Dvd rips fps

[BigGingerYeti]

Hi all, I'm making backups of my DVD's which include Simpsons, Futurama etc. I'm using Freemake, no problems with it, but I'm wondering if it is worth ripping them at higher FPS rates. Does it make a difference in quality? I'm not too bothered about file size, but is there any point in the first place or should I just stick to the original?

[LMotlow]

Hi all, I'm making backups of my DVD's which include Simpsons, Futurama etc. I'm using Freemake, no problems with it, but I'm wondering if it is worth ripping them at higher FPS rates.

Do you know what "fps" means?

[BigGingerYeti]

Frames per second.

[dannyboy48888]

Only a issue when you have interlaced material or hybrid content. If you just backing up to a storage system and dont care about size try makemkv. It leaves the streams alone and you won't have to worry about deinterlaing tivtc's etc.

[manono]

Maybe explain why you're considering increasing the framerate. To make the videos play faster so they'll be done more quickly? To throw the audio out of synch with the video?

[redwudz]

If you want better quality, try increasing the encoding bitrate, not the framerate. MakeMKV or similar would give you the best quality in a MKV container.

[BigGingerYeti]

Manono: I did explain.

Dannyboy & redwudz: Thank you, I used to use MakeMKV before but I can't remember why I stopped using it. I think it was because I wanted to see if there was any difference quality wise between MP4 and MKV and Freemake did both. But as FPS won't make any difference to quality I'll just leave it as is.

[dannyboy48888]

Glad to help, just remember freemake is a converter. so even if you pick MKV MP4 M2TS etc it still alters the video. MakeMKV just puts everything in a new container (MKV in this case) leaving the video unaltered. So it will literally copy as fast as you drive can read. On the Bluray side it does give the option to shrink lossless audio so you don't have a crazy huge file for nothing if you have "normal" speakers.

[BigGingerYeti]

Cool, thanks. I used MakeMKV for when I backed up Avatar and was happy with it.

[jagabo]

But as FPS won't make any difference to quality I'll just leave it as is.

FPS makes a lot of difference. Use the right FPS for the material you're ripping.

[BigGingerYeti]

But as FPS won't make any difference to quality I'll just leave it as is.

FPS makes a lot of difference. Use the right FPS for the material you're ripping.

i know that, that's why I asked, but the question is: The Simpsons was made at about 24fps (I think) would ripping it at, say, 60fps make any difference to the quality?

[_Al_]

---You can mess it up if frames are interpolated from 24p to 60p or any other frame rate, so you would not improve it.
---You can make it 60p by duplicating frames. It would look exactly the same like 24p, but it makes no sense, and it might not be as fluent because sometimes, here or there frames would not be duplicated, 60 is not divisible by 24.
---You can make 60i (60 half frames, not full frames) with telecine, this is done for DVD releases, during playback it gets transferred back to 24p. DVD store 60i content. You would not do this for sure.
---You do not have to change quality if simply assuming different frame rate, say 60p, so as a result, you'd speed up video, but of course, then you need to match audio length as well.
---There are special softwares that calculate missing frames from 24p to 60p, so as a result it would look smoother. This might be done if mixing different projects. Not sure why would you want to do that. Twixtor comes to mind and others.

So basically, most likely , you'd mess up your original 24p content. Not improve it at all. If simply interpolating 24p to 60p.

[BigGingerYeti]

Thanks AI. I'll just rip it as is.

[jagabo]

The Simpsons was made at about 24fps (I think) would ripping it at, say, 60fps make any difference to the quality?

The character animation was typically at 12 fps, scrolling backgrounds at 24 fps, filmed at 24 fps. The film was then telecined to 29.97 fps interlaced. Some shots were then slowed down or sped up slowed down to match dialog, music, aesthetics, etc. by duplicating or discarding frames/fields. The final broadcast and DVDs are 29.97 fps interlaced. The smoothest output from that is either to keep the interlaced video from the DVDs or to smart bob to 59.94 fps progressive.

[_Al_]

oh it is animation, listen to jagabo , what he recommends!

[BigGingerYeti]

[QUOTE=jagabo;2484696]

The final broadcast and DVDs are 29.97 fps interlaced. The smoothest output from that is either to keep the interlaced video from the DVDs or to smart bob to 59.94 fps progressive.

Sorry, 'smart bob'?

[jagabo]

Smart bob, like QTGMC() or Yadif(mode=1) in AviSynth.

[BigGingerYeti]

Smart bob, like QTGMC() or Yadif(mode=1) in AviSynth.

Um, whose a what now? You're slightly more pro than I, but I looked into it and get the general gist. That's a bit more advanced than I have considered. That's why I like Freemake and MakeMKV because they are pretty much a few clicks and it does it for you.

[jagabo]

Many other programs have smart bobbers. Handbrake's Bob filter, for instance.

The point is that the smoothest (but not perfectly smooth) output will be at 59.94 fields or frames per second. Because the underlying frame rate of the source varies.

[BigGingerYeti]

Yeah I tried Handbrake, but couldn't get it to work for some reason and I'm not that patient so went on to other programs.