Ripping my Star Wars DVD trilogy with MakeMKV - many subtitles and 3 angles

[Human]

I found my Star Wars Trilogy DVD set and ripped A New Hope first. I left everything default except I unchecked angle 2 and angle 3. I am confused as to what these means and from googling I found a post linked to this very forum. One user says it's different angles of the movie which makes no sense. Another says it has to do with language which also makes no sense.

So I ripped the movie and watched the whole thing. Other than some close up shots, it's not bad for DVD quality! One thing I noticed was there was no alien subtitles, like for the Greedo and Han dialogue. After I finished the movie I went back to that scene and tried all 3 English subtitles. Eng sub 1 was subtitles for all dialogue. Eng sub 2 was alien subtitles. Eng sub 3 was also alien subtitles but there was one difference. At the Jabba scene it said "Lucas" at the top briefly while Jabba calls out for solo . The French and Spanish subtitles were only for the alien dialogue. There were also 2 unchecked DD Stereo English tracks. Could that be commentary? Why would it be unchecked by default?

[sneaker]

At the start of Star Wars movies there's this yellow text scrolling through space. Different angles are to have this text in different languages.

[Human]

At the start of Star Wars movies there's this yellow text scrolling through space. Different angles are to have this text in different languages.

Ok so the opening crawl is in a different language. That's it? Because I ripped the audio tracks for French and Spanish on angle 1 and they work fine. What exactly does angle mean here?

[manono]

What exactly does angle mean here?

It means the same here as it does for any other DVD with angles. All or part of it are different depending on the angle chosen. In this case (Disney does it as well with the Ghibli Studio anime's on DVD I've seen), only the opening scroll is different while the rest of the film is identical. So, if you were to open the DVD in something like VobBlanker, you could easily discover three different openings while the rest is all the same.

It has nothing to do with the audio. Although different angles might have different default audios, you can usually choose any audio to play along with any angle.

You should be a little bit more careful when making statements about things you don't understand:

One user says it's different angles of the movie which makes no sense. Another says it has to do with language which also makes no sense.

[Human]

What exactly does angle mean here?

It means the same here as it does for any other DVD with angles. All or part of it are different depending on the angle chosen. In this case (Disney does it as well with the Ghibli Studio anime's on DVD I've seen), only the opening scroll is different while the rest of the film is identical. So, if you were to open the DVD in something like VobBlanker, you could easily discover three different openings while the rest is all the same.

It has nothing to do with the audio. Although different angles might have different default audios, you can usually choose any audio to play along with any angle.

You should be a little bit more careful when making statements about things you don't understand:

One user says it's different angles of the movie which makes no sense. Another says it has to do with language which also makes no sense.

Um really? I should be careful when making statements I don't understand. No I don't understand that's why I made the topic..?

[manono]

Don't be silly. Not understanding something someone says isn't the same as it making no sense. You could simply have said you didn't understand, but you didn't. Instead, you belittled the people making the statements, and it turns out they were right.

I'm assuming English is your first language. If it isn't, then maybe you can be forgiven for it.

[JVRaines]

If I may interrupt the etiquette lesson…

angle - In DVD-Video, a specific view of a scene, usually recorded from a certain camera angle. Different angles can be chosen while viewing the scene.
(from DVD Demystified Glossary)

The designers of DVD-Video anticipated that this feature would provide the ability to jump around to different camera angles. It can be used in other ways, such as providing a different opening crawl.

[manono]

Okay, but I've seen it used for what the Star Wars films use it for much more often than just for showing the same scene from a different camera angle. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen a choice to view a scene from a different camera angle, although I'm sure there are DVDs using angles for that. In this context, I think the Wikipedia definition is more relevant:

Chapters and angles
DVD Video may contain chapters for easy navigation (and continuation of a partially watched film). If space permits, it is also possible to include several versions (called "angles") of certain scenes, though today this feature is mostly used – if at all – not to show different angles of the action, but as part of internationalization to, for example, show different language versions of images containing written text, if subtitles will not do (e. g., the Queen's spell book in Snow White, and the scrolling text in the openings of the Star Wars films).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video#Chapters_and_angles

And, of course there are other uses for angles and seamless branching, such as alternate endings and director's cuts.

[Human]

Don't be silly. Not understanding something someone says isn't the same as it making no sense. You could simply have said you didn't understand, but you didn't. Instead, you belittled the people making the statements, and it turns out they were right.

I'm assuming English is your first language. If it isn't, then maybe you can be forgiven for it.

Don't be silly yet you come off as aggressive? Not understanding and not making sense to me is one in the same. I have never seen or heard of a DVD with this angle feature prior to making this thread. I can't see many director's ever using this feature, especially when they have a vision of how a shot should be done. It just sounds gimmicky. The only use of this feature I can think of my is maybe a concert DVD which had a lot of different camera shots. So in the Star Wars DVD all it changes is the opening crawl's language.

Does anyone know what those 2 unchecked DD stereo tracks are? I am thinking one is commentary and one is just the original audio in 2.0.

[manono]

Not understanding and not making sense to me is one in the same

Except that's not what you wrote.

I can't see many director's ever using this feature

Not the director, maybe, but the studio releasing the DVD. I've seen it lots of times and already mentioned other instances. The US has a large Spanish speaking population, hence the Spanish version and the Spanish dub track. US DVDs are usually sold in Canada which has a large French speaking population, hence the French version of the crawl and the French dub track.

Does anyone know what those 2 unchecked DD stereo tracks are? I am thinking one is commentary and one is just the original audio in 2.0.

I have the DVD and could go and check ... but ... no thanks. I suspect you're right in your thoughts about that, but there is sometimes (but rarely) a separate audio track of just the music. Can't you just play the DVD and find out? Or extract the two audio tracks and play them? You could have easily done it by now and figured it out for yourself.

I checked a review for you:

Viewers have the choice of a Dolby 5.1 or a Dolby 2.0 soundtrack for each film. (A dubbed Spanish 2.0 and French 2.0 track are also included.) While the Dolby 2.0 option is very good for a basic surround track, offering a clean and pleasing listening experience, the 5.1 is what you'll want to choose if you have the setup for it. English subtitles are also included.
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Each of the three films has a full audio commentary track: George Lucas, sound designer Ben Burtt, special-effects cameraman Dennis Muren, and Carrie Fisher participate in the commentaries for all three movies, with director Irvin Kershner also present for the commentary on The Empire Strikes Back.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/12228/star-wars-trilogy/

[Human]

lol not ever going to argue with you anymore. As for the language, as I said in one of my replies, it selected the French and Spanish audio tracks by itself. If I choose one of those audio tracks all the dialogue will be in one of those languages. The French and Spanish subtitles however are only for the alien language which is weird. Maybe if ripped angle 2 or 3 the French or Spanish track would default as the main language to match the angle. I will rip it again because I am curious how much space I will save by removing all but the English audio tracks. MakeMKV doesn't seem to show that when unchecking the boxes. Also you can't play these DVD's on Windows they have some sort of copy protection.

[manono]

Also you can't play these DVD's on Windows they have some sort of copy protection.

Of course you can. What are you using to play them? Try MPC-HC.

[anamandy]

Don't be silly. Not understanding something someone says isn't the same as it making no sense. You could simply have said you didn't understand, but you didn't. Instead, you belittled the people making the statements, and it turns out they were right.

I'm assuming English is your first language. If it isn't, then maybe you can be forgiven for it.

Don't be silly yet you come off as aggressive? Not understanding and not making sense to me is one in the same. I have never seen or heard of a DVD with this angle feature prior to making this thread. I can't see many director's ever using this feature, especially when they have a vision of how a shot should be done. It just sounds gimmicky. The only use of this feature I can think of my is maybe a concert DVD which had a lot of different camera shots. So in the Star Wars DVD all it changes is the opening crawl's language.

Does anyone know what those 2 unchecked DD stereo tracks are? I am thinking one is commentary and one is just the original audio in 2.0.

They could be for director comments or visually impaired, but don't count on that. The easiest way to find out for sure is to check it with the easy to use program dvd shrink after you've ripped the movie. Click full disk, choose the movie, and right click in the preview window. A list of the different audios show. Click on each one and play the movie (arrow) each time until you figure out which is the audio you want for the movie. You can either use shrink to back-up and then burn it to a program of your choosing or use the audio information off shrink to finish your movie whatever way you want. Hope this helps.