Hi. I am looking to purchase a Hauppuage Colossus to record my Comcast/ Directv. I have a few questions before I make the purchase. First, what is the difference between the Colossus, and the Colossus 2? Is the 2nd one worth the extra $10? Second, can I use the IR blaster to auto change the channel, for the recording? Third, does it work with WMC, or Next PVR? Which is better?
Finally, is the Colossus even worth purchasing?
Sorry for all of the questions, but there aren't many topics on this.
Thank you in advance, and I appreciate any help!
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At one time (2014) I used a Colossus for recording from a Comcast cable box. I never owned a Colossus 2 and have never subscribed to DirecTV.
The Colossus II reportedly has the same encoder chip as the HD-PVR 2 and an HDMI-out (pass-through). The Colossus has a different encoder chip and a TBC for SD analog recording. (The TBC can be enabled via a hack, but I never tried to use it.) Either way, you'll still need a ViewHD VHD-1X2MN3D HDMI splitter or another splitter that removes HDCP. The splitter will also let you watch TV with the PC shut off. Both devices work with WMC and NextPVR. I mainly used NexPVR. I never used the Colossus' own remote and IR receiver/IR blaster. I already owned an MCE remote + IR receiver/IR blaster. I used the MCE IR reciever/IR blaster or Firewire (my HTPC has a Firewire port) to change channels on my cable box. One annoyance with the Hauppauge HD capture devices is the need to power cycle them every few days. If that isn't done, they don't operate correctly. Honestly, if you want to use a capture device to make recordings that do not require your provider's equipment to watch, you are still better off if you rent a PVR from your service provider, and re-record. It may take more than one try to get a good capture from a capture device.
In 2015 I returned cable box and uninstalled the Colossus. I currently use a Silicondust HDHomerun Prime CableCARD tuner for recording from Comcast. I rent an M-Card CableCARD from Comcast instead of a cable box. (Obviously this is not a solution for DirecTV.) The Silicondust HDHomerun Prime CableCARD tuner works with WMC and NextPVR. Fewer recordings fail than with the Colossus, and since I'm capturing original broadcast stream the quality couldn't be better. NextPVR works for everything other than copy-once channels, of which I have found only one in my package so far (MPLEX). Comcast tends to use copy-once mainly for premium channels like ShowTime and HBO. NextPVR does a better job handling consecutive recordings on the same channel than WMC. Tuning with WMC may be a little more reliable, and WMC is needed for recording copy-once, although recordings from copy-once channels are not portable. Silicondust is working on its own solution for recording copy-once channels on Windows 10 (requires a yearly subscription). I have tried Silicondust's free Windows 10 app for viewing copy-once channels. The app works well.
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Thanks for that info. It was a lot for me to understand, but I get idea.
I can't use a Silicondust, so I will have to use a capture card. From what I understood, the Colossus 1 and 2 are the same? Is any one preferable? What is the best solution for the IR blaster? Finally, in Nect pvr, is there a channel guide that you can use?
Sorry for all of my questions, and thanks for responding!
MCE IR-receiver/ir blaster, but the maker of that cable isn't in business anymore. I don't know where to get one now. Maybe this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/TiVo-to-DTA-Cable-Box-Infrared-IR-Direct-Connect-Cable-Replace...QAAOSw7aBVJGPl Also, they won't work with Hauppauge IR blaster/IR receiver port. You will need a USB MCE IR blaster/IR-blaster, and an MCE remote for it and an MCE remote. As I recall, the remotes that Hauppauge bundles with their products are incompatible with MCE receivers. This kit seems OK: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Infrared-Receiver-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00KDNIRYA/r
NextPVR's guide data. Currently the guide data for WMC is free, but its long-term availability is uncertain, given that Microsoft is very serious about getting users off of Windows 7 and Windows 8.1, and onto Windows 10. There is a third-party plug-in for WMC which can use Schedules Direct.
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Windows Media Center to configure channel changing with the MCE remote's IR receiver IR blaster function.Ignore list: hello_hello, tried, TechLord
My MCE remote is this one: Microsoft Media Center Learning Remote Controller
This IR receiver comes with two output ports labeled "1" and "2".
Isn't this your MCE IR receiver?
Is this set-up even worth it, then? If I can't use it for program scheduling? Is there a more simple setup? Why would I be disappointed about unattended recordings?
How long (in wiring) afre the IR blasters?
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Yes, I do understand that Directvs equipment would be better, but I would prefer this route. Here are my final (for now, ) questions.
Should I get the Colossus 1 or 2?
Will WinTv, WMC, or Next PVR be able to detect my DTV, Comcast tv channels, without any subscription? (Ex. Schedules direct)
How is the Hauppauge PVR 2 compared to the Colossus?
Thank you for all of your help, I really appreciate it.
Again, sorry for all of my questions!
I never tried WMC or NextPVR with a capture device and no guide data whatsoever. Assuming it is possible to do this, the set-up process will probably be inconvenient and quite tedious.
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In my experience with HD-PVR 2 I think your better option is Colossus 1 for a couple of reasons. It has better variable bitrate rate control and much higher max rate. I think it goes to 20 mbit. For Colossus 2 they clame on their site it's now limited to 12 which is even less than HD-PVR 2 that can go up to 14 Mbit max. Second I was disappointed with colors it reproduced compared to original video. Maybe this isn't much of a problem for you but for me it was. I couldn't fix this with it's proc-amp controls so I kinda gave up using it for every day usage. I still use it for less important captures.
This whole topic is getting me confused, and I just would like to have a solution.
Does anyone have their opinion on what I should get? I know badyu17 suggested the Colossus 1.
Sorry, but I'm still very confused. Hope you guys to help.
Last edited by planesguy2004; 18th Apr 2017 at 15:52.
Learn to do your own research. You don't have to depend on Hauppauge's staff for answers in every case, which is probably a good thing because they aren't always well informed. Read the information the overview tab on the Colossus 2's product page at Hauppauge's website. It says "Includes IR blaster cable. Colossus 2 can automatically change the channel on your set top box."
[Edit] The HD-PVR 2 1512 with the blue lighting includes an IR Receiver/IR Blaster Cable. The "Gaming Edition" version with the green lighting does not. The cable is shown in one of the pictures in on the gallery tab on its product page at the Hauppauge website along with the other stuff in the box.
My guess is there is a remote in the box as well for both the HD-PVR 2 1512 and the Colossus 2, for use with WinTV. If not, then maybe you can get along without it.
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It is that I'm being told different information about these products. The support email/phone tell me one thing , their website tells me another, and you guys tell me something different. I would like to believe everyone on this fourm, because you actually have experience with the product, and don't have a biased manufacturer opinion.
I guess I have to choose now, but I'm still not sure.
What badyu17 told you about the maximum bitrate settings is true, but he's probably using capture software instead of using PVR software to make scheduled recordings. The PVR software you will be using doesn't provide the means to set precise/custom bitrates within the software. PVR software won't give you access to the proc amp controls either. It is possible to edit one of NextPVR's configuration files to change the bit rate settings, but I never found instructions to do the same for Windows Media Center or WinTV. There are no proc amp settings in NextPVR's configuration file.
[Edit 2]I found a video showing what comes with the HD-PVR 2 1512. There was no remote, just the IR receiver/IR blaster cable. If you really want a remote for WinTV, you can buy the remote separately from Hauppauge's web store: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/webstore2/webstore_remote.html
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That's it? How did this saga end?
Don't waste your time with WMC it so flakey it ain't funny with the HD-PVR 2 WMC Plugin that why it not out even out and even older HD-PVR / Colossus has some problem.
Stick with WinTV, SageTV and NextPVR with Colossus 1/2 and HD-PVR 1/2 for the best compatibility
Now as for Colossus 2 it is identical hardware to HD-PVR 2 model 1512 just one small diff in packaging the both doesn't come a remote control that a separate purchase
Last edited by SHS; 28th May 2018 at 21:24.
You need lean RNG110 remote codes in order for MCE to chance channel
May this will help
This may also help with setup eye emitter
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There is no such screen but MCE just list a "Digital Tuner" and never asks to learn the remote.
It looks to me if Colossus insists using its own IR blaster not MCE IR blaster.
The "Use Internal Blaster" setting in Hauppauge Device Central sounded like controlling it but disabling it doesn't change anything to MCE's TV signal setup screen.
Did you install the Hauppauge HD-PVR Plugin click on the tab Media Center from there you fine installation notes and installation package.
Good Luck you going need it
Note: It only works with 1st gen HD-PVR and Colossus not any newer ver like the HD-PVR 2, HD-PVR Rocket, HD-PVR 60 nor Colossus 2 models
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Now I want to not use the IR emitter on Colossus but I want to use the IR control on MCE IR receiver.
I expected turning off the "Use Internal Blaster" illustrated on that page would do the trick but it didn't.
Do you have the MCE IR receiver still hook up ? maybe you unplug that and leave out and start over.
Apparently you have use Hauppauge IR32 and BlastCfg so need that check the Use Internal Blaster for it all work and there still no guarantee it will work because MS has so min change with patch over the years I'm sure it even more broken then before.
If can't you get work why not just get a diff DVR software as that software was just a beta any way and is no longer being support when DVBLink kill it right long with there own product at time.
Sorry I can't test it as I longer have any Windows 7 system lay around
Yes, I used Hauppauge IR32 and BlastCfg for IR blaster on Colossus to work. It's been working fine but IR window on Comcast cable box got scratched and IR signal doesn't seem reaching very well these days. So I want to get rid of the IR blaster on Colossus and replace it with the IR emitter on MCE IR receiver via the direct connection cable which usually_quiet used to have been doing so according to his post few years back.
I'm wondering how usually_quiet made Windows not to recognize Colossus as Digital Tuner so that you can configure MCE to learn IR code from Comcast cable box.
Has anyone experienced probs with the TS files captured by the Colossus 2? I had trouble reading the files into video editing programs such as Vegas Pro 16, VideoRedo, and others. VLC and Windows media center couldn't play them either.
All the caps so far have been DirecTV via HDMI.
At first I used ffmpeg to try to demux the audio/video tracks, then read them separately into Vegas Pro. I could read them OK, but there were huge A/V sync errors.
I used ffmpeg again the to do error checking on the file (the old null output file trick: ffmpeg -v error -i Colossus2_Cap_.TS -f null - 2>error.log). The error log was huge and included messages:
SPS unavailable in decode_picture_timing
non-existing PPS 0 referenced
co located POCs unavailable
error while decoding MB 54 9, bytestream -18
Number of bands (57) exceeds limit (47).
m #0:1: Invalid data found when processing input
channel element 2.14 is not allocated
m #0:1: Invalid data found when processing input
Through ham-fisted trial and error with VideoRedo 5 and TS Doctor 2.1 I found that the only way I could reliably play or edit these files was to first use the "QuickStream" fix in VideoRedo. I can use the resulting .h264 MP4 output from that in the players and Vegas Pro. The VideoRedo log had input file specs and included these errors:
Video resync frames removed: 120
Audio resync frames removed: 202
The only thing I know about these messages from ffmpeg and VideoRedo is that they were reported as errors. Without the VideoRedo Quickstream fix I'd have no idea how to even approach fixing the captured TS files. So far (over a week) Hauppauge support has been silent over the issue.
Anyone else had anything remotely like these problems working with Colossus 2 captured files? Is there maybe a better way to fix the files than Quickstream?
Thanks for your time,
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