BluRay Player with BDXL Support

[Bon Javi]

Hello.

Write to see if anyone has been able to verify the following:

When I bought my DP-UB450 a few months ago, I did not connect it to the Internet under any circumstances to prevent any updates. This fact is due to the fear that a new update will spoil the reading of BDXL Discs.

I just checked that this year 2023 they released a new update. The version is 1.21. Has anyone been able to verify if with this version there are no changes when playing BDXL Disc?


All the best.

[sam298]

I updated to the latest version 1.21. BD-XL discs plays fine. I haven't connected it to internet either. But I think the bdxl capabilities can't be patched by software.

[Bon Javi]

I updated to the latest version 1.21. BD-XL discs plays fine. I haven't connected it to internet either. But I think the bdxl capabilities can't be patched by software.

Hello!

Do you believe? Oh! What a panic. I have to be 5000% sure, not just 100%. I can't play with this.


Greetings

[C.C. 95]

Hello.

Write to see if anyone has been able to verify the following:

When I bought my DP-UB450 a few months ago, I did not connect it to the Internet under any circumstances to prevent any updates. This fact is due to the fear that a new update will spoil the reading of BDXL Discs.

I just checked that this year 2023 they released a new update. The version is 1.21. Has anyone been able to verify if with this version there are no changes when playing BDXL Disc?


All the best.

Did you search to find out what the update is updating? Maybe the update is just some non-important stuff that you don't need. If you are happy with everything the player is doing- why risk an update that only adds some superfluous stuff you don't need, and possibly breaks things you DO need? It reminds me of a rule of thumb that people in the Plex community have always said- don't update unless absolutely necessary.

[Bon Javi]

Hello.

Write to see if anyone has been able to verify the following:

When I bought my DP-UB450 a few months ago, I did not connect it to the Internet under any circumstances to prevent any updates. This fact is due to the fear that a new update will spoil the reading of BDXL Discs.

I just checked that this year 2023 they released a new update. The version is 1.21. Has anyone been able to verify if with this version there are no changes when playing BDXL Disc?


All the best.

Did you search to find out what the update is updating? Maybe the update is just some non-important stuff that you don't need. If you are happy with everything the player is doing- why risk an update that only adds some superfluous stuff you don't need, and possibly breaks things you DO need? It reminds me of a rule of thumb that people in the Plex community have always said- don't update unless absolutely necessary.

Hello.

My current version (I don't remember which one it is now), when you pause a movie and resume it after 5 minutes, it makes a strange jump, losing a few seconds of playback.

Not that it's too alarming. But if it could be solved, even better. Although obviously not at any cost.


Greetings

[sam298]

Panasonic only says stability of system in each update. Don't know what they fixed. I have 1.21 on mine and I am happy with it.

[C.C. 95]

It's a good idea to not have it connected to the internet at all. Back in the day, the Cinavia chips used to call home and recognize burned discs and make them unplayable.

[lxy172733823]

Yep. I burned a perfect ISO copy of the Kino Lorber Invasion of the Body Snatchers (100GB disc) to a BD-100 XL.
Caveat- sometimes the Oppo needs a few tries to load the disc. But once it does it plays fine- extras and everything.

1. ok but can it be bd rw or just bd r?

2. can you expand the recording you are recording iso not bdmv and certificate?

1. I have a Ritek 100GB BD-RW. have never had anything burn successfully on it. Maybe just a bad disc? Dunno. So I can't really answer that question about Rewritable 100GB Disc working or not.

2. Steps that I used to successfully burn and play a BDXL 100.
*Burner: LG WH16NS60 Mdisc connected by USB 2.0
Ripped 90GB movie with MakeMKV backup.
Burned with IMGburn 2x UDP 2.60 with verification.
Disc: VERBATIM Mdisc 100GB BDXL (5 pack jewel case box)
No pauses, stutters or freezes in playback. Perfect 1:1 copy played on Oppo 203.
burning the same film again with
1) Verbatim non-Mdisc 100GB BDXL
2) Non- Verbatim (cheaper off brand) 100GB BDXL
...also successful.
HDR and DOLBY VISION remained intact as well.

*I have since switched burners. LG is just too unreliable. Continuing failures on layer breaks with BD-DL. I now use a Pioneer BDR-XD08UMB-S.

My Blu-ray player is Panasonic DP-UB9000, I use SONY BD-RE XL 100GB to burn a full copy of "Pacific Rim" which is almost 90GB, then I tried to play it on my UB9000, it doesn't read the disc. In the user manual, it says that UB9000 only supports BD-RE DL and BD-R DL, which I burned a full copy of "The Walk" which is 40.6GB with a BD-R DL 50GB blank disc in which the UB9000 can play without any issues.
Another thing I don't understand is that why BD-RE XL 100GB is way more less expensive than the BD-R XL 100GB, if you look at AMAZON Japan website, you would find that Verbatim M-Disc – 5 X BD-R XL 100 GB costs at roughly $90 for 5 pack, whereas SONY's BD-RE XL 100GB 10 pack only cost at $55 which is a huge difference in price.
I don't know why no rewritable 100GB Blu-ray disc is more expensive than the rewritable counterpart.
I want to try BD-R XL 100GB to see if it can be played on my UB9000, as for the BD-RE XL 100GB, it doesn't work.

[C.C. 95]

Interesting. It has been said that the only player that will play BDXL is the Panasonic DMP-UB900. I would have suspected that the 9000 would have the same capability. Apparently not.
You may have luck just burning the BDXL up to 66GB. (Make sure your video file is no bigger than 66GB).

[lxy172733823]

Interesting. It has been said that the only player that will play BDXL is the Panasonic DMP-UB900. I would have suspected that the 9000 would have the same capability. Apparently not.
You may have luck just burning the BDXL up to 66GB. (Make sure your video file is no bigger than 66GB).

We may raise another question, for example, the movie "Pacific Rim" is roughly about 90GB, how can the Blu-ray player read it, let's say we buy this movie from Amazon, and the disc is made by 100GB blank Blu-ray disc, correct? Per the manual of UB9000, it doesn't support BD-R XL, how could UB9000 read the disc we buy. It's a paradox in which UB9000 can read commercial UHD 4k Blu-ray disc with 100GB but cannot read self-burnt BD-RE XL 100GB disc.
How do you think?

[C.C. 95]

The point is the layer break and the book-type of the disc. Blank madia SL or DL disc is 25 GB per layer. If your player recognizes a disc with 33,4 GB it won´t mach to a usual BD-R. The diffrence in book-type is BD-R and BD-ROM(Commercial Blu ray).
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/White_Paper_General_4th_20150817_clean.pdf
The difference is the layer size. Single/ double layer media with 25 GB per layer and BD XL (BD-RE TL) 33,4 GB per layer. If you e.g. only need 63GB for your project, the third layer is not used. The problems only appear when you exceed the 66.8 GB mark. The size specifications do not correspond to the real values (25 GB = approx. 23.3 GB and 33.4 GB = approx. 31.1 GB writable space)

My Oppo doesn't like the BDXL even if I use one layer of it. The 33.4GB per layer instead of 25GB just trips it up.

I got them to work for a short time- but it is just too twitchy. All the BDXLs that DID work at first, are coasters a month later.
Some people have gotten them to work by just using two layers of the BDXL up to 66GB- but I had no such luck. My player just doesn't like BDXL discs. And I suspect it is because of the book type and the 33.4GB per layer vs. the 25GB per layer standard.

[lxy172733823]

The point is the layer break and the book-type of the disc. Blank madia SL or DL disc is 25 GB per layer. If your player recognizes a disc with 33,4 GB it won´t mach to a usual BD-R. The diffrence in book-type is BD-R and BD-ROM(Commercial Blu ray).
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/White_Paper_General_4th_20150817_clean.pdf
The difference is the layer size. Single/ double layer media with 25 GB per layer and BD XL (BD-RE TL) 33,4 GB per layer. If you e.g. only need 63GB for your project, the third layer is not used. The problems only appear when you exceed the 66.8 GB mark. The size specifications do not correspond to the real values (25 GB = approx. 23.3 GB and 33.4 GB = approx. 31.1 GB writable space)

My Oppo doesn't like the BDXL even if I use one layer of it. The 33.4GB per layer instead of 25GB just trips it up.

I got them to work for a short time- but it is just too twitchy. All the BDXLs that DID work at first, are coasters a month later.
Some people have gotten them to work by just using two layers of the BDXL up to 66GB- but I had no such luck. My player just doesn't like BDXL discs. And I suspect it is because of the book type and the 33.4GB per layer vs. the 25GB per layer standard.

I see, but still there's a question that confuses me which is why blu-ray player can play commercial UHD 4K BD-100 disc and cannot play home burned BD-RE XL 100GB disc of which these two types of BD-100 disc should be the same. Or in another word, commercial UHD 4K BD-100 should be as the same as BD-R 100GB disc. What's your thoughts

[C.C. 95]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

[palestina]

There are currently only TWO Panasonics that play BDXL discs.
The UB900 (without DV)
The UB450 (with DV)
No other player does this.
I've had Oppo 203 and Cambridge, as well as LG and Panasonic UB820.
NONE has done it.
The recommendation is not to waste money on other players without what you want is to play BDXL.

[lxy172733823]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

Yes, that's right. My UB9000 manual says it only supports BD-RE DL or BD-R DL.
If you look at blu-ray.com there are a lot of movies descriptions, and it specifically describes what type of media the 4k UHD disc uses, and I have seen a lot of BD-100 type. Here is an example https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Pacific-Rim-4K-Blu-ray/151129/

[lxy172733823]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

How many layers of the 4K UHD BD-100 movie's disc do you think it could be, 2 layers or 3 layers?

[lxy172733823]

There are currently only TWO Panasonics that play BDXL discs.
The UB900 (without DV)
The UB450 (with DV)
No other player does this.
I've had Oppo 203 and Cambridge, as well as LG and Panasonic UB820.
NONE has done it.
The recommendation is not to waste money on other players without what you want is to play BDXL.

Yes, you are right, or another option is to split the m2ts file that exceed 70GB into two parts which is less than 50GB each in which they can be burned with a 50GB disc

[lxy172733823]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

Have you tried to split m2ts file that exceed 70GB into two parts in which we can burn it into two BD-50 discs. I don't know if this is doable, please advise, thank you

[Seeker47]

Just came across this discussion now. I have an Oppo 95 and an Oppo 103D. Thus far, I've not tried any (undamaged) commercial BR discs that they would not play. Or have I just been lucky ?

[lxy172733823]

Just came across this discussion now. I have an Oppo 95 and an Oppo 103D. Thus far, I've not tried any (undamaged) commercial BR discs that they would not play. Or have I just been lucky ?

I think it's not because of luck, the commercial Blu-ray disc should normally paly in various Blu-ray player unless they are damaged, but if not, they should be normally played. Home burned Blu-ray disc is another case

[Seeker47]

Are these top Panasonic models still actively for sale on the market, or only available used on eBay ? The initial info I was seeing for the DMP-UB900 seemed to indicate that it was a 2016 model. (And we are well aware how Oppo disappeared from the market.) I'd have no interest in today's models if they got dumbed down on features or performance, chasing a lower price point.

[Seeker47]

To be perfectly candid here, I seldom have enough reason to buy a commercial BR disc, and the demise of the Netflix disc service means that I'll be playing them a lot less often. Day to day, I'm mainly using the USB port on my Oppo decks, to play .MKV and other video files off of portable HDD or flashdrive. Their array of playback controls for this are very convenient, very good. I'd take the video to another playback device like the Nvidia Shield, only for those incompatible format video files that won't play via the Oppo. (Of course, these decks also play DVDs, of which I have a considerable library.)

[C.C. 95]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

How many layers of the 4K UHD BD-100 movie's disc do you think it could be, 2 layers or 3 layers?

BDXL 100 is 3 layers.
Yes, it would be very easy to split an m2ts file into 2 parts and burn two discs.
Yes, there are a lot of 4K films that are on BD66 rather than BD100. Depends on the film. Some films don't have a bitrate that demands BD100.
But- most of Kino Lorber's 4K releases are BD100 discs. Blu-ray.com tends to list the media used for each movie on their website (very helpful).
https://files.videohelp.com/u/291427/IMG_9903.jpeg
Another option is to use a program like DVDfab (which I use)- where it allows you to copy the 100GB BDXL to BD50.
You will lose quite a bit of bitrate, but it also allows you to "trim the fat" (foreign audio tracks you don't need, or just do "movie only" and jettison all the extras. Note: *the HDR and DV will remain intact. And if you do "full copy" all the menus and extras remain).
It;s not the best solution, but if you don't like the idea of splitting the file onto two discs....

Or maybe spring for the Panasonic UB450. It could be your BDXL-only player. (If I remember correctly, OG list rpice on that was originally about $200).

[lxy172733823]

To be perfectly candid here, I seldom have enough reason to buy a commercial BR disc, and the demise of the Netflix disc service means that I'll be playing them a lot less often. Day to day, I'm mainly using the USB port on my Oppo decks, to play .MKV and other video files off of portable HDD or flashdrive. Their array of playback controls for this are very convenient, very good. I'd take the video to another playback device like the Nvidia Shield, only for those incompatible format video files that won't play via the Oppo. (Of course, these decks also play DVDs, of which I have a considerable library.)

For playing the original copy of 4k BD files such m2ts file, I only use Nvidia Shield to play, I have a Samsung 8TB solid state drive specifically for the original BD copies, and plug it into the Nvidia Shield for playback.

[gantz]

As far as I know only UB9000 (Japan) can support BD-XL.

[lxy172733823]

That would seem to make sense, wouldn't it? Maybe someone can chime in with the technical reasons why not.
snippet from the internet:

"only pressed media is covered by the UHD Blu-ray spec. Burned media is also physically different from pressed media and the maximum bitrate supported by burned media is lower.
BD-XL has 3 or 4 layers but most UHD Blu-ray players can only read the first 2 layers (about 60-66 GB) if they read it at all. If you look at your UHD player's manual to see what kinds of burned media are listed as playable, BD-XL will probably not be listed. The supported burned media will all be single-layer or dual-layer."

How many layers of the 4K UHD BD-100 movie's disc do you think it could be, 2 layers or 3 layers?

BDXL 100 is 3 layers.
Yes, it would be very easy to split an m2ts file into 2 parts and burn two discs.
Yes, there are a lot of 4K films that are on BD66 rather than BD100. Depends on the film. Some films don't have a bitrate that demands BD100.
But- most of Kino Lorber's 4K releases are BD100 discs. Blu-ray.com tends to list the media used for each movie on their website (very helpful).
https://files.videohelp.com/u/291427/IMG_9903.jpeg
Another option is to use a program like DVDfab (which I use)- where it allows you to copy the 100GB BDXL to BD50.
You will lose quite a bit of bitrate, but it also allows you to "trim the fat" (foreign audio tracks you don't need, or just do "movie only" and jettison all the extras. Note: *the HDR and DV will remain intact. And if you do "full copy" all the menus and extras remain).
It;s not the best solution, but if you don't like the idea of splitting the file onto two discs....

Or maybe spring for the Panasonic UB450. It could be your BDXL-only player. (If I remember correctly, OG list rpice on that was originally about $200).

One question, Which software do you recommend for splitting m2ts file, I haven't found a good and easy to use one. Please give some recommendations. Please adivse
Another thing, Since I know that UB9000 cannot play BD-RE XL 100GB, I may want to try BD-R XL 100GB, but BD-R XL 100GB is way more expensive than its RE counterpart which I still cannot understand why the one-time media is more expensive than the rewritable media.

[sam298]

If you are ripping UHD to m2ts or mkv files, it is not worth to burn it to optical discs. M2ts can't have subtitles, multiple audio or chapters. Use makemkv to make a copy to your hard drive and use Nvidia shield, bd player or zidoo to play it back. Reading mkv/m2ts from usb will be smoother than from optical discs.
If you want an untouched uhd disc copy with bonus features (or you can remove bonus features using program like dvdfab), get ub450 and burn it using recommended usb bdxl burners.

[lxy172733823]

If you are ripping UHD to m2ts or mkv files, it is not worth to burn it to optical discs. M2ts can't have subtitles, multiple audio or chapters. Use makemkv to make a copy to your hard drive and use Nvidia shield, bd player or zidoo to play it back. Reading mkv/m2ts from usb will be smoother than from optical discs.
If you want an untouched uhd disc copy with bonus features (or you can remove bonus features using program like dvdfab), get ub450 and burn it using recommended usb bdxl burners.

For now, I'm using VLC player installed in Nvidia Shield to play m2ts file copying from original BD disc, in which I choose what type of audio I want and choose any subtitle. In other words, m2ts file includes all audio tracks and all subtitles. I think that for the hard drive stored UHD BD movies, I will keep using Nvidia Shield to play which is very convenient. It will be extremely expensive to burn these movies to the BD-100 media, which is not worth it, instead, I can just buy UHD movies from Amazon which costs way less than burning a BD-100 disc.

[4kblurayguru]

You can't rip a UHD disc, burn to BDXL and play it in a UHD BD player. Why does this need so many pages to say that?

why blu-ray player can play commercial UHD 4K BD-100 disc and cannot play home burned BD-RE XL 100GB disc of which these two types of BD-100 disc should be the same.

because set top players aren't programmed to play bdxl discs

commercial UHD 4K BD-100 should be as the same as BD-R 100GB disc.

they're not, as explained in the white papers.
https://blu-raydisc.info/format-spec/r3-spec.php

now, if you want to encode and author your own HD/4K video so that it plays back on BD players then that's easy.

[lxy172733823]

You can't rip a UHD disc, burn to BDXL and play it in a UHD BD player. Why does this need so many pages to say that?

why blu-ray player can play commercial UHD 4K BD-100 disc and cannot play home burned BD-RE XL 100GB disc of which these two types of BD-100 disc should be the same.

because set top players aren't programmed to play bdxl discs

commercial UHD 4K BD-100 should be as the same as BD-R 100GB disc.

they're not, as explained in the white papers.
https://blu-raydisc.info/format-spec/r3-spec.php

now, if you want to encode and author your own HD/4K video so that it plays back on BD players then that's easy.

Based on what you mentioned, what type of disc do the commercial UHD 4k movies use, because some of the movies exceed 90GB which must use disc that has the compacity of 100GB to make. If the discs they use are different from BD-R XL 100GB, then what type of disc could be, because the BD players can play these discs.