Can you install windows without a ps/2 mouse or keyboard

[adamf154]

Hi, i was just wondering if the title was possible, ive just built a new pc and it only has one ps/2 slot and all my keyboards and mice are ps/2 but ive got adaptors for the mouse but the keayboard doesn't work in them so that is connected to the ps/2 slot but ive bought a new usb mouse and usb keybaord but what ive noticed is that when you try to install windows, any usb slot is totally disabled, only the ps/2 slot is working but you really need the mouse to be connected to that to get windows finished and your mb disk installed so everything works, ive enabled some stuff in bios, which i think makes the usb slots work to start with so you can actually get into bios, but when it comes to finalising the install of windows both usb devises go off, so if you dont have a ps/2 device or for some reason it doesn't work can you actually install windows

Thanks in advance for any answers

[Moralez]

What motherboard do you have?
I just build a system with an ASRock Z270 Extreme 4 and Win 10 Pro x64 and I didn't encounter your problems when installing the OS.
I have a new Logitech USB MK120 combo and everything worked great.
My motherboard only has USB 3.0 on the I/O panel, no problem.

[adamf154]

well ive built 2 one is an am4 ga-ab350m-gaming 3 and the other one is am3, im sure i had the same problem on both, ive partitioned the hard drive into 2 sets of windows as i like windows 10 but the homegroup and networks dont really work with other pc's so i cant transfer files from one to the other, so i use that for playing games as some of the newer games are only windows 10, and i have windows 7 which i use for everything else, i have another hd with all my files, i only play games at the weekend, so its no bother switching

[usually_quiet]

The Windows 7 installer doesn't have a built-in driver for USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 Gen 2, so it supports only USB 2.0 devices. Are you by chance using the USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 Gen 2 for the keyboard? Also, that motherboard is for Ryzen CPUs, which are not officially supported for Windows 7.

Maybe using this image updater would help: https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/384921-Windows-7-Image-Updater-SkyLake-KabyLake-Co...n-Threadripper

[adamf154]

well i tried evey usb slot, i have a a10 processor but i think it might just be windows 7, as the usb mouse worked when installing windows 10 and it was a clean install

[usually_quiet]

well i tried evey usb slot, i have a a10 processor but i think it might just be windows 7, as the usb mouse worked when installing windows 10 and it was a clean install

AMD and Microsoft both decided not to support the use of Windows 7 with Ryzen CPUs and Bristol Ridge APUs, or any other AM4 processors that may arrive later.

The Windows 7 USB issue is related to the new processors and chipsets. For an explanation or your problem see: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11182/how-to-get-ryzen-working-on-windows-7-x64

[adamf154]

yeah its all complicated, as long as the ps/2 port works ill be fine for now just wanted to know what others thought as there is alot of posts about it but no real answers but i like the way windows 10 looks but untill the homegroup or networking issues are fixed ill be using windows 7, and win 10 for playing the games

[redwudz]

I've had to use a PS2 mouse a few times when installing W7 on some newer motherboards.
But PS2 ports are getting a bit rare, as are PS2 KBs and mouses.

My Ryzen PC had no problem with a USB mouse. But I installed W10 Pro on it.
As long as the basic USB drivers load in BIOS, usually OK for OS installs.
USB 2 or 1.1 are normally backward compatible with USB 3 ports.

If your Ryzen MB is similar to mine, the PS2 port is a dual green/purple mouse/KB port,
though I haven't seen an adapter that would let both be used at the same time.

[october262]

Hi, i was just wondering if the title was possible, ive just built a new pc and it only has one ps/2 slot and all my keyboards and mice are ps/2 but ive got adaptors for the mouse but the keayboard doesn't work in them so that is connected to the ps/2 slot but ive bought a new usb mouse and usb keybaord but what ive noticed is that when you try to install windows, any usb slot is totally disabled, only the ps/2 slot is working but you really need the mouse to be connected to that to get windows finished and your mb disk installed so everything works, ive enabled some stuff in bios, which i think makes the usb slots work to start with so you can actually get into bios, but when it comes to finalising the install of windows both usb devises go off, so if you dont have a ps/2 device or for some reason it doesn't work can you actually install windows

Thanks in advance for any answers

would something like this work - https://www.ebay.com/itm/DB9-DB-9-Female-PS-2-MDIN6-Mini-DIN-Female-Mouse-Keyboard-Ada...8AAOSwA~VaQjRe

or this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-VGA-SVGA-KVM-Switch-Box-PS-2-Devices-Share-Video-Mouse....c100005.m1851

[usually_quiet]

would something like this work - https://www.ebay.com/itm/DB9-DB-9-Female-PS-2-MDIN6-Mini-DIN-Female-Mouse-Keyboard-Ada...8AAOSwA~VaQjRe

I did some Googling and it appears that Windows 7 includes drivers for serial mice, but most new motherboards I have seen don't include an external serial port connection. More have a COM header, but then one of these is needed to add a serial port: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/DB9-DB25/9-pin-Serial-to-10-pin-H...ches~PLATE9M16

or this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-VGA-SVGA-KVM-Switch-Box-PS-2-Devices-Share-Video-Mouse....c100005.m1851

A KVM allows 2 PCs to share the same mouse and keyboard, so it won't be helpful.

Adding the missing USB drivers to the installation media should fix adamf154's problem by allowing the use of USB keyboards and mice. That is part of what Windows 7 Image Updater does. (The other part of what it does is install Windows 7 updates with the PC offline.)

[october262]

ok, then this should work then - https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyboard-Splitter-Adapter-KYC1MF/dp/B000067SLZ/ref=sr_...2706529&sr=8-1

[adamf154]

ok, then this should work then - https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyboard-Splitter-Adapter-KYC1MF/dp/B000067SLZ/ref=sr_...2706529&sr=8-1

Ha ha not thats what iv been lookng for, they are all usually usb ones, there is also this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Startech-Usb-To-Ps-2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Converter-Adapte...cAAOSwh21aZGsy

[october262]

ok, then this should work then - https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyboard-Splitter-Adapter-KYC1MF/dp/B000067SLZ/ref=sr_...2706529&sr=8-1

Ha ha not thats what iv been lookng for, they are all usually usb ones, there is also this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Startech-Usb-To-Ps-2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Converter-Adapte...cAAOSwh21aZGsy

so is the one in the link that i posted going to work for you ??

[usually_quiet]

Ha ha not thats what iv been lookng for, they are all usually usb ones, there is also this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Startech-Usb-To-Ps-2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Converter-Adapte...cAAOSwh21aZGsy

The PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Splitter has a much better chance of allowing someone to use a single PS/2 port to connect both a keyboard and a mouse at the same time. Anything that feeds the signal from a PS/2 keyboard or mouse through a USB connection on the motherboard is a waste of money if USB on the motherboard isn't working.

If someone needs to change a USB keyboard or mouse to a PS/2 Keyboard or mouse, there are these. The only difference between them is the color. [Edit] I just found out that a USB keyboard won't work with the adapters below unless it is both USB and PS/2 compliant, making the adapters a replacement in the event someone lost the adapter originally provided with their keyboard.[End Edit]

To change a USB keyboard to a PS/2 keyboard: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/PS-2-Cables/Replacement-USB-to-PS...r-FM~GC46FMKEY

To change a USB mouse to a PS/2 mouse: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/PS-2-Cables/Replacement-USB-Mouse...to-Male~GC46FM

[adamf154]

ok, then this should work then - https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyboard-Splitter-Adapter-KYC1MF/dp/B000067SLZ/ref=sr_...2706529&sr=8-1

Ha ha not thats what iv been lookng for, they are all usually usb ones, there is also this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Startech-Usb-To-Ps-2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Converter-Adapte...cAAOSwh21aZGsy

so is the one in the link that i posted going to work for you ??

That prob would work but as long as ive got a ps/2 mouse ill be fine, its just for future reference, just wanted to find out more about it, and as long as the ps/2 works ill be ok, but it just seems to be windows 7 that has the prob, but the mb is brand new so the ps/2 should last for a long time to come and you dont really neeed the keyboard until the mb disk is installed, and i use the onboard one when i need to type my name and stuff, its just a pain, but ill be buying usb keyboards if i need them and ill keep a ps/2 mouse, and ill just have to go to windows 10 if i really had no option

[adamf154]

Ha ha not thats what iv been lookng for, they are all usually usb ones, there is also this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Startech-Usb-To-Ps-2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-Converter-Adapte...cAAOSwh21aZGsy

The PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Splitter has a much better chance of allowing someone to use a single PS/2 port to connect both a keyboard and a mouse at the same time. Anything that feeds the signal from a PS/2 keyboard or mouse through a USB connection on the motherboard is a waste of money if USB on the motherboard isn't working.

If someone needs to change a USB keyboard or mouse to a PS/2 Keyboard or mouse, there are these. The only difference between them is the color. [Edit] I just found out that a USB keyboard won't work with the adapters below unless it is both USB and PS/2 compliant, making the adapters a replacement in the event someone lost the adapter originally provided with their keyboard.[End Edit]

To change a USB keyboard to a PS/2 keyboard: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/PS-2-Cables/Replacement-USB-to-PS...r-FM~GC46FMKEY

To change a USB mouse to a PS/2 mouse: https://www.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/PS-2-Cables/Replacement-USB-Mouse...to-Male~GC46FM

i bought a couple of the green ones the other week, thinking that both the keyboard and mouse would work from it, but its just the mouse that works and i looked back to the order and it does says for a mouse but there is other green ones that people are seeling that are exactly the same as the ones i bought that they say work with both keyboard and mouse, but i haven't seen the purple ones until i checked the other day when i realised the green ones didn't work but im going to buy usb keyboards from now on and stick with ps/2 mice for the moment, but ill always have one incase i need to format the drive again, but once windows 10 sorts out it homegroup networking problem i dont mind upgrading to that on the other pc's

[pandy]

Socket colour (PS/2) is important - green for mouse, magenta for keyboard - if there is single socket it can be dual color so support both devices (not sure if at the same time with help of some splitter/muxer usually not provided with MB). One of my mobo's (Z77 Extreme 4) has this socket but IMHO PS/2 is waste of resources (Interrupts are precious and in case of PS/2 active, two interrupts are used for KB and for mouse separately). You can use one of wireless mouse + KB solutions - they use single USB port. It may be necessary to enable in config/setup (called sometimes incorrectly BIOS) support for legacy devices on USB, use USB2 (black) not USB3 (blue) socket. More or less didn't observe any issues with USB KB and mouse with modern (since Pentium 4) motherboards. Perhaps simply support for legacy devices is turned off in your case.

And to address your question - it is possible fully automatic Windows installation - just search for "unattended" Windows installation (one of first in Google http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-create-unattended-windows-7-installation-setup/ ) - physically you can even push preconfigured/preinstalled/preactivated image on your storage or even boot remotely by using PXE technology. And lastly - first try to boot with use of the Windows PE (can be 7 but i strongly advise latest 10) environment i.e. boot special limited Windows from flash stick (thumbdrive) - perhaps this will help you to check if your HW is connected correctly and works. You can find PE ISO images without problems (legal for every legal Windows, you can build your own PE environment if you wish but why bother if someone done this already). To write ISO on thumbdrive you can use very nice tool called Rufus https://rufus.akeo.ie/ .

I would be very careful with those USB to PS/2 converters if they are passive - passive mean that Keyboard or Mouse must detect and support both types of connection (USB and PS/2) - some older mouses and keyboards (Pentium 4 times) may work fine when new USB devices may not work or can do some damage at extreme cases. To be honest instead trying to use PS/2 socket and devices i would rather focus on making USB connectivity.