Why don't my interpolated videos look as good as examples I see on youtube?

[bradwiggo]

I have been trying to interpolate some videos to 60FPS for a while now, and I have had mixed results. I have been using this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPAPWqXT5Xg )as a "benchmark" of sorts, to compare my results to. So far I have not been able to produce a video that is as good as it.

This is probably the best one I could make so far: https://1drv.ms/v/s!AiOx2LWATSlvzWDcYRoEEL5EIUAS

I used SVP code to make that video, as the person who made the youtube video I linked said they used SVP.

In my video, the camera panning is very smooth, however the movement of people and objects is not as smooth as it is in the youtube video.

What settings should I be using in SVP code in order to get the same (or better) results as the youtube video?

Also, do I need SVP Code, could I achieve results similar to the youtube video in MEGUI with avisynth?

I also am having problems with framerates of files:

When I use handbrake to convert the original m4v file to a mp4 file, i select source framerate and constant, however, the framerate comes out differently (the orginal was 23.976008 and handbrake outputs 23.976024), and also even though I selected constant framerate, SVP says it can't work with the file as it has a variable framerate. How do I fix this?

P.S. The reason it is frozen is that is the best example I could find, the animation shows off the effects better and the person who made that video said they used SVP, so it s a good comparison for my results.

[johnmeyer]

You might want to read through this thread over at doom9.org:

SVP flow: is there better ?

[manono]

When I use handbrake to convert the original m4v file to a mp4 file...

Don't.

How do I fix this?

Don't use Handbrake. Or perhaps use an AssumeFPS line in your AviSYnth script.

In my video, the camera panning is very smooth

No it's not. In every 10-frame cycle you have 7 unique frames and 3 duplicate frames. Not a recipe for smooth motion. That's what you get for starting with 29.97fps rather than 23.976fps, as you should.

But his isn't very good either as there's a ton of blending or ghosted frames. But at least he began with a proper 23.976fps video.

[LMotlow]

"Why don't my interpolated videos look as good as examples I see on youtube?"

You must be kidding us here at the forum, right? What makes you think those other samples look good? they look like typical Youtube crap.

[bradwiggo]

"Why don't my interpolated videos look as good as examples I see on youtube?"

You must be kidding us here at the forum, right? What makes you think those other samples look good? they look like typical Youtube crap.

I tihink they look fine.

[bradwiggo]

When I use handbrake to convert the original m4v file to a mp4 file...

Don't.

How do I fix this?

Don't use Handbrake. Or perhaps use an AssumeFPS line in your AviSYnth script.

In my video, the camera panning is very smooth

No it's not. In every 10-frame cycle you have 7 unique frames and 3 duplicate frames. Not a recipe for smooth motion. That's what you get for starting with 29.97fps rather than 23.976fps, as you should.

But his isn't very good either as there's a ton of blending or ghosted frames. But at least he began with a proper 23.976fps video.

I have to convert it, the.m4v file I have doesn't work with svp, it says it has a variable framerate. What should I do?

[manono]

Make it CFR. How are you opening it? What's your AviSynth script? I already gave one suggestion and that was to use an AssumeFPS in your script. And the source filters, depending on which you use, can also be told to make it CFR.

You do realize, don't you, that every reencode to a lossy codec further degrades the video quality?

[bradwiggo]

Make it CFR. How are you opening it? What's your AviSynth script? I already gave one suggestion and that was to use an AssumeFPS in your script. And the source filters, depending on which you use, can also be told to make it CFR.

You do realize, don't you, that every reencode to a lossy codec further degrades the video quality?

If I make it CFR isn't that what is causing the problem, the framerate being different to the original?

The script I was using with MEGUI and AVIsynth was this:

Cores=4
PluginPath = "C:\Program Files (x86)\MeGUI\tools\avisynth_plugin\"
LoadPlugin(PluginPath+"svpflow1.dll")
LoadPlugin(PluginPath+"svpflow2.dll")
Import(PluginPath+"InterFrame2.avsi")
<input>.ConvertToYV12()
<deinterlace>
<crop>
<denoise>
<resize>
InterFrame(Cores=Cores, Tuning="Smooth", FrameDouble=true)

I originally tried this:

Cores=4
SetMemoryMax(512)
SetMTMode(3,Cores)
PluginPath = "C:\Program Files (x86)\MeGUI\tools\avisynth_plugin\"
LoadPlugin(PluginPath+"svpflow1.dll")
LoadPlugin(PluginPath+"svpflow2.dll")
Import(PluginPath+"InterFrame2.avsi")
<input>.ConvertToYV12()
SetMTMode(2)
<deinterlace>
<crop>
<denoise>
<resize>
InterFrame(Cores=Cores, Tuning="Smooth", FrameDouble=true)

However that didn't work because of lines 2, 3 and 9.

[jagabo]

Changing frame rate doesn't necessarily cause A/V sync errors. Frames can be duplicated or discarded to make up the difference. Or each frame can be displayed for a different amount time. In the former case there is no change in running time. In the latter case the running time is different.

That is unrelated to CFR/VFR encoding. In a CFR video every frame is displayed for the same amount of time. In a VFR video frames can be displayed for different lengths of time.

[bradwiggo]

Changing frame rate doesn't necessarily cause A/V sync errors. Frames can be duplicated or discarded to make up the difference. Or each frame can be displayed for a different amount time. In the former case there is no change in running time. In the latter case the running time is different.

That is unrelated to CFR/VFR encoding. In a CFR video every frame is displayed for the same amount of time. In a VFR video frames can be displayed for different lengths of time.

Can you perform interpolation on a video with variable framerate? As SVP doesn't seem to allow it.

[davexnet]

Post a 10 - 15 second sample of your source, a clip showing some steady movement would be best.
Try avidemux in copy mode to cut this clip

[bradwiggo]

Post a 10 - 15 second sample of your source, a clip showing some steady movement would be best.
Try avidemux in copy mode to cut this clip

Does that program support m4v files?

[davexnet]

yes it does

[bradwiggo]

yes it does

I will download that program and get a clip toworrow morning (it's 11pm where I am now).

Is it possible that the person who made the YouTube video was using a file from a blu ray disk? Would the video from there be different?

[manono]

Is it possible that the person who made the YouTube video was using a file from a blu ray disk?

What's important is he was using a 23.976fps source, as he should have, and as I already told you. I don't know if it was from a Blu-Ray or not, but I suppose it was. Your source for the interpolation should also be 23.976fps. If it's not to begin with, make it so with an IVTC or Decimation by itself.

[bradwiggo]

Is it possible that the person who made the YouTube video was using a file from a blu ray disk?

What's important is he was using a 23.976fps source, as he should have, and as I already told you. I don't know if it was from a Blu-Ray or not, but I suppose it was. Your source for the interpolation should also be 23.976fps. If it's not to begin with, make it so with an IVTC or Decimation by itself.

Would a blu ray produce a better final interpolated video than an itunes or Google play download would? Not referring to the resolution, just the framerate.

My original source is at 23.976008fps, I assume that is okay as well. Would a blu ray be the same framerate?

[jagabo]

A Blu-ray source is probably going to have much better quality than something you download from youtube or itunes. That will probably get you better motion interpolation because there is more detail with which to identify motion, and fewer artifacts to disguise motion.

Youtube downloads are usually 29.97 fps with duplicate frames, or worse, blended fields. I don't know about itunes. Duplicate frames can sometimes be hard to remove because compression artifacts make them look unique. So decimation filters may remove the wrong frames.

[manono]

My original source is at 23.976008fps...

Then why make it 29.97fps with dupe frames before interpolating to 59.94fps?

[bradwiggo]

My original source is at 23.976008fps...

Then why make it 29.97fps with dupe frames before interpolating to 59.94fps?

I don't mean to change the framerate, but SVP won't accept my origin source, I have to handbrake it and then run it through any video converter first. And no matter what settings I choose in handbrake, it changes the framerate for some reason.

[bradwiggo]

A Blu-ray source is probably going to have much better quality than something you download from youtube or itunes. That will probably get you better motion interpolation because there is more detail with which to identify motion, and fewer artifacts to disguise motion.

Youtube downloads are usually 29.97 fps with duplicate frames, or worse, blended fields. I don't know about itunes. Duplicate frames can sometimes be hard to remove because compression artifacts make them look unique. So decimation filters may remove the wrong frames.

Does this mean it is not possible for me to get it to look as good as the linked YouTube video unless I buy a blu ray and a blu ray reader?

[bradwiggo]

yes it does

I downloaded avidemux, and opened the video in it, but it didt't work properly. The preview windows is all green. Another m4v file worked, but the one I need to work didn't work.

[jagabo]

I downloaded avidemux, and opened the video in it, but it didt't work properly. The preview windows is all green.

Ignore the problem and try saving a segment (audio and video set to copy). See if the resulting file plays properly.

[bradwiggo]

I downloaded avidemux, and opened the video in it, but it didt't work properly. The preview windows is all green.

Ignore the problem and try saving a segment (audio and video set to copy). See if the resulting file plays properly.

I tried that before, it didn't work unfortunately. When I pressed the "A" marker button it did nothing, if I pressed play it went back to the start and stayed at 00:00:00.

[flashandpan007]

Do not double start threads:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/389463-How-do-I-make-a-video-this-smooth-SVP-question

[bradwiggo]

I downloaded avidemux, and opened the video in it, but it didt't work properly. The preview windows is all green.

Ignore the problem and try saving a segment (audio and video set to copy). See if the resulting file plays properly.

I am really confused as to why these program keep changing the framerate. I managed to find a program that can trim video, MPEG Stream clip, I think it was suggested here somewhere. Here is the clip I got: https://1drv.ms/v/s!AiOx2LWATSlvzW7zaE4WHtzhdalD

However, according to VLC, that clip is 23.976216fps, despite the original which I cut it from being 23.976008.

[jagabo]

Your video is encoded as variable frame rate. The rate reported by various programs is just a estimate of the average. Fortunately, it looks like it's really 24000/1001 constant fps. The character animation is the same frame rate as the film, 23.976 fps. SVP delivers pretty much the same as that youtube video.

LSMASHVideoSource("C:\Users\John\Downloads\cutsection.mp4") 
AssumeFPS(24000,1001)
super=SVSuper("{gpu:0}")
vectors=SVAnalyse(super, "{block:{w:16}}") # 16 is the default, you can try 8, 24, and 32 also
SVSmoothFps(super, vectors, "{rate:{num:5, den:2, algo:2}}", url="www.svp-team.com", mt=1)

[Hoser Rob]

This is a bit OT but I'm confused about the use of the word 'interpolation' in this thread. I thought ALL encoding basically involved a lot of matrix processing and interpolation. Is there something special about its use here?

[bradwiggo]

Your video is encoded as variable frame rate. The rate reported by various programs is just a estimate of the average. Fortunately, it looks like it's really 24000/1001 constant fps. The character animation is the same frame rate as the film, 23.976 fps. SVP delivers pretty much the same as that youtube video.

LSMASHVideoSource("C:\Users\John\Downloads\cutsection.mp4") 
AssumeFPS(24000,1001)
super=SVSuper("{gpu:0}")
vectors=SVAnalyse(super, "{block:{w:16}}") # 16 is the default, you can try 8, 24, and 32 also
SVSmoothFps(super, vectors, "{rate:{num:5, den:2, algo:2}}", url="www.svp-team.com", mt=1)

So the files I did with handbrake were actually the right framerate? Then why did they look bad? I did lots of testing with handbrake, I set it to 30fps and I did some testing with it set to source framerate, and both of the results looked tbe same after being put through megui.

[bradwiggo]

This is a bit OT but I'm confused about the use of the word 'interpolation' in this thread. I thought ALL encoding basically involved a lot of matrix processing and interpolation. Is there something special about its use here?

By interpolation I mean framerate interpolation, i.e. Using an algorithm to estimate new frames in between existing ones in order to make the videos appear smoother. A lot of modern TVs do it.

[jagabo]

Motion interpolation or compensation as used here is about analyzing motion between frames to produce intermediate frames with intermediate motion. For example, if the camera rotated 5 degrees from one frame to the next, you can produce a frame between them where the camera rotated 2.5 degrees. The goal is to produce a higher frame rate video with smoother motion.

Motion analysis during compression is about using motion vectors to reduce the bitrate requirement. It takes fewer bits to say "move this block of pixels from x,y, to x',y'" than it does to reencode the block. No new frames are produced.