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    Hi,

    I am a newbie and new to this site, so please forgive my ignorance. I just scanned with a Wolverine MovieMaker Pro some old super 8mm films. They were taken at 18fps. I would like to telecine to 30fps for burning a DVD. I understand that Mencoder can do that job but I need some help in setting up the command line.

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    I went through that manual page and at the bottom it gives some examples but not for what I want to do. I would like to get a recipe, likely from someone who has done this kind of work.

    Thanks.
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  3. You can't telecine directly to 29.97fps from 18fps. You can only telecine to a max 150% of the original framerate (27fps in your case). You have to bring the framerate up to a minimum of 19.98fps before applying a telecine. That can be done in a number of ways. Retail DVDs usually create duplicate frames. You can speed it up to 19.98fps. You can interpolate up to 19.98fps.

    I would like to get a recipe, likely from someone who has done this kind of work.
    I have, many times. All this is easy enough when using AviSynth. I have no idea about mencoder.
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    So can I telecine first to 19.98fps and then to 29.97fps?
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  5. Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    So can I telecine first to 19.98fps and then to 29.97fps?
    No. You have to first get it to progressive 19.98fps. You could do that with duplicate frames as the media companies do with silent films, but I wouldn't. I usually interpolate up to 19.98fps (roughly 2 additional frames per second) before then applying telecine. I don't use mencoder and don't believe you can do the telecining in it as it's not the standard 3:2 pulldown. It's 3:3 pulldown. You'd need DGPulldown to do that, available only for Windows and Mac machines (I believe, but don't hold me to that). If you're in Linux, you don't have access to all the video tools available for PC users on Windows.
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    I do have a windows machines (w10) - so I will download DGPulldown. Can you please tell me the procedure to achieve what I need?

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  7. Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    Can you please tell me the procedure to achieve what I need?
    No. I use AviSynth. Do you? I outlined three different processes and there are more. Which do you want to use? The simplest (but not the best) is to create duplicate frames to bring it up to 19.98fps before being encoded with the telecine applied afterwards to make a DVD-compliant M2V file.

    You might be able to use AvsToDVD on it to make the DVD without having to learn anything new. I expect it'll add duplicate frames to bring it up to 23.976fps, but I'm not sure as I don't use the program. Maybe someone more familiar with AvsToDVD will chime in. I'd recommend you try AvsToDVD first and see if you like the results.
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    Yes AVStoDVD gives you a choice of insert/drop (Changefps), blend (Convertfps) and motion compensation/interpolation (MCJMFPS)
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    I just installed AvsToDVD, so how do I go about my project?
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    Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    I just installed AvsToDVD, so how do I go about my project?
    start it up and open the preferences. On the Avisynth tab you'll see "hard frame rate conversion"
    set to your choice as described above. On the video tab choose NTSC as the video standard - it's all
    pretty much self explanatory. Save current preferences as default and OK out.

    Drag your source into the window. Hit the little down arrow to the right of the Output button
    and you can choose your output type. Do not choose muxed mpeg file unless your source has audio.
    Hit start. The output and the project log will be in the "DVD Output" folder as per the preferences
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    You gave me an excellent guide. I see a DVD structure done but I'm puzzled because the VTS_01_1.VOB has about the same size as the mp4 file at 18fps, shouldn't be bigger based on having interpolated frames?

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  12. Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    ...shouldn't be bigger based on having interpolated frames?
    No. Output file size has no relation at all to the input file size. It's entirely dependent on the bitrate assigned to it. If the bitrates of the two are similar (and thus similar sizes), it's purely coincidence unless there's a way to make the two the same within the program. As I mentioned earlier, I don't use AvsToDVD.

    So, did it do what you wanted?
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    OK - So this DVD structure is ready to be burned to a DVD, right?

    You saved my life!
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  14. Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    OK - So this DVD structure is ready to be burned to a DVD, right?

    You saved my life!
    If it's inside of a VIDEO_TS folder, yes. You burn using ImgBurn and nothing else.

    Make sure you test it out first. Not the VOB file but the DVD. And it was davexnet that provided the guide you needed that put you over the top for this project. Good going!
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    Originally Posted by danielsender View Post
    OK - So this DVD structure is ready to be burned to a DVD, right?

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    It should be - just check the log, make sure it finished OK. Thanks manono
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    Trying to do the same thing using AVStoDVD and get the dreaded "Warning! Title 1 output Video duration (00:00:00) is shorter than expected duration (00:01:23)." I do not have sound, and I'm wondering if this could be the issue.

    My log is below:

    <6/18/2019 10:11:39 PM>
    START PROCESS
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:11:39 PM>
    PROJECT SETTINGS

    DVD Video Standard: NTSC
    DVD Titles number: 1
    DVD Size: 85/4450 MB (2%)
    DVD Output Setup: DVD Folder
    DVD Label: DVD
    DVD Menu: No Menu
    Output Folder: C:\Users\thegi\Videos
    Delete Temp Assets Files: Yes
    Delete Temp Working Files: Yes
    Edit Command Parameters: Yes
    Post Process Task: Show Progress Status window

    PREFERENCES

    MultiThread: 1
    AVS Video Source Filter: A2DSource
    AVS Audio Source Filter: A2DSource
    AVS UpSize/DownSize Filter: Lanczos4Resize/Spline16Resize
    Frame Adjust Strategy: 0
    FPS Hard Conversion: 2
    PAL SpeedUp: 0
    NTSC SlowDown: 0
    Video Resolution: 0
    Video Encoder: 0
    Video BitRate Min: 2500
    Video BitRate Max: 8500
    Keep DVD Compliant Video: 1
    AC3 Audio Encoder: 0
    Force FFmpeg for Long Audio: 0
    DVD Audio Format: 0
    DVD Audio BitRate: 192
    Keep DVD Compliant Audio: 0
    Normalize Audio: 0
    Auto Delay Audio: 1
    DVD Audio Language (Primary): EN - English
    DVD Audio Language (Secondary): EN - English
    DVD Subs Language (Primary): EN - English
    DVD Subs Language (Secondary): EN - English
    DVD Subs Font: Tahoma 16pt (240,240,240)
    Chapters Interval: 5
    Use Source Chapters: 1
    DVD Burning Drive: E: HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU90N A1C1
    DVD Burning Speed: 4x
    Auto Erase DVD RW: 1
    Unload ActiveMovie Library: 1
    Adjust DirectShow Filters at runtime: 1
    Save General Settings: 0

    SYSTEM INFO

    Processor Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700 CPU @ 3.60GHz
    Operating System: Windows 10 (10.0.17134) 64 bit
    User has Admin Rights: YES
    Running with Elevated Privileges: NO (3)
    Available Output Disc Space: 739 GB
    AviSynth is installed: YES (release 2.6.0)
    LAV Filters is installed: YES (release 0.73.1)
    ffdshow is installed: NO

    CODECS REPORT

    H.264/AVC: Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder
    Xvid: Mpeg4s Decoder DMO
    DivX 4/5/6: Mpeg4s Decoder DMO
    Other MPG4: Mpeg4s Decoder DMO
    DV: DV Video Decoder
    MPEG1: MPEG Video Codec
    MPEG2: Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder
    AAC: Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder
    MP3: MP3 Decoder DMO
    MP2: Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder
    AC3: No Preferred Filter set
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    <6/18/2019 10:11:39 PM>
    TITLE 1 SOURCE FILES
    Video: C:\Users\thegi\Desktop\8mm\julie\sound\0035.MP4
    Info: AVC - 9827 kbps - 1440x1080 - DAR 4:3 - 20 fps (CFR) - Progressive - 1:23 minutes - 1665 frames
    [MediaInfoLib - v18.03.1]
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:11:39 PM>
    AVISYNTH SCRIPT

    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:11:39 PM>
    DIRECTSHOW AUDIO MIXER OPERATIONS:
    No LAV Filters mixer ON/OFF adjustment required at runtime
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:12:01 PM>
    TITLE 1 AVISYNTH FRAMESERVING CHECK
    Error! Title 1 cannot be frameserved by AviSynth.
    Warning message skipped.
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:12:05 PM>
    START VIDEO ENCODING OPERATIONS
    Video Encoding Profile: FFmpeg CBR 1-pass
    Target Video FileSize: 84.1 MB
    Encoding Parameters: -i "C:\Users\thegi\AppData\Local\Temp\DVD_4_0035_1.av s" -threads 8 -aspect 4:3 -c:v mpeg2video -b:v 8500k -minrate 8500k -maxrate 8500k -bufsize 2000k -dc 10 -y "C:\Users\thegi\Videos\DVD_4_0035.m2v"
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:12:14 PM>
    Process aborted during Title 1 VIDEO encoding operations.

    Error Message: Warning! Title 1 output Video duration (00:00:00) is shorter than expected duration (00:01:23).

    For Video issues troubleshooting see Help/FAQ/Video section.
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:12:14 PM>
    Warning! AVStoDVD Project ended with errors.
    <>

    <6/18/2019 10:12:14 PM>
    Log file created by AVStoDVD Release 2.8.8
    <>
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    Got it to work, no reply needed. Had to change the title edit to uncheck Auto Video setup and I changed the video encoder to use the HCEnc 2 pass. Also changed codecs to use LAV for AVC and "other mp4" (don't think I needed that, but did it anyway). Been a while since I been on here, nice to see its still going!
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