 r2334 works!
So as we suspected, the problem is related to the version of x264 core used to do the encodes.
Selur, I did not get one word in your two posts
Kind of a noob regarding encoding.Last edited by kuku; 22nd Apr 2019 at 15:07.
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I have the exact same problem. My Samsung TV (le32b650) can't play files encoded with encoder x264 r2969. I have compared releases and that's the only difference
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I wonder if this is the cause.
Signal Progressive and Constrained profiles
Progressive High, Constrained High, and Progressive High 10.
Even in Main profile, constraint_set4_flag is now set to 1 if progressive,
and constraint_set5_flag is set to 1 if no B-slices are present.Last edited by sneaker; 1st May 2019 at 09:27.
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