cinavia

[lingyi]

@GramdpaD

I'm curious as to the point of your posts on this thread and this one.

Are you calling for those affected by Cinavia to rally and follow your lead of preparing for an event may or may not occur (i.e. government mandated copy protection of private intellectual property and/or widespread use of Cinavia, which is currently in limited use)?

What would downloading the source code (where available) of Cinavia-free media players do for someone like me (and the vast majority) who have no knowledge of how to modify the code if necessary? Would you be ready to release your modified media player or offer the means for those less knowledgeable to make the necessary changes?

I see you raising a warning flag, but don't understand what you're seeking to accomplish by your posts.

Clarification is greatly appreciated!

[GrampaD]

Others have claimed that governments passing future DMCA-type laws ... Is hogwash, bollocks, b.s., whatever term you like. They must be in denial because on December 14, 2017 - just a couple of weeks ago - according to the many sites running that internet freedom widget - the U. S. Government passed sweeping laws granting large telecom and ip outfits like Verizon the power to throttle, censor, - possibly even adding cinavidia encoding on-the-fly to - data sent to end users. As for lowest common denominator laymen complaining that they dont know how to compile source code....as a geek and it pro, i have no sympathy for them. If they want a very easy one-click solution to the cinavidia problem, they can either just poney up and buy the media, pay exorbitant fees for stopgap solutions like dvdfab...or live without. Sorry. I would like to suggest a build of ffmpeg for all systems that would have an option - just like youtube-dl - that when invoked, would call a service. If same version, service reports a message. If service has latest binary, just download it. If service doesnt have latest binary for that platform, it downloads source code from ffmpeg site and compiles it. Maybe I will set that up after i graduate.

[usually_quiet]

Others have claimed that governments passing future DMCA-type laws ... Is hogwash, bollocks, b.s., whatever term you like. They must be in denial because on December 14, 2017 - just a couple of weeks ago - according to the many sites running that internet freedom widget - the U. S. Government passed sweeping laws granting large telecom and ip outfits like Verizon the power to throttle, censor, - possibly even adding cinavidia encoding on-the-fly to - data sent to end users.

That is not going to happen.

Repealing net neutrality allows ISPs to block or throttle traffic to/from some sources, but it doesn't give ISPs the right to alter data sent over the Internet by others.

Also, according to Verance, Cinavia was designed to be used on movies in theatrical release, DVD, Blu-ray, electronic sell-through, and VOD. Content distributors like Verizon could use Cinavia on content they supply if they wanted to well before net neutrality rules were repealed. ...but adding Cinavia copy protection isn't cheap, which is the main reason why it hasn't been used more often and another reason why it wouldn't be used indiscriminately.

[GrampaD]

Well...i know this is going to be a reply to one of the VIPs on this forum, so i risk getting deleted for this but...my reply, as ive replied repeatedly is....

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I have just finished up 3 Days poring over the entire collection of documents that Ed Snowden released to Wikileaks, examined some of the source code, and unsuccessfully applied for membership to the 0-day forum on the darknet. My conclusion is that everything they propose in the movie, "The Circle"...has already been implemented at Langley/FortMeade.

But thats getting off topic. Apologies.

[usually_quiet]

Well...i know this is going to be a reply to one of the VIPs on this forum, so i risk getting deleted for this but...my reply, as ive replied repeatedly is....

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[GrampaD]

uhm...wow. thanx, I will try in this forum. Apologies, I'm used to draconian-like strictness in forums such as stackexchange, XDK, and most facebook groups, where you reeaallyy have to watch what you post. In fact the number of rules at the stackexchange are so many that I've given up posting there; I don't wanna read the rules for an hour or so, there, just to ask a simple question.

Anyway, OK, maybe Cinavia is pricey - but to producers making films such as " the circle", which according to Wikipedia has grossed $40.6 million so far - according to this news item, an extra $5 million to the take I'm guessing could pay for Cinavia protection:

https://www.thewrap.com/movies-with-cinavia-anti-piracy-technology-make-10-percent-more-exclusive/

[usually_quiet]

Anyway, OK, maybe Cinavia is pricey - but to producers making films such as " the circle", which according to Wikipedia has grossed $40.6 million so far - according to this news item, an extra $5 million to the take I'm guessing could pay for Cinavia protection:

https://www.thewrap.com/movies-with-cinavia-anti-piracy-technology-make-10-percent-more-exclusive/

The study the article is based on was commissioned by Verance, the company responsible for Cinavia. It should be viewed with the same level of skepticism as a study funded by a tobacco company which found that smoking cigarettes is beneficial to one's health.

The article admitted that Cinavia is more likely to be used to protect movies that are expected to be heavily pirated -- meaning those which are predicted to be very popular. Popular movies by definition have a bigger box office take than a typical feature film.