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  1. Hi All,

    I am building a HTPC, and I am having a boatload of trouble with the TV Tuners.

    System is:
    AsRock J4005-ITX motherboard (Gemini lake SoC with Celeron CPU)
    2 TV Tuners:
    A Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX (PCI-E) - Tried 2 of these, same result.
    AfaTech AF9035 USB
    Software:
    Windows 10 1809
    DV Scheduler 6.05
    ProgDVB x64 Latest
    BlackGold Drivers for the Pinnacle, copied drivers from my Win 7 box for AfaTech
    I have previously set-up a Pinnacle device on a Windows 10 box, but that was an earlier version of Windows 10. The supplied (by Win10) drivers kept crashing the PC, but the BlackGold drivers fixed the issue, and allowed us to scan for, and pickup, TV channels.

    With this system, I can scan channels, and get both level and quality values in both ProgDVB and DV Scheduler that are the same as my Win7 box, but no TV channels are found.

    Windows is fully up to date, and apart from drivers for the motherboard, the only other software installed was DV Scheduler, Java, and VLC. When DV Scheduler failed to find channels, I then tried ProgDVB.

    Can anyone shed some light on why this might be happening, and any possible solutions?
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    Pinnacle's newest official drivers for the Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX are intended for XP and Vista, which means it was probably released no later than 2007, 12 years ago. It's no surprise that Windows 10 support is not great.

    If you only need it for its digital tuners, there are undoubtedly PC TV tuner devices with better DVB-T tuners available now.
    These are two examples:
    http://www.hauppauge.fr/site/products/data_quadhd.html
    https://shopeu.silicondust.com/shop/product/hdhomerun-connect-quatro-p-n-hdhr5-4dteu/

    I'm guessing that you are located somewhere in Europe, but these tuners are also sold in the UK.
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  3. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Pinnacle's newest official drivers for the Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX are intended for XP and Vista, which means it was probably released no later than 2007, 12 years ago. It's no surprise that Windows 10 support is not great.
    It's true the Pinnacle drivers don't do the job, but as mentioned, I have had these cards work under Windows 10 with the BlackGold drivers.

    If you only need it for its digital tuners, there are undoubtedly PC TV tuner devices with better DVB-T tuners available now.
    There may well be better cards, but these cards are around the traps for less than $20, and work fine as a digital tuner. I have 3 in my HTPC, and they work flawlessly.

    I'm guessing that you are located somewhere in Europe, but these tuners are also sold in the UK.
    I'm in Australia.

    I plan to try re-installing an older version of Windows 10 to see if that makes a difference.

    I'm hoping it's not something within the hardware used on the motherboard ...
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    Originally Posted by Dencorub View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Pinnacle's newest official drivers for the Pinnacle PCTV 3010iX are intended for XP and Vista, which means it was probably released no later than 2007, 12 years ago. It's no surprise that Windows 10 support is not great.
    It's true the Pinnacle drivers don't do the job, but as mentioned, I have had these cards work under Windows 10 with the BlackGold drivers.

    If you only need it for its digital tuners, there are undoubtedly PC TV tuner devices with better DVB-T tuners available now.
    There may well be better cards, but these cards are around the traps for less than $20, and work fine as a digital tuner. I have 3 in my HTPC, and they work flawlessly.

    I'm guessing that you are located somewhere in Europe, but these tuners are also sold in the UK.
    I'm in Australia.

    I plan to try re-installing an older version of Windows 10 to see if that makes a difference.

    I'm hoping it's not something within the hardware used on the motherboard ...
    I understand that you are looking to make your old, inexpensive tuners work but if you have to be concerned about the possibility that the next Windows 10 update will break compatibility again, then maybe the savings isn't worth the trouble.

    HDhomerun also sells products for Australia: https://www.silicondust.com/product/hdhomerun-quatro/ There is a dual tuner model that costs less. https://www.silicondust.com/product/hdhomerun-duo/

    I own a different HDHomerun tuner which I have been using for the past 4 years. All the current HDhomerun tuners can either be attached to a home network, which allows them to be visible to computers/smartphones/tablets (running Android, Windows 7/8.1/10, Linux, iOS or OS X) on the network, or to the computer's Ethernet port, in which case the device is visible to only that computer. The AsRock J4005-ITX has only one expansion slot. Someday you might have another use for that slot.
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  5. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    I understand that you are looking to make your old, inexpensive tuners work but if you have to be concerned about the possibility that the next Windows 10 update will break compatibility again, then maybe the savings isn't worth the trouble.
    Maybe, but buying new hardware is no guarantee that it will work with future updates to Windows either.

    The AsRock J4005-ITX has only one expansion slot. Someday you might have another use for that slot.
    Yes, but building a system to meet some new use sometime in the future is a bit silly. This board does precisely what I want of it, and significantly cheaper than other options available.

    Anyway, to finish off this thread, and for the benefit of others with a card based on the Philips/NXP SAA7162 chip set, I have managed to get the card working a treat. After more research, I found drivers for the DigitalNow DNTV Live! Dual Hybrid PCIe S2 and S3 (of which I already had 2 of in other PC's) have a driver that works.

    It can be downloaded at http://www.digitalnow.com.au/DNTV/DualHybridPCIe15761623drivers.zip

    I can now rest, at least until the next update to Windows ...
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    Originally Posted by Dencorub View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    I understand that you are looking to make your old, inexpensive tuners work but if you have to be concerned about the possibility that the next Windows 10 update will break compatibility again, then maybe the savings isn't worth the trouble.
    Maybe, but buying new hardware is no guarantee that it will work with future updates to Windows either.
    If a product has reached end-of-life, in most cases there won't be new drivers issued to fix the problem. Newer products are more likely to be fixed.

    Originally Posted by Dencorub View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    The AsRock J4005-ITX has only one expansion slot. Someday you might have another use for that slot.
    Yes, but building a system to meet some new use sometime in the future is a bit silly. This board does precisely what I want of it, and significantly cheaper than other options available.
    Adding a low-power graphics card to an HTPC is a very common upgrade, and you might have a need for one if you ever get a UHD TV. A Gemini Lake processor's Intel UHD graphics 605 support 4K output but doesn't support HDR of any kind and Intel has announced that there are no plans to add HDR support at a later date. I know this because I recently looked at the AsRock J5005-ITX as an HTPC solution.
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    Well, Hauppauge WinTV-quadHD are really good, never ever had a problem with them in years, including latest Win10.

    http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_quadhd.html

    Kogan in Aus stocks them. US and DE manufacturer websites can be visited.

    You get what you pay for

    Also used 7164 twin-tuners and they work OK; preferred the quadHD tuner since 4x tuners onboard only takes up 1 pcie slot ... unless you have two of them of course

    Dencorub ? Goodness me, don't let that person touch your sensitive bits https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1615168
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  8. Originally Posted by hydra3333 View Post
    Well, Hauppauge WinTV-quadHD are really good, never ever had a problem with them in years,
    For $170, one would expect them to be really good!

    You get what you pay for
    You certainly do. That's why, until this incident, I was very pleased with my $20 dual tuners. I certainly understand the idea of paying for top quality stuff, but 4x the price is just a tad too hard to swallow.

    Also used 7164 twin-tuners and they work OK; preferred the quadHD tuner since 4x tuners onboard only takes up 1 pcie slot ... unless you have two of them of course
    When I built my HTPC, I bought a board with 3 PCI-e x1 slots. It's been running with 3 of these cards happily for a couple of years. For the price of that quad, I got the motherboard, CPU, and 2 tuner cards to add to the one I already had.

    Buying new stuff because something doesn't seem to work any more is last on the check list, especially when you know these cards do, or at least did, work under Windows 10.
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