What are the latest reports on Verbatim dual-layer AZO ? (Not Life Series.) Still Made in Taiwan, still reliable ?
Still 8X rated ? (Although I did not burn them at more than a 4X setting.) Where did you order them from ?
I don't want to order what turn out to be the wrong ones and then have to return them.
[It appears that the Verb. part # @ Rima has changed, for example.]
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Last edited by Seeker47; 2nd Nov 2018 at 18:55.
I suspect the TY and AZO discs aren't in high demand by the general public and may be old stock. As lordsmurf stated above, high heat/humidity and light = improper storage = possible conditions in a warehouse.
- CMC Magnetics, Taiwan
- Moser Baer (MBI), India
- Prodisc Technology, Taiwan
- Falcon Technologies (FTI), United Arab Emirates (UAE)
CMC obviously still around, making not just their own CMC media (still crap), but also MCC/MKM, TY, and maybe some others. It became cheaper for other manufacturers to export their labor and facilities to CMC, and just give them specs and supplies for the discs. CMC is a publicly traded company, and you can see some of their dealings in the disclosure filings. They have negative income, negative profit, negative growth, but sustained sales/cashflow with billions in assets. Their stock trades for about 33% of what it did a decade ago.
Prodisc is MIA, believed to be defunct, another recession victim. I've not seen non-NOS Prodisc at all in the 2010s; and I don't even mean MCC/MKM. The only place where I know to find Prodisc MID DVD still is at Americal.com. They must have over-ordered tons of it. Question is, how good is the warehouse storage? Post-4x Prodisc was always 2nd class, meaning already marginal. Not bad, just not great. Add in heat and humidity, and it'll quickly become cakes of coasters.
FTI exists, and makes MKM DVD+R DL. Everything else is FTI media (using licensed TDK MID), or Ritek.
MBI stills makes MCC/MKM media, but I'm not sure if it's exported outside India these days. Maybe Europe, elsewhere in Asia? I've not seen any in North America for years.
To clarify, CMC in Taiwan in the sole manufacturer of AZO discs, correct?
What about Singapore? Is the factory still there? They stopped making AZO discs years ago. Are they still around?
The Singapore plant was always for R&D-type initial production. I'm not sure if it's still around, but I'm betting it is. At least the facility. I'm not sure if it still does optical, or was retrofitted for something new.
No, I don't think CMC exclusively makes the AZO. MBI and FTI both have some currently.
Purely out of curiosity for me since it's been years since I've burned a disc and I don't even know exactly where my blanks are!
Packaging says "Verbatim #95098 1606-203" above the UPC barcode.
That UPC is "023942 950981".
Packaging says "Made in Taiwan" and at the very bottom says "Verbatim Americas LLC 2016".
Nero DiscSpeed reads them as "Verbatim MCC 004 000 (00h)".
Based on what I noted above with "2016" on the wrapper I assume they are no older than 2016 but in theory I guess they could be newer too if that was some kind of copyright thing rather than supposed to be a "birthdate" (?). I don't have the wrapper still for the spindle I bought like 2 years ago which drove me crazy with bad burns, so I can't compare those.
It is single layer though, you may be asking about dual layer (?).
Imgburn likely provides that info as well, when you load a disc ? I think I may be out of any remaining personal stock on those now, but will have to look around to be sure.
Verbatim sells BR blank media in 25 & 50 Gb. sizes also. Not sure what the production or quality story is on those, though.
Bump: I am left even more dubious, insofar as Amazon has several product listings for this (for a spindle of the same size),
ranging from $30. to ~ $60. Something doesn't feel right about this.
I visited the disc blanks page at lordsmurf's site
(which has apparently not been updated for a few years ?), and he seemed to be indicating that there was nothing to worry about in regard to the Verb AZO DLs from sources like UAE. But, I'd prefer to hear current reports from him -- and others -- on this score. And, if anyone knows of extant sources for the Made in Singapore (or Made in Taiwan ?) variety, I would much appreciate that info.
From the customer questions and answers section on Amazon, it seems they're made exclusively in UAE as of 2015, possibly late 2014. No reports of any made in Taiwan. So if someone does have available Made in Singapore stock, they would be at least 4 years old, stored under unknown conditions.
Hopefully others will chime in with their opinions and experiences.
Last edited by lingyi; 22nd Dec 2018 at 13:37.
Since you and I are only ones actively posting on this thread, I recommend starting a new thread with your questions and concerns.
*Looks over shoulder as lordsmurf will suddenly appear and post here*
For what its worth, everything Ive done the past few months with the CMC TY discs has resulted in zero bad discs. Verbatims have been about 20% failures. Sticking with CMC TY going forward.
O.K., good to hear. I had bought substantial quantities of the Made in Singapore Verb DLs, as well as TYGO2 & TYGO3 . . . but then I've used most of it, so in retrospect I should have bought even more, while the getting was good ! Never really exploited Blu-Ray as an option though perhaps I should have, and I have steadily defaulted more towards redundant HDD & memory stick storage, but those DVDs are still an important medium -- at least to me. I also use DVD RW (preferably the TDK 4x, which has all but disappeared -- had to get my last order of that from the U.K.) as a bridge for xfer to HDD.
I will never ever go back to Verbatims. Some of my recent (last year or whatever) spindles were something like 80% bad discs! Just godawful.
Am buying only T-Y/CMC's for past year or so and think I had only about 5% bad discs (if that). That being said a recent pack of 100 had 10 in a row that were bad, one even had a weird shape of dye extending from the inner ring into the disc.
Nevertheless, even at twice the price of the Verbatims I get about 80 more good discs for every pack of 100 so it has been well worth it.
There's 3 main factors to understand:
(1) Most people fail to realize that drives age, and quite badly, used or not. The drive guts are affected by environmental conditions, including moisture, tobacco smoke, and dust. This has a very negative consequence to the drive, and you'll get erratic behavior even on known-good discs.
(2) Discs age, used or not, and storage conditions matter. When were the bad discs manufactured? And where were they store -- both BEFORE you bought them, and after. This information can be harder to acquire, but matters for longevity studies.
(3) Statistics matter. If a Verbatim MCC/MKM generally has a 95-99% success rate, and you get a 100% success rate on a spindle, it means that you're ahead by 4-5%. But are you really? What it may mean is that a subsequent spindle could have a 91% success rate, though it's not overly likely. If you're a low=volume users, and acquire such a spindle, you may form an unfavorable view simply because you had a statistical outlier anomaly. Remember, even a coin flip isn't 50/50, something else commonly misunderstood about statistics. (FYI: At best, it's 51/49.)
So suggesting media isn't good because of a mere spindle, or without verifying other variables, is bad science.
Bad science is what created the "bad batch" myth in the 2000s (which had since largely disappeared from media conversations, and good riddance).
bunch of stuff might be the issue, for example either (1) they were just making crap now, (2) the discs that I was buying were stored improperly by the vendors like being too hot or too cold or who knows what, (3) the discs were old stock & had degraded over time, & that since I had problems in multiple different drives including buying new ones I ruled out it being a problem with my system(s). So I do not think I was judging on "bad science"
The inverse is also true, which led to all the "CMC is great" and "Ritek is best" nonsense that screwed over so many people years ago. It also helped the fake media industry pre-recession, people blindly praises fake TYG02/MCC/etc media.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but so far the failed discs (blanks or recorded on, going back quite a few years) have been amazingly few for me. I still need to burn discs, in the Pioneer DVDRs and on the computer, though considerably less than was once the case. My oldest discs are probably also 4x, outlier brands like Fuji and certain others. (Did Plextor once have their own discs ?) If some more go bad, I will note that here. Even then, absent some major dye level (?) collapse, it might still be possible to salvage the contents by lifting them off to somewhere else, using IsoBuster ?
I still burn CD's because they have better quality sound than any other streaming source. I rip and burn CD's in WAVE lossless format and not compressed like Amazon downloads and they sound so much better! Full file for audiophile quality and HiFi systems. So, I'm trying to find the highest quality CD blanks I can get. JVC - Taiyo Yuden so far seem to be but on this forum I see where some feel Verbatim or CMC TY are as good. What do you say? Thanks.
Dinosaur with good audio quality!
And I still burn a fair amount of music onto CD, mainly for listening in the car while driving. My main problem is that a lot of the material I am finding these days is 24-bit, and I have not yet learned how to convert that so it will play on the car system to best effect. Otherwise it won't go onto a CD (?) It's supposed to be a top of the line sound system, but I think they still don't support 24-bit, no matter what media it is played from. In the past I had tested that with flashdrives. But I just exchanged a 2017 leased vehicle for a 2020 model, so maybe it's time for a re-test.
Verbatim was the best that I could readily find in CD blanks, maybe scarcer now ? Saw some "Philips" not long ago, not sure what that was. The last spindle I bought was HP. I forget what that turns out to be, but ImgBurn should report on that, the next time I burn one.
See also: Myth about vinyl (as a medium) being "better". It's not. Some albums can be, but it has almost nothing to do with the platter itself.