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  1. I have a 3D Blu-Ray disc that I'm trying to add Atmos sound to, because the studio only wanted to give it to us in the UHD version.

    Anyway, I extracted the Atmos sound track in both THD format using eac3to, and also in a MKA file using MKVtoolnix. I then tried to use TSMuxer (latest version) to add that track to the Blu Ray video and make a new ISO. The problem is that TSMuxer doesn't like the audio. With both formats it keeps telling me "Can't detect stream type" when I try to add the audio.

    Is there anything else I can do to get the Atmos audio onto the Blu Ray disc? I can easily do it as an MKV file output using MKVToolnix, but that is not what I'm looking for because I want to play the 3D Blu Ray on a disc player after.
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    You could try MKVCleaver to extract the audio. It extracts files in the format that they are. ie subtitle tracks come out as srt whilst mkvtoolnix outputs as MKS and need further conversion often.
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  3. Originally Posted by netmask56 View Post
    You could try MKVCleaver to extract the audio. It extracts files in the format that they are. ie subtitle tracks come out as srt whilst mkvtoolnix outputs as MKS and need further conversion often.
    Thanks for the suggestion. I tried that program to extract the Atmos and it gave me a file with a .truehd extension. I tried adding that in TSMuxer and got the same "can't detect stream type" error. Man, TSMuxer is one picky program.
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    I think TSMuxer is looking for a THD+ac3 track...The TrueHD with the base DolbyDigital embedded in it
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    Run MediaInfo on the .truehd track and post the results.
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  6. Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    I think TSMuxer is looking for a THD+ac3 track...The TrueHD with the base DolbyDigital embedded in it
    Any suggestion on how I can get something like that? I tried extracting both the TrueHD and AC3 tracks together using MKVCleaver, but it gave me two different files.
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    Run MediaInfo on the .truehd track and post the results.
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    Complete name : F:\Atmos.truehd
    Format : TrueHD
    File size : 3.25 GiB
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    FileExtension_Invalid : mlp thd vr

    Audio
    Format : TrueHD
    Format profile : TrueHD+Atmos / TrueHD
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Maximum bit rate : 5 742 kb/s
    Channel(s) : Object Based / 8 channels
    Channel positions : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : / 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
    Compression mode : Lossless
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  9. Note mkvmerge will separate TrueHD and AC3 core into separate tracks. So if possible go back to your source files which still have them in a single track.

    Should that no be possible anymore eac3to can encode an AC3 core:
    eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    (I don't know about tsMuxer's capabilities.)
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    Originally Posted by netmask56 View Post
    It mentions ProTools and a plugin for it. While that isn't domestic to Aussies, it IS internationally available.
    However, am pretty confident that, until IF and WHEN a FOSS application developer reverse-engineers it, Atmos creation will not be available to anyone for less than $$$. That's by design.

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    Scott that was exactly what I meant by my post and by domestic I meant free programs like TSMuxer etc etc. ProTools widely used in Oz BTW even at the Australian Film TV and Radio School, the Federal government funded media school, located at Fox studios Sydney
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    Originally Posted by smd9 View Post
    I have a 3D Blu-Ray disc that I'm trying to add Atmos sound to, because the studio only wanted to give it to us in the UHD version.

    Anyway, I extracted the Atmos sound track in both THD format using eac3to, and also in a MKA file using MKVtoolnix. I then tried to use TSMuxer (latest version) to add that track to the Blu Ray video and make a new ISO. The problem is that TSMuxer doesn't like the audio. With both formats it keeps telling me "Can't detect stream type" when I try to add the audio.

    Is there anything else I can do to get the Atmos audio onto the Blu Ray disc? I can easily do it as an MKV file output using MKVToolnix, but that is not what I'm looking for because I want to play the 3D Blu Ray on a disc player after.
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    Originally Posted by smd9 View Post
    Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    I think TSMuxer is looking for a THD+ac3 track...The TrueHD with the base DolbyDigital embedded in it
    Any suggestion on how I can get something like that? I tried extracting both the TrueHD and AC3 tracks together using MKVCleaver, but it gave me two different files.
    Is the UHD rip with the THD/Atmos track a full disc rip or an mkv?

    If it's an mkv the AC3 core has probably been stripped as previously mentioned. eac3to should be able to embed an AC3 core into the THD track and output as THD+AC3 like sneaker mentions below.

    EDIT: eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    I say should because sometimes I get errors that prevent it from doing so successfully...but I use useac3to for gui and I'm guessing I'm not setup properly or something.

    If it's a full disc rip I think you should be able to load the (correct) playlist in tsmuxer along with the 3D disc and just reorder and remux, keeping only the tracks you want.

    Originally Posted by sneaker View Post
    Note mkvmerge will separate TrueHD and AC3 core into separate tracks. So if possible go back to your source files which still have them in a single track.

    Should that no be possible anymore eac3to can encode an AC3 core:
    eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    (I don't know about tsMuxer's capabilities.)
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    I'm looking for something a little cheaper than $15,000. Plus it says it doesn't support 3D Blu Ray. Thanks anyway though.
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  16. Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    Originally Posted by smd9 View Post
    Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    I think TSMuxer is looking for a THD+ac3 track...The TrueHD with the base DolbyDigital embedded in it
    Any suggestion on how I can get something like that? I tried extracting both the TrueHD and AC3 tracks together using MKVCleaver, but it gave me two different files.
    Is the UHD rip with the THD/Atmos track a full disc rip or an mkv?

    If it's an mkv the AC3 core has probably been stripped as previously mentioned. eac3to should be able to embed an AC3 core into the THD track and output as THD+AC3 like sneaker mentions below.

    EDIT: eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    I say should because sometimes I get errors that prevent it from doing so successfully...but I use useac3to for gui and I'm guessing I'm not setup properly or something.

    If it's a full disc rip I think you should be able to load the (correct) playlist in tsmuxer along with the 3D disc and just reorder and remux, keeping only the tracks you want.

    Originally Posted by sneaker View Post
    Note mkvmerge will separate TrueHD and AC3 core into separate tracks. So if possible go back to your source files which still have them in a single track.

    Should that no be possible anymore eac3to can encode an AC3 core:
    eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    (I don't know about tsMuxer's capabilities.)
    I have both full disc and MP3. TSMuxer doesn't support UHD discs it seems. I can add the full disc playlist file and select the audio track that has the AC3 core + TrueHD audio, but it gives me a "Can't parse playlist file" error when I try to mux into a Blu-Ray ISO.

    I tried encoding an AC3 core into the TrueHD track using eac3to like you suggested, but the following is what happened:

    >eac3to.exe "f:\Atmos.truehd" "F:\AtmosAC3.thd+ac3"
    TrueHD (Atmos), 7.1 channels, 48kHz
    AC3 encoding doesn't support back channels. Will mix them into the surround.
    Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
    Mixing surround channels...
    Remapping channels...
    Encoding AC3 <640kbps> with libAften...
    Creating file "F:\AtmosAC3.thd+ac3"...
    libav Lossless check failed - expected 00, calculated 1f.
    libav restart header sync incorrect (got 0x04b2)
    libav Invalid channel 8 specified as output from matrix.
    The libav decoder reported error -1094995529 while decoding.
    Aborted at file position 87818240.
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    Originally Posted by smd9 View Post
    Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    Originally Posted by smd9 View Post
    Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post
    I think TSMuxer is looking for a THD+ac3 track...The TrueHD with the base DolbyDigital embedded in it
    Any suggestion on how I can get something like that? I tried extracting both the TrueHD and AC3 tracks together using MKVCleaver, but it gave me two different files.
    Is the UHD rip with the THD/Atmos track a full disc rip or an mkv?

    If it's an mkv the AC3 core has probably been stripped as previously mentioned. eac3to should be able to embed an AC3 core into the THD track and output as THD+AC3 like sneaker mentions below.

    EDIT: eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    I say should because sometimes I get errors that prevent it from doing so successfully...but I use useac3to for gui and I'm guessing I'm not setup properly or something.

    If it's a full disc rip I think you should be able to load the (correct) playlist in tsmuxer along with the 3D disc and just reorder and remux, keeping only the tracks you want.

    Originally Posted by sneaker View Post
    Note mkvmerge will separate TrueHD and AC3 core into separate tracks. So if possible go back to your source files which still have them in a single track.

    Should that no be possible anymore eac3to can encode an AC3 core:
    eac3to "input.thd" "output.thd+ac3"

    (I don't know about tsMuxer's capabilities.)
    I have both full disc and MP3. TSMuxer doesn't support UHD discs it seems. I can add the full disc playlist file and select the audio track that has the AC3 core + TrueHD audio, but it gives me a "Can't parse playlist file" error when I try to mux into a Blu-Ray ISO.

    I tried encoding an AC3 core into the TrueHD track using eac3to like you suggested, but the following is what happened:

    >eac3to.exe "f:\Atmos.truehd" "F:\AtmosAC3.thd+ac3"
    TrueHD (Atmos), 7.1 channels, 48kHz
    AC3 encoding doesn't support back channels. Will mix them into the surround.
    Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
    Mixing surround channels...
    Remapping channels...
    Encoding AC3 <640kbps> with libAften...
    Creating file "F:\AtmosAC3.thd+ac3"...
    libav Lossless check failed - expected 00, calculated 1f.
    libav restart header sync incorrect (got 0x04b2)
    libav Invalid channel 8 specified as output from matrix.
    The libav decoder reported error -1094995529 while decoding.
    Aborted at file position 87818240.

    Darn. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the process can help. Sorry
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