That is a million dollar question. Somehow the UHD players are recognizing the burnt bd-xl discs and not playing even if they are decrypted. But the commercial discs are BD100. There is something with the burning process or decryption or the discs itself. So if you lose one of the UHD movies, you won't be able to play the copy burnt in bdxl unless you have UB450 or you copy it to usb and play it in a media player.
Check the previous posts in this thread. Few did some tests and found a way to burn bdxl in a proper way that few players can read.
You can try getting few Verbatim M discs (highest quality) and burn with pioneer or lg external usb burner and test it out.
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I have Nvidia Shield, so this would be a very available option.
Still never got any answer as to whether these BR decks are still being sold NEW . . . ?
Last edited by Seeker47; 27th Oct 2023 at 16:56.
Thus I have for many years no problem with 100th Verbatim from ebay whom I play on my Panasonic UB 900 easily and burn with an Asus BW-16 D1HT.
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Not a perfect solution, but….
Dvdfab will copy a 4K blu ray to BD50 with menus and DV/HDR intact (plus you can jettison extraneous audio you don’t need).
With 4K discs that are BD66 - the loss is negligible.
You’ll take a bigger bitrate hit if you copy BD100 —> BD50.
(There are no consumer BD-66 blank discs)
I highly doubt your player cannot play retail BD-66 4K discs- a large percentage of retail 4K discs are on BD-66.
Do you have an Intel PC or AMD?
"My Panasonic UB820 wouldn’t play this until I updated the firmware. If you’re having playback issues a firmware update might be needed.
I've seen several people claim that after the latest Panasonic 820 update (1.76?), the Top Menu trick no longer works for playing region-locked discs. I left my 820's internet connection off for fear of that very possibility (even though I thought it might be paranoid of me)."
I just bought Panasonic DMR-ZR1 from Japan. it costed me $250 shipping from Japan to US. It is worth it because the picture quality is better than UB9000. For the BDXL playback, DMR-ZR1 supports BDXL playback but its audio and video always hiccups, the sound is intermittent, and picture is not consistent. Can anyone explain why this happens? thank you. The BDXL disc I used is SONY BD-RE XL 100GB.
I always bring up the BDA not creating a detailed spec of BDXL creation? Without this, how can you design a standalone player that deal with "hiccups"?
The ZR1 added “1.3x recording” to the compressed 4K mode. This is a mode designed for “perfect dubbing of 4K programs within 2 hours” onto a 25 GB BD-R.
Last edited by 4kblurayguru; 29th Nov 2023 at 07:59.
The specifications of DMR-ZR1 for the rewritable Blu-ray discs are
These specifications are from Japanese Panasonic website
So, it supports 100GB BD-RE XL and 128GB BD-R
I also read the reviews from Japanese website for the DMR-ZR1, it outperforms the UB-9000 for sure.
Here is the translation of the interview for the Kazuhiko Kono and Shingo Miyamoto from the Hardware Design Department, Visual Sound BU Technology Center, Panasonic Entertainment & Communication Co., Ltd.
The link is here, you can use google translation to read in English https://online.stereosound.co.jp/_ct/17560173
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Panasonic's "DMR-ZR1" has truly stress-free picture and sound. It is truly a “premium” item that will completely change the way you enjoy content (previous) [Close to featured products 02]
newsreviewAV/home theaterPANASONICBD/HDD recorder4K22.2chdolby atmos
Panasonic's 4K Blu-ray disc recorder "DMR-ZR1". As a DIGA premium model, it has attracted attention for achieving image and sound quality that meets the expectations of audiovisual fans, and has become so popular that there was a temporary backorder since its release in January of this year.
The DMR-ZR1 was finally delivered to Koji Yamamoto's theater, and he says he is enjoying its high quality every day. Therefore, this time, we invited Kazuhiko Kono and Shingo Miyamoto of Panasonic Entertainment & Communication Co., Ltd., the developers of the DMR-ZR1, for a round-table discussion while experiencing the performance of the DMR-ZR1 at the Yamamoto Theater. (StereoSoundONLINE Editorial Department)
●4K BD/HDD recorder
Panasonic DMR-ZR1 Estimated market price around 360,000 yen (tax included)
Image 1: Panasonic's "DMR-ZR1" has a truly stress-free picture and sound. It is truly a “premium” item that will completely change the way you enjoy content (previous) [Close to featured products 02]
●Built-in HDD capacity: 6 TB
●Number of built-in tuners: 3 (terrestrial digital/BS/BS4K/CS/CS110 degree 4K shared)
●Playable media: BD-RE (single-sided 1 layer/2 layers/3 layers, 25 GB ~ 100 GB), BD-R (single-sided 1 layer/2 layers/3 layers/4 layers, 25 GB to 128 GB), BD-Video, Ultra HD Blu-ray, DVD-RAM (compatible with DVD-VR standard), DVD -R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW, DVD-VIDEO, CD-DA, CD-R/RW
●Connection terminals: HDMI output x 2, optical digital audio output x 2 (optical, coaxial), USB terminal x 2 (USB2.0 1 system, USB3.0 1 system), LAN terminal, etc.
Power consumption: Approximately 30W (standby approximately 0.9W/quick start off, time display off)
Dimensions/mass: W430 x H87 x D300mm (not including protrusions)/13.6kg
Image 2: Panasonic's "DMR-ZR1" has truly stress-free picture and sound. It is truly a “premium” item that will completely change the way you enjoy content (previous) [Close to featured products 02]
Yamamoto : Welcome to our theater today. The other day, the ``DMR-ZR1'' finally arrived, and as I compare it to the UHD Blu-ray disc player ``DP-UB9000,'' which was my main playback device up until then, I am constantly impressed and surprised by its performance.
I had to wait a long time after ordering, but does this mean that there were more orders than expected?
Kono : Yes, thanks to you. The initial number of orders was very unpredictable.
Yamamoto DMR-ZR1 is Diga's flagship model, but when did it become a premium recorder model?
KonoIt 's been since "DMR-UBZ1" in 2015. However, as a recorder, the DMR-UBZ1 was compatible with 2K broadcasting and was also equipped with a UHD Blu-ray playback function.
Yamamoto : That's right. The DMR-ZR1 is the first premium model as a 4K recorder. It's natural that we put a lot of effort into development.
KonoWhen we thought about creating a premium 4K recorder, we wanted to achieve a quality that exceeds the DP-UB9000 as a player as well.
Yamamoto : It has to be that way. The image quality of the DMR-ZR1 as a player is also far superior to that of the DP-UB9000.
Image: In Mr. Yamamoto's theater room, he uses the DMR-ZR1 (top row of photos) and DP-UB9000 (second row) as appropriate to check the characteristics of each image. The bottom row is the surround AV center, Denon AVC-A110
In Mr. Yamamoto's theater room, he uses the DMR-ZR1 (top row of photos) and DP-UB9000 (second row) as appropriate to check the characteristics of each image. The bottom row is the surround AV center, Denon AVC-A110
Kono : I'm glad to hear you say that. I thought that he would probably be a product that would have mixed reviews.
Yamamoto : What do you mean by that?
Kono : If it was a product of this grade, I'm sure there would be opinions such as wishing it had analog audio output, or wishing it was a player anyway. On the other hand, there are also people who want a premium 4K recorder, and we will have to meet those expectations.
Yamamoto :Certainly, since this is a product for enthusiasts, there will be a variety of requests. Several of my friends also purchased the DMR-ZR1, and they all use it as a player. I myself interpret this product as a top-of-the-line UHD player that can also be used as a 4K recorder.
Kono : It is inevitable that a variety of opinions will emerge, but we cannot respond to all of them. What we thought was that the quality of the HDMI output image and sound quality had to be the best, and that it had to at least surpass the DP-UB9000. I thought that the lifeline of the DMR-ZR1 was whether or not we could make this a reality.
Yamamoto : However, I think he did a great job in this era when it was difficult to come up with product plans for highly hobbyist, high-end models. I would also like to pay tribute to the project manager who gave the green light to this project.
Kono : Originally, it was from the technical side that we said we wanted to create a premium model of 4K recorder. Since we haven't made a top-of-the-line DIGA model since the DMR-UBZ1, we wanted to create the top-of-the-line 4K recorder.
Yamamoto :Certainly, recent digital cameras have focused on functionality, such as large capacity and the ability to record all channels.
Image: FIBBR's new 8K compatible HDMI cable is being tested. Directly connected to the projector and AV center using separate HDMI outputs
Regarding HDMI cables, FIBBR is currently testing a new 8K compatible product. Directly connected to the projector and AV center using separate HDMI outputs
It is true that the Kono Premium Model takes time to develop, so it is difficult to get the project through. This time, I made a proposal from the technical side, and I was really happy when the business manager approved it, saying, ``It's Diga's responsibility to release a top-end model at the right time.''
Yamamoto : That's a good story.
Kono: The reason we are able to create such an environment is because of Diga's history. I've been in charge of the first Blu-ray DIGA model, the DMR-BW200, and since then I've worked hard with various manufacturers to develop it. I believe that receiving high praise from HiVi Best Buy and the Grand Prix led to a common understanding within the company that Diga must pursue quality.
Yamamoto : Gaining recognition through media such as HiVi is also an important mission.
Since I'm Kono , I always feel a lot of pressure if the critics don't give me any good reviews at all (lol). I started with the feeling that if I failed, there would be no next time, but fortunately I have been able to make great achievements so far, which is why I was able to develop the DMR-ZR1.
Yamamoto : By the way, I believe that manufacturing sites are currently experiencing a difficult situation due to the tight supply of electronic components, but did you have any difficulties in making the DMR-ZR1?
Miyamoto : Of course, there was also a problem with parts supply for the DMR-ZR1. Fortunately, I think we were able to proceed somewhat smoothly without making everyone wait too long.
Yamamoto : There are some special parts that are used only in the DMR-ZR1, right?
Image: A power conditioner circuit has been added around the USB and HDMI to suppress noise. The red part in the photo is a part using ruby mica.
A power conditioner circuit has been added around the USB and HDMI to suppress noise. The red part in the photo is a part using ruby mica.
MiyamotoThere are several electronic parts, and many of the parts for the housing are only used in the DMR-ZR1 and DP-UB9000. In particular, ruby mica, which is used in the USB power conditioner around the power supply, is produced only in the Bihar region of India, so it is a component that is in short supply to begin with.
Did they even specify the place of origin in Yamamoto ?
Miyamoto : That's right. We are still trying to get some supplies in, but the lead time is extremely long, so we placed the order early to secure it.
With the Kono DMR-ZR1, getting parts wasn't such a big problem, but it was largely because we had taken countermeasures early on.
This is because since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, there has been a tremendous increase in the number of stories about parts for various models not being available or production of certain parts being discontinued.
If it is a regular model, you can replace it with a substitute if the specs and quality are the same, but this is not the case with a premium model like the DMR-ZR1. This is because unless you actually test it, you can't decide whether it's usable in terms of quality or not. Miyamoto has been continuing this type of research for the past several years.
Miyamoto : That's right. For the past two years, we have been conducting such preliminary research. Using a prototype machine based on the DP-UB9000, we are conducting a very detailed examination of what can be replaced if a certain part no longer fits, and if there is a way to improve the quality if it is to be replaced.
Kono :It is precisely because we did this kind of work that we were able to produce the DMR-ZR1 relatively stably.
Image: Mr. Kazuhiko Kono (left) and Mr. Shingo Miyamoto (right) from the Hardware Design Department, Visual Sound BU Technology Center, Panasonic Entertainment & Communication Co., Ltd., who responded to our interview.
Kazuhiko Kono (left) and Shingo Miyamoto (right) from the Hardware Design Department, Visual Sound BU Technology Center, Panasonic Entertainment & Communication Co., Ltd., who responded to our interview.
Yamamoto : I see. This is the result of steady efforts. Have the main parts changed considerably from the DP-UB9000?
Miyamoto : Yes, we have changed a lot of parts related to the core parts. This is because, in many cases, supply of general-purpose parts was more difficult than that of audio parts. However, even with such general-purpose parts, the sound changes when you replace them, so it took some time to find parts with good sound.
Yamamoto: The DMR-ZR1 is a dedicated digital output device for both video and sound, but how did you decide to remove the analog audio output?
I considered installing a Kono analog audio output, but I thought it would be a bit unreasonable to put an HDD and tuner into the DP-UB9000's housing.
After much discussion with Miyamoto Kono, we came to the conclusion that it would be better to specialize in digital audio output. I think that the quality of the digital output will be better and that it will be possible to achieve a quality that exceeds that of the DP-UB9000.
KonoWhen asked if it would be possible to improve the digital audio and image quality by removing the analog audio circuit rather than installing an analog audio output halfway, Miyamoto answered that there is a way. This led to the DMR-ZR1.
Yamamoto :The important point is that you didn't just remove the analog, but raised the quality of the digital one notch as a result.
Image: The DMR-ZR1's power supply is separated into two parts on the board: one for the digital line and one for the drive (optical disk/HDD). This seems to have had a big impact on the quality of digital output.
The DMR-ZR1's power supply is separated on the board into two parts: one for the digital line and one for the drive (optical disk/HDD). This seems to have had a big impact on the quality of digital output.
MiyamotoAt first, I thought that if I installed two power supplies and used the extra power, the sound of the digital output would definitely improve. When I tried it on the DP-UB9000, the results exceeded my expectations. Moreover, the image quality had improved, so I immediately informed Kono.
Kono is in charge of sound quality, so he doesn't usually say much about picture quality, but this time he said, "I think the picture has improved, so what do you think?" My impression at that time was very good, so we decided on the direction of development for the DMR-ZR1.
YamamotoAs a UHD Blu-ray player, I thought that the Pioneer "UDP-LX800" had better not only analog audio but also HDMI output sound than the DP-UB9000, but the DMR-ZR1's HDMI output sound was better than the UDP-LX800. It exceeded LX800.
Thank you Kono . After the release of the DP-UB9000, several critics, including Mr. Yamamoto, pointed out this point. If they were to release the DMR-ZR1 at this time, the DP-UB9000 would be a given, but I personally wanted it to be a product that could even surpass the sound quality of the UDP-LX800, so I'm very happy.
YamamotoI had no idea there were so many benefits to separating switching power supplies from the beginning.
Now, it is also a hot topic that the DMR-ZR1 is equipped with a function to convert the 22.2ch audio used in BS 8K/4K to Dolby Atmos. Please tell me again how it works.
MiyamotoThis time, we decoded 22.2ch AAC and sent it to the AV center in a format called Dolby MAT (Metadata-enhanced Audio Transmission). Dolby MAT is installed in all AV centers that support Dolby Atmos, so if you are using a compatible device, you can play it as is.
Image: The DMR-ZR1 also has a function to convert and output BS4K/8K 22.2ch broadcasts to Dolby Atmos signals inside the DMR-ZR1. I'm glad that the AV center used can be used with any generation as long as it supports Dolby Atmos.
It also has the ability to convert and output BS4K/8K 22.2ch broadcasts to Dolby Atmos signals inside the DMR-ZR1. I'm glad that the AV center used can be used with any generation as long as it supports Dolby Atmos.
Even the Kono DP-UB9000 internally supported full 22.2ch decoding. But at that time there was no way to output it. However, I was able to output from the HDMI terminal by using Dolby MAT, so I gave it a try.
YamamotoWhen did you realize that you could convert 22.2ch to Dolby Atmos?
We had been considering the possibility of using Kono technology for quite some time, but at the time we thought it would be impossible due to the capabilities of the chips. For that reason, we had given up, but once the design of the DMR-ZR1 had progressed to a certain extent, we thought we might be able to do something about it again, so we held discussions with Dolby and other chip manufacturers. Then, we started talking about whether it might be possible.
There aren't many opportunities to develop a premium model, so if there was a possibility, we decided to make it happen, so we headed straight for installing it.
Yamamoto : Technically speaking, the decoded 22.2ch linear PCM is transferred to Dolby MAT. Does that mean the task is difficult?
Miyamoto : The Dolby MAT standard specifies how to store 22.2ch linear PCM. However, since 22.2ch is channel-based, there is no metadata. Therefore, it is necessary to attach metadata to each signal and allocate the signals according to the standard.
Yamamoto : I see, you're doing something quite complicated.
Once this processing is done on the Miyamoto DMR-ZR1 side, the AV center will process it as a static object Dolby Atmos.
Yamamoto :In any case, the DMR-ZR1 is truly a perfect product.
I believe that the Kono DMR-ZR1 is the culmination of 16 years of Blu-ray DIGA. It may be a bit presumptuous to say this, but I believe that this is the result of friendly competition among Japanese audiovisual manufacturers.
Yamamoto : That's a nice thing to say (lol). But next time, I'll be in trouble unless they make a product that surpasses the DMR-ZR1. There are still many requests from users, such as HDMI 2.1 compatibility and the ability to record 8K broadcasts, so I would like to see such developments.
Kono : Yes, there are still things I need to think about, so I will continue to do my best.
*Continue next time (scheduled to be released on August 9th)
Image: We carefully listened to the UHD Blu-ray and recorded content recommended by Mr. Yamamoto. I'll share that impression next time!
We listened carefully to the UHD Blu-ray and recorded content recommended by Mr. Yamamoto. I'll share that impression next time!
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Last edited by lxy172733823; 29th Nov 2023 at 17:54.
Can someone "dumb" the last post so it can be understand by those of us that don't have degrees in Engineering?
Yes, you are absolutely correct. The Verbatim BD-RE DL 50GB which I used to burn for the 1080p BD folders plays very smoothly without any hiccups. Yes, I use Nero software and Pioneer blu-ray drive to burn the disc.
I will definitely buy the Verbatim BD-RE XL 100GB and try it to see the difference. Thank you for letting me know this, otherwise I would think it could be the issue of DMR-ZR1 itself.
Do you know any reliable brands for BD-RE XL 100GB, because it's rewritable, that's the reason why I use BD-RE disc to burn 4k BD folders, because one disc can be used to play multiple times of 4k UHD Blu-ray movies.
But I don't see BD-RE XL 100GB from verbatim. Only the brands like Panasonic, Sony have BDXL 100GB for sale, not verbatim. Is Panasonic better than Sony, I may try Panasonic.
For the BD-RE DL 50GB, there's no problem for the player to play smoothly, I just cannot figure out why it is happening on the BD-RE XL 100GB, I will buy one Panasonic BD-RE XL 100GB for testing to see if this issue still exists, if it is then it could be the problem of the player itself.