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    Hello guys, basically, i've come to idea to make something, but i need your help to accomplish that

    I got "my neighbor totoro" DVD version and blu ray rip version
    DVD version got old english dub (better one) and blu ray rip has japannese and english re-dub (disney)

    i wanna add dvd's version audio to blu ray one

    I already converted dvd to mkv, and got the audio track with MKVExtractGUI-2

    blu ray rip -23.976 (24000/1001) FPS

    dvd version - 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS

    now how to add that dvd's version audio to BR and also do a little sync here and there to make it perfect

    My first idea was to do it with premier or sony vegas, but they dont support mkv files

    any help?
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  2. You want to finish with one Japanese language track and two English dub tracks? One can only wonder why.

    Are the Blu-Ray and DVD versions both the same? Same number of frames, same length? If so, have you already tried to add in the DVD English audio? If not, why not? If you already did, how is the synch? Good? Off by the same amount all the way through? Starts in synch and gradually goes out of synch? In synch for awhile and then suddenly goes out of synch?

    The fact the Blu-Ray is 23.976fps leads me to guess you won't have any problem.
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    Originally Posted by manono View Post
    You want to finish with one Japanese language track and two English dub tracks? One can only wonder why.
    yes, well because they didnt make a blu ray with original voice dub, also i like to make little projects of my own here and there
    Are the Blu-Ray and DVD versions both the same? Same number of frames, same length? If so, have you already tried to add in the DVD English audio? If not, why not? If you already did, how is the synch? Good? Off by the same amount all the way through? Starts in synch and gradually goes out of synch? In synch for awhile and then suddenly goes out of synch?
    dvd version is 4 seconds longer, but intro songs at dvd starts at 17 secs and on blu ray its starts on 11 secs

    DVD version
    Code:
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    ID in the original source medium         : 224 (0xE0)
    Format                                   : MPEG Video
    Format version                           : Version 2
    Format profile                           : Main@Main
    Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
    Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
    Format settings, picture structure       : Frame
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG2
    Codec ID/Info                            : MPEG 1 or 2 Video
    Duration                                 : 1 h 26 min
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 4 974 kb/s
    Maximum bit rate                         : 7 000 kb/s
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 480 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
    Frame rate mode                          : Constant
    Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
    Standard                                 : NTSC
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Interlaced
    Scan order                               : Top Field First
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.480
    Time code of first frame                 : 01:00:00;00
    Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
    GOP, Open/Closed                         : Closed
    Stream size                              : 3.00 GiB (96%)
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : No
    Forced                                   : No
    blu ray version
    Code:
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, RefFrames               : 5 frames
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration                                 : 1 h 26 min
    Bit rate                                 : 3 720 kb/s
    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
    Height                                   : 688 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 1.85:1
    Frame rate mode                          : Constant
    Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.176
    Stream size                              : 2.18 GiB (67%)
    Writing library                          : x264 core 125 r2200 999b753
    Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3720 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No

    no, i havent tried getting audio track in cause i know it will be out of sync, even if i cut first 6 secs out of an DVD version, to make both version start at same time in intro song cause of differences in fps, that is logical to me, or i am wrong?
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  4. Maybe. Conversion between 24/1.001 fps and 30/1.001 fps is typically done via (inverse) telecine. The speed/duration does not change! Instead fields are removed/duplicated as needed. So only cutting/delaying the first seconds could actually prove successful. But of course there could be other differences (e.g. like cinema vs. director's cut). Just try it.
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    You could insert both tracks into an audio editor like Adobe Audition in multitrack mode and visually inspect the 2 tracks for variances. In that program you can speed up or slow down a track without affecting the pitch.
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  6. I think I'd start by delaying the audio by that -6 second difference and see if it's in synch. I think sneaker suggested the same. That would be the easiest solution. Everything else will be much much harder.

    ...or i am wrong?
    Yes, you're wrong. They may not wind up in synch after trying it out with that 6 second difference figured in, but the framerate differences won't be the reason. As sneaker also mentioned.
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    Allright guys, ty for quick replies, i am going to try it today when i'll have some free time
    Will post the results
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    Also, is there a software that can i trim and dont require re-encoding for quality loss?
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  9. If it's the audio you're referring to, then DelayCut is what you want.
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    Thank you, will try it later
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  11. Or simply Mkvtoolnix (GUI) since you need to mux anyways. Add both mkv files. Disable DVD video track (and other tracks you don't want to keep). Delay DVD audio track by "-6000" (ms). Mux.
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    Thank you very much, working fine, audio is fine till the end, only thing i also did is for dvd audio on compresion i stated "no extra compresion" instead "determine automaticly", i assume i did right?

    well i did more testing now, at start there is sooooo small delay, could see it if you really pay close attention, but as movie goes on sync gets more accurate,
    I wont fix that small delay cause its hard to spot it, anyways, thanks again, both of you!
    Last edited by Destinyg133; 11th Jul 2017 at 01:19.
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  13. Originally Posted by Destinyg133 View Post
    only thing i also did is for dvd audio on compresion i stated "no extra compresion" instead "determine automaticly", i assume i did right?
    No difference. Just leave at auto. Mkvtoolnix only automatically activates extra compression for certain subtitle formats. (and the compression is lossless anyways)
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    Well since it worked, i assume this can go to lock
    thanks again
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